Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

I'm just going to assume that you're not deliberately misconstruing my posts. I said "that pretends ALL the interests of the states can be BEST REPRESENTED by its DENSEST POPULATION CENTERS."

Because that's not an answer, that's why. That's a deflection leaning heavily on inuendo, leaving us to interpret your response. Because you seem to have a phobia for clearly answering questions.

If a state has 20 basically urban congressional districts, and 3 basically rural congressional districts, that's still representation. If the 20 can band together to say they don't like the representatives from the other 3 and vote to recall each one over their constituents' protestation, that's a problem for me.

It's fairly telling that you just straight to, "This could be weaponized against rural voters." which perpetuates this weirdo idea that "urban" voters are "out to get" rural voters despite there being no evidence to support such a nonsense assertion. Could such a proposed system be used in bad faith? Sure. But I'm sure we could discuss and come up with some reasonable compromises and safeguards.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Summarily handwaved. Also, Trump royalists do not get to opine about polling numbers, since you do not believe in democracy.

Says the party that didn't even have a primary and tried to install Kamala?

[Edge-]

MAGA congressman shouted down as he tells crowd ‘God has a plan’ for fired federal workers

this is the same thing republicans say when they demand that a minor not be allowed to have an abortion after being raped

it's a completely gross non-answer that just exists to free the person saying it of and responsibility or culpability in the matter. a cowards response

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Says the party that didn't even have a primary and tried to install Kamala?

Bro, this is the Trump thread. If you want to complain about Kamala you're in the wrong place. Surely you know that and this is just like, an automatic reflex or something.

[gondrin]

this is the same thing republicans say when they demand that a minor not be allowed to have an abortion after being raped

it's a completely gross non-answer that just exists to free the person saying it of and responsibility or culpability in the matter. a cowards response

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Bro, this is the Trump thread. If you want to complain about Kamala you're in the wrong place. Surely you know that and this is just like, an automatic reflex or something.

That is why I stopped feeding the sealions. Don't feel like giving out the fish they are claiming they want.

EDIT: I want to add this line from that article:

“We don’t want your God!” a woman is heard screaming from the crowd in response to his remark. “Our God is Christian!” another yelled.

I love it when they point out, directly to their face, that their idea of Christianity literally goes against, well, actual Christianity.

[Kaleredar]

this is the same thing republicans say when they demand that a minor not be allowed to have an abortion after being raped

it's a completely gross non-answer that just exists to free the person saying it of and responsibility or culpability in the matter. a cowards response

And a “Christian” answer should really include the notion that people have free will, people chose to elect trump, trump chose to install the utterly unserious moron Musk as his right-hand man, and musk chose to fire those people.

I.e, Don’t blame God for people’s mess ups. That’s a pretty un-christian thing to do.

But of course we must remember the GOP seem to practice a type of Christianity all their own. “Our rank incompetence destroyed your career? Eh don’t worry, God’s got you! Probably.”

[tehdang]

Because that's not an answer, that's why. That's a deflection leaning heavily on inuendo, leaving us to interpret your response. Because you seem to have a phobia for clearly answering questions.

"You seem to think their votes are worth less" is like you have a triggered reaction to whenever somebody talks about minority representation. Why would you say such a thing? What even drives that?

It's fairly telling that you just straight to, "This could be weaponized against rural voters." which perpetuates this weirdo idea that "urban" voters are "out to get" rural voters despite there being no evidence to support such a nonsense assertion. Could such a proposed system be used in bad faith? Sure. But I'm sure we could discuss and come up with some reasonable compromises and safeguards.

Amazing that a system that could disenfranchise districts that don't include major population centers is criticized for the potential to disenfranchise through major population centers. It's almost like a critique of a proposed new system with a flaw would center around the flaw. But if you're really searching for the most bad faith interpretation of posts, I guess you would arrive at '"out to get" rural voters"

[Xath]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news.

Bird Flu Found in Rats for First Time, USDA Confirms

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It got lost in the mess but Trump has created his own slush fund I mean national sovereign wealth fund, now I bet you anything that this "sovereign" wealth fund will want to buy Trump meme coins.

Yeah I'm aware of that which is why I'm worried as hell with antivax dipshit in charge

[Belize]

"plunging poll numbers"

Wait until bird flu stabilizes, war in Ukraine ends, energy costs come down. You'll pay less and like it!

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...nth-in-office/

Cope harder, this isn't happening, much like infrastructure week never happened.

[Xath]

I'm just going to assume that you're not deliberately misconstruing my posts. I said "that pretends ALL the interests of the states can be BEST REPRESENTED by its DENSEST POPULATION CENTERS." If a state has 20 basically urban congressional districts, and 3 basically rural congressional districts, that's still representation. If the 20 can band together to say they don't like the representatives from the other 3 and vote to recall each one over their constituents' protestation, that's a problem for me. Maybe it also is for you, but I've been wrong to presume a lot of things when it comes to members of this forum.

Considering rural constituencies are voting against themselves 90% of the time as they vote republican yeah the cities would actually do better for them. Was kind of sad but hilarious to see the dems make the Republicans refuse to agree to no tax cuts even for those making 500 million a year. They started at 10 million and went up and every single fucking one of those traitors would rather cut Medicaid than agree to no tax cuts for the ultra wealthy.

[Breccia]

Bro, this is the Trump thread. If you want to complain about Kamala you're in the wrong place. Surely you know that and this is just like, an automatic reflex or something.

That, and it's both an objective falsehood as well as a big difference between "a party of delegates votes on replacement overnight when candidate leaves suddenly" versus "elected man names himself king of entire country". Like, can you imagine thinking those are even in the same ballpark? Or sport? I mean, I get it, if I voted for a dictator and made myself an embarrassment of an American, I'd try "both sides!" too, even with the opposite of evidence.

But, like you said, Trump thread: HHS warns employees that responses to Elon Musk's request may 'be read by malign foreign actors'

"Who are malign foreign actors?"

People not born in this country trying to destroy it.

"...so, Elon Musk?"

Oddly enough, no.

The Department of Health and Human Services sent agency employees an email Monday afternoon warning them that any responses to Elon Musk’s request that they share their accomplishments from the past week might “be read by malign foreign actors.”

Four HHS employees shared the email with NBC News.

“On Saturday, you received an email from [the U.S. Office of Personnel Management] entitled ‘What did you do last week,’” the email, which came from HHS.News@HHS.Gov, began. “The directive stated employees were to submit five bullets detailing their accomplishments in the past week. In discussions with OPM Officials yesterday and today OPM has now rescinded that mandatory requirement.”

"They caved?"

They did. Probably because their inbox was flooded with middle fingers. I personally know they got at least one.

“There is no HHS expectation that HHS employees respond to OPM and there is no impact to your employment with the agency if you choose not to respond,” the email continued. “That said, if you choose to respond, here are the guidelines you should follow.”

The email said employees who wish to respond should keep “a high level of generality and describe your work in a manner to protect sensitive data.”

“Assume that what you write will be read by malign foreign actors and tailor your response accordingly," the email read.

"Isn't that something you could say about any email?"

Interesting theory. Find another article like this one with such a warning.

"Well how would malign foreign actors get it?"

Besides Musk? Well, he's giving it to an AI program, and those things are not, you know, people.

Incidentally, Trump's take on the topic is public.

There was a lot of genius in sending it. If people don’t respond, it’s very possible that there is no such person or they’re not working.

"No such person? He thinks the FBI is staffed with, what, ghosts?"

I mean...that is a word for it, yes. But, no, I think he's senile and retarded, and is just yelling FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD as an excuse to do anything.

[Poopymonster]

"No such person? He thinks the FBI is staffed with, what, ghosts?"

I mean...that is a word for it, yes. But, no, I think he's senile and retarded, and is just yelling FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD as an excuse to do anything.

Close. He wants it filled by ghosts.
Or people who look like ghosts, people in white sheets with pointy hats.
To get rid of people who are afraid of a lowercase t.
HOT SHOWER! HOT SHOWER! HOT SHOWER!

[PhaelixWW]

I think their goal right now is to replace most if not all of the top brass with loyalists, get rid of all the legal advisors (which they have) so that an illegal order will be followed. They don't exactly have the time to undertake a complete overhaul but they probably figure if they replace enough leaders it won't be an issue. The people replacing the "DEI" hires at the pentagon need a waiver because they don't meet the qualifications obviously he just wants good Nazi soldiers.

I get it, but that only goes so far. That might push the boundary of what orders will be accepted, but it's not going to push it all the way to "fire on brown-skinned US citizens because we said so".

And there really aren't that many "good Nazi soldiers" out there. Even a number of racist folk are only "casually" racist and would balk at firing on US citizens, no matter their skin tone. There's a difference between being okay with keeping minorities socially oppressed and being okay with being the one to physically oppress them with violence.

[Breccia]

In the United States," FIRE Chief Counsel Robert Corn-Revere notes in a motion to dismiss Trump's claims against Selzer, "there is no such thing as a claim for 'fraudulent news.' No court in any jurisdiction has ever held such a cause of action might be valid, and few plaintiffs have ever attempted to bring such outlandish claims.

This and more from this legal filing to dismiss Trump's lawsuit against a pollster in Iowa who predicted a Harris victory. Trump is suing her for damages because he says this was consumer fraud and voter suppression.

"Didn't Trump say a bunch of things about how much he would win by?"

Yes. That was not voter suppression either.

Yes, as you can see, Trump is suing on the grounds that "anything I don't like is Fake News". Bad enough as it is, but as Trump is in the WH, it comes with an additional feature: he's violating the First Amendment. There is actually strong precedent against a news organization receiving a penalty because the WH doesn't like it, and that prescedent is "you can't do that".

[Pannonian]

I get it, but that only goes so far. That might push the boundary of what orders will be accepted, but it's not going to push it all the way to "fire on brown-skinned US citizens because we said so".

And there really aren't that many "good Nazi soldiers" out there. Even a number of racist folk are only "casually" racist and would balk at firing on US citizens, no matter their skin tone. There's a difference between being okay with keeping minorities socially oppressed and being okay with being the one to physically oppress them with violence.

Dont underestimate how the normalization of violence can make people loose all empathy. Look at the woman being dragged out of the townhall recently. And for a far more sinister example: Antisemitism and Nazis in the 30s. The same could be said about the casual antisemitism back then, but still the holocaust happened. All it takes is for the "evacuations" to be at night, the centers a bit away from the population centers....

Its easy for people to turn a blind eye - after all... they had it coming anyway...

And you dont need a lot of good Nazi soldiers, only a few organizers and a lot of helping hand that just "follow orders" - especially that last, how many people will flee to that little sentence. "Well, the president ordered us to..."

i'd love to share your optimism, but in my opinion history tells me that people take the easy way out... and standing up is always harder than following orders.

[Somewhatconcerned]

This is fine. @Somewhatconcerned says we're gonna vaccinate all those rodents.

Good thing we don't consume rats.

[Corvus]

By the time you got rod of minorities, females, non-Anglo whites, those from blue states, those that voted democrat (about half the military) and those who stuck by their oathes to the constitution rather than the groppenfuhrer you wouldn't have much of a military left.

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Good thing we don't consume rats.

Have you heard of something called the Black Death? Look up how it spread.

[Edge-]

Good thing we don't consume rats.

Do ya reckon rats have ever been a vector of disease spread throughout history? Or that rats exist in both population centers and areas with high concentrations of livestock?

Third question, did you think at all about this post before making it?

[NED funded]

The focus of the senate was never to protect minority rule. That is just cope republicans made up to justify the fact that their voters are people living in rural areas. If you wanna make an argument that benefits land over people, thats fine but the function of the senate isnt that.

[PhaelixWW]

Dont underestimate how the normalization of violence can make people loose all empathy. Look at the woman being dragged out of the townhall recently.

You're talking about isolated incidents. Not widespread acceptance. It takes a phenomenal amount of time and violence to ramp up to the point we're talking about.

And you dont need a lot of good Nazi soldiers, only a few organizers and a lot of helping hand that just "follow orders" - especially that last, how many people will flee to that little sentence. "Well, the president ordered us to..."

And that can work when you're fighting people from another country, for example. It's another thing entirely when those people are citizens of your own country.

i'd love to share your optimism, but in my opinion history tells me that people take the easy way out... and standing up is always harder than following orders.

It's not optimism, it's realism. Following orders which put you at odds with the vast majority of your fellow countrymen is not "the easy way out".

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Good thing we don't consume rats.

Wow. Of all the dumb statements I've read in the last few years...

[Xath]

You're talking about isolated incidents. Not widespread acceptance. It takes a phenomenal amount of time and violence to ramp up to the point we're talking about.



And that can work when you're fighting people from another country, for example. It's another thing entirely when those people are citizens of your own country.



It's not optimism, it's realism. Following orders which put you at odds with the vast majority of your fellow countrymen is not "the easy way out".

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Wow. Of all the dumb statements I've read in the last few years...

We are talking about someone who still defends not just voting for dump but also his cabinet picks you are expecting rational thought where none exist.