Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[PhaelixWW]

Dont underestimate how the normalization of violence can make people loose all empathy. Look at the woman being dragged out of the townhall recently.

You're talking about isolated incidents. Not widespread acceptance. It takes a phenomenal amount of time and violence to ramp up to the point we're talking about.

And you dont need a lot of good Nazi soldiers, only a few organizers and a lot of helping hand that just "follow orders" - especially that last, how many people will flee to that little sentence. "Well, the president ordered us to..."

And that can work when you're fighting people from another country, for example. It's another thing entirely when those people are citizens of your own country.

i'd love to share your optimism, but in my opinion history tells me that people take the easy way out... and standing up is always harder than following orders.

It's not optimism, it's realism. Following orders which put you at odds with the vast majority of your fellow countrymen is not "the easy way out".

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Good thing we don't consume rats.

Wow. Of all the dumb statements I've read in the last few years...

[Xath]

You're talking about isolated incidents. Not widespread acceptance. It takes a phenomenal amount of time and violence to ramp up to the point we're talking about.



And that can work when you're fighting people from another country, for example. It's another thing entirely when those people are citizens of your own country.



It's not optimism, it's realism. Following orders which put you at odds with the vast majority of your fellow countrymen is not "the easy way out".

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Wow. Of all the dumb statements I've read in the last few years...

We are talking about someone who still defends not just voting for dump but also his cabinet picks you are expecting rational thought where none exist.

[Tech614]

Good thing we don't consume rats.

Consumption isn't the reason to worry about bird flu to begin with holy fuck.

How many people out there aren't properly cooking their chicken and eggs? Very few I'd wager. You don't have to eat a fucking rat for it to pass a virus to you rofl, in fact if you properly cooked a rat it wouldn't matter if it was infected at all. How does science work?!?! Living rats living in the same spaces as humans can pass it to humans. I can't believe it's 2025 and mfers out here really never learned about the black death.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Living rats living in the same spaces as humans can pass it to humans. I can't believe it's 2025 and mfers out here really never learned about the black death.

He'd have been one of the people encouraging the slaughter of more cats.

[david0925]

Trump's a fucking idiot and Republicans care more about having a fancy chair to sit in than actually leading a prosperous country.

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I won't even give Trump the benefit of the doubt on this one; he's not a godly man, money's just made him insulated entirely from consequences and has allowed him to throw his considerable bulk around to bully people into submission. It's all he knows how to do, and his handlers encourage it because they're just using him for their own (also shitty) ends.

Oh I know trump isn't religious. His zealots are though and that's why they keep supporting things that backfire on them or believe in empty promises or ignore science because magic sky person will fix everything.

As much as trump is a threat, these people collectively are just as much because they will vote more Trumps into office as long as you remember to mention Jesus once in a while

[Tech614]

Oh I know trump isn't religious. His zealots are though and that's why they keep supporting things that backfire on them or believe in empty promises or ignore science because magic sky person will fix everything.

As much as trump is a threat, these people collectively are just as much because they will vote more Trumps into office as long as you remember to mention Jesus once in a while

There are a very significant portion of MAGAts that are not religious at all. In fact the bible belt like are only a small portion of his rise to power imo. Even with things like abortion that isn't because of religion, Trump and a lot of others who think like him simply want it banned to infinitely create worker bees to keep the capitalist machine going without needing immigrants(cause like hell do they want more people of color coming into the country).

[postman1782]

"plunging poll numbers"

Wait until bird flu stabilizes, war in Ukraine ends, energy costs come down. You'll pay less and like it!

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...nth-in-office/

I guarantee none of that happens. Not with the way Trump is running things.

[PhaelixWW]

We are talking about someone who still defends not just voting for dump but also his cabinet picks you are expecting rational thought where none exist.

Okay, edgelord.

Less than half the voting population voted for Trump, and assuredly at least some of them didn't even vote for him because they liked him.

And far fewer would be okay with genocide of even parts of the US citizenry.

Also, Hanlon's razor says hi.

[Corvus]

As an indication of just how far and fast the US's stocks in the world have fallen, you just have to look to comments from Germany recently.

You have the former German ambassador to the UK saying that the US has allied itself with the 'evil empire (russia.)

And you have the newly elected conservative Chancellor of Germany saying the US can no longer be relied upon, that Europe may need to forget NATO and forge its own security without US, and that given there is no guarantee that the US would help out in the event of russia launching nukes, that there needs to be talks with France and the Uk about nuclear security for Europe.

Once a conservative German leader would have been seen as a good thing by the republicans but give they have thrown in their lot with the far-right, the CDU is now not right enough for the US. So now there is the situation of russia covertly supporting the far-right across Europe and the US overtly supporting them.

[Bwgmon]

Good thing we don't consume rats.

This might be the most painfully ignorant string of words I've ever seen on a forum. You have to be trolling, right?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Gonna be a long road for me since I haven't seen you do 1 accurately on me as of yet.

I've done many, including saying that Republicans were going to do Project 2025 and many shouted me down for it. When everyone was in high spirits about Harris performing well in the polls and her numbers looking solid, I was raising alarm bells about not only Harris's weird shift to the right and focusing on border security, as well as potential election threats. I was called a doomposter and was told to stop doomposting because everything was going to be fine. You haven't even been in the politics that forum long unless you've been lurking.

And now I'm told I'm doomposting for saying that Trump may very well refuse to leave office.

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And once again, how is Trump going to enforce his will onto the people without causing a civil war with the States that refuse to listen to him?

You and others keep claiming that Trump is going to do something that, for all intents and purposes, doesn't have anything to do with the Federal Government. That is the thing I am bringing up.

Trump can claim he is the King whatever, still doesn't make him one. Trump can claim votes are invalid, still doesn't make it true and unless he uses force as in militarily, he won't get his way(if they even go along with it). If California decides that Trump is basically going to war with them, we are no longer a country. His position is no longer valid. Which means everything he says or does is also invalid and isn't to be listen to in any way.

The US Constitution is what makes the Executive Branch, Congress and SCOTUS along with the lower federal courts a thing. The moment he decides to say the federal government has final say in elections and some of the states tell him to go fuck off and the will of the people of those states will decide what the elections say, and if he decides to send in the military to enforce said thing he declared, is the moment the US devolves into civil war. And yes, California, New York, Illinois, Maine and other states have already stood up to him in one way or another.

I will say stop with the doomerism because that is what Trump, Musk and the rest of them want. I am going to fight back any way I can which is what everyone should do instead of going "Oh my god! It is all over.".

You don't think he's both capable and willing? I'm very well aware that we're headed on the road to civil war. Trump and Elon are going to give this nation a choice in 2028, accept their rule or incite a civil war. That's not doomerism, that's just a fact, and I'm raising that issue now so that in 2028 when it happens and when you guys go "*SHOCKEDPIKACHUFACE* How could this have happened?!" I can point to my "doomposting" yet again.

It's why I said earlier in this thread that the only way to get Trump out of the office this time is a forced removal, and I was met with your own ridiculous arguments over that. The nation is very much split into two ideological factions, that's just a fact, every fascist coup, takeover and point in history sees them divide a country into two factions which always results in some kind of armed conflict, whether a full on war or skirmishes.

Trump is removing all of the top brass in the military and replacing them with loyalists. He's gutting every government agency that's getting in his way. GO READ PROJECT 2025 FOR FUCKS SAKE, don't just say you know what's in it and keep blissfully continuing on. Their plans for a complete take over are all in there, and full control of the federal government along with ending federal elections and securing enduring power is in there. And they're already going in and doing Project 2025 item by item.

And as I said previously, the only language MAGA will understand at this point is violence. Everyone here keeps shouting me down with "But that's illegal, Trump can't do that, that's not allowed!"

It has nothing to do with rules. That is why it makes no sense to keep saying "Trump isn't going to play by the rules". THERE ARE NO RULES FOR HIM TO BREAK HERE AS HE ISN'T PART OF THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE. It would be like him watching a basketball game and then trying to get a result changed because he didn't like the results. All he is, is a bystander in this process in this.

If he were going to decide to cancel elections, HE WOULD HAVE ALREADY TRIED IT AS THERE ARE ELECTIONS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. There are 2 special elections in Florida that are going on right now for US House seats. The vote takes place in April. There are 7 state legislature elections going on in November of this year. Once again, nothing about cancelling them.

Because the Federal Government has nothing to do with them.

Seems you missed the part of project 2025 where they plan to take power away from the house to give it to the executive. Or did you not read Project 2025 like it seems you didn't? House elections won't matter to him for one thing, and for another you saying "He would have tried already" is very wrong, they're still on the steps that involve removing everyone and gutting everything, and they're now starting on the steps of installing loyalists. When the entire federal government is all yes-men for Trump, that's when the rest starts happening.

Again, this is all stuff they said they'd do, or laid out in P2025, can't cancel or ignore elections when there are still people in power who are willing to enforce the laws, which is why the fed is being gutted as we speak.

This isn't doomerism, this is me saying Democrats or some sort of left wing coalition needs to step up and STOP the ongoing process of dismantling our government, because the longer it goes on unopposed (and court cases are not opposition) the harder it will be in the end.

[Tech614]

I've done many, including saying that Republicans were going to do Project 2025 and many shouted me down for it.

Well I wasn't here telling you they weren't going to try and do project 2025 to the full extent they possibly could so have fun telling the guys that did "I told you so". As for anything that I have personally replied to you about, big doubt it ever happens since it's closer to blue anon conspiracy shit than reality.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

This might be the most painfully ignorant string of words I've ever seen on a forum. You have to be trolling, right?

He is, but he's also just bad at it.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Well I wasn't here telling you they weren't going to try and do project 2025 to the full extent they possibly could so have fun telling the guys that did "I told you so". As for anything that I have personally replied to you about, big doubt it ever happens since it's closer to blue anon conspiracy shit than reality.

So no comment about how I brought up Harris had a very good chance of losing when everyone was still sure she'd win? Nothing?

It's wild that people called me Blue Anon for saying Project 2025 was real and was going to happen, I was called Blue Anon and told Project 2025 was nothing more than some fringe project by a group nobody listens to, and now every person who wrote Project 2025 is part of Trump's cabinet. Come on, keep calling me Blue Anon for being correct.

[Kaleredar]

So no comment about how I brought up Harris had a very good chance of losing when everyone was still sure she'd win? Nothing?

It's wild that people called me Blue Anon for saying Project 2025 was real and was going to happen, I was called Blue Anon and told Project 2025 was nothing more than some fringe project by a group nobody listens to, and now every person who wrote Project 2025 is part of Trump's cabinet. Come on, keep calling me Blue Anon for being correct.

The only people saying Trump wasn’t going to try and enact project 2025 were republicans, trying to deflect from the obvious evangelical tint of the election, either because they hoped it wouldn’t happen or because they secretly did but didn’t want to advertise about it. But no democrat or progressive was out here saying “oh don’t worry, Trump wouldn’t do this, because that would be wrong…” anyone paying attention knows better than that. So that’s no grand “revelation.”

The only people really pushing Harris were ones who liked her chances better than Biden’s, and the only real prescient thought anyone could have had regarding Harris’ chances would have been that she wasn’t adequately addressing the economy. Any other “concerns” weren’t really relevant this past election and anyone harping on those other things and now saying how prescient they were was basically “correct” in that they correctly guessed a coin flip.

[Endus]

Says the party that didn't even have a primary

Liar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_D...tial_primaries

You continue to demonstrate a complete lack of shame or basic respect for other forum users.

[Xath]

Okay, edgelord.

Less than half the voting population voted for Trump, and assuredly at least some of them didn't even vote for him because they liked him.

And far fewer would be okay with genocide of even parts of the US citizenry.

Also, Hanlon's razor says hi.

? I was talking about the dude who was downplaying how serious rats being found with bird flu is did you mean to respond to someone else?

[Rasulis]

Tens of thousands we wish according to government data Trump will end up firing 250K employees who are probationary workers. Unfortunately the term probationary is false because if you get a promotion you end up with that status so the department of government embezzlement (DOGE) is firing people with decades of experience as well. There are red state republicans in sheer panic begging Trump to stop president Musk from bankrupting their state due to firings since the federal government is the biggest employer in their state.

This year is looking bad. This is a non-comprehensive list of agencies to receive funding and workforce cuts.

NIH & NSF – scientific and medical research.
HUD – affordable housing, homelessness and disaster recovery. It is confirmed that there will be a 50% workforce cut by May. As much as 80% in the homeless division.
FEMA – disaster response.
US Forest Service – wildland fire fighting and National Park Service.
EPA – self-explanatory.
CDC – health and infectious diseases
USDIA – in addition to foreign aid, the agency is also responsible for dozens of infectious diseases clinical studies. All these studies are now halted.
FDIC – banking and financial.
CFPB – consumer protection and fraud prevention.
FDA – foods, medicine and medical devices for both human and livestock.

All these cuts will lead to a chain reaction. NIH and NSF cuts will lead to staff cuts at research universities. HUD cuts will lead to lay off in the affordable housing construction sector and homeless assistance programs.

Add IRS, NAVFAC and Army Corps.

[PhaelixWW]

So no comment about how I brought up Harris had a very good chance of losing when everyone was still sure she'd win? Nothing?

You are wildly conflating "hope she would win" and even "knew she should win based on merit" with "sure she would win".

The were far more of the former cases than the latter one.

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? I was talking about the dude who was downplaying how serious rats being found with bird flu is did you mean to respond to someone else?

I see my mistake now. I thought you were talking about the first part of that post and trying to say that all Trump voters were automatically genocidal because they were incapable of rational thought.

Like, I think Trump voters are irrational, sure, but it's a spectrum, and "okay with genocide" is pretty extreme.

Your comment makes a lot more sense now. My apologies.


That's also why it's a good idea to delete irrelevant portions of the quote before posting.

[Breccia]

Look, Trump’s defenders say everything he says is a negotiating strategy, including when he says ‘A’ and the next day says ‘Not A’… I think it’s an indication his mind is full of mush and he says whatever comes into it. He believes Vladimir Putin is his friend. And you don’t call your friends ‘dictators.’ He doesn’t like Volodymyr Zelensky. He hasn’t liked him since the ‘perfect phone call‘ of the summer of [2019]. So, it’s no sweat off his back to go ahead and call Zelensky a dictator. This is somebody who is not fit to be president. He can’t tell America’s friends from its enemies.

-- John Bolton
Man Trump hired to work for him on purpose