Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[gondrin]

This is not a thing and I'm not sure where you got this notion from.

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https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-a...d-freeze-judge


@tehdang

by the way, here's what actually ignoring the courts looks like, for example.

Because Donald's White House is continuing to flat-out ignore court orders. They're not looking for lawful avenues to stop the funding in other ways, as you claimed was "defiance", but just continuing to withhold the money the courts said they were lawfully obligated to disburse.

I don't expect much of a response, but feel it important to highlight this distinction for the thread all the same.

This is where the Judges should basically start putting the lawyers in jail for lying in front of the judge and charge them with civil contempt of court and subpoenaing the AG and others to force them to come to court and pretty much do the same to them.

Little fun fact. Even though the US Marshalls are under the authority of the Justice Department, they are required to enforce a judge's ruling so if the Judge tells the bailiff to remand one of them to the local jail, they are required to turn them over to the local authorities and put them in jail.

Granted I see this as a very distant event happening but it is out there.

[Breccia]

Part of me believes this is because someone said “why don’t we eat turkey (bird) eggs?”

Incidentally, "they're thinner and taste weak".

FOX News spreads Musk's propaganda*ding* that judges who interpret the law are the real enemy.

If ANY judge ANYWHERE can block EVERY Presidential order EVERYWHERE, we do NOT have democracy, we have TYRANNY of the JUDICIARY

"Why would a judge block an order?"

Because if it's illegal, that's their job.

Naturally, GOP members are already siding with President Musk.

In response to Musk's post, U.S. Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, said: "Corrupt judges should be impeached. And removed. Pass it on if you agree."

"It's the only way," replied Musk.

"How do you know if a judge is corrupt?"

They ignore the law.

"But you said they were enforcing the law."

Correct. Musk is just butthurt that he can't do whatever he wants with no checks or consequences. He paid good money for that White House.

[postman1782]

Incidentally, "they're thinner and taste weak".

FOX News spreads Musk's propaganda*ding* that judges who interpret the law are the real enemy.



"Why would a judge block an order?"

Because if it's illegal, that's their job.

Naturally, GOP members are already siding with President Musk.



"How do you know if a judge is corrupt?"

They ignore the law.

"But you said they were enforcing the law."

Correct. Musk is just butthurt that he can't do whatever he wants with no checks or consequences. He paid good money for that White House.

Did you see Trump wants to violate a court order and restart the Keystone XL pipeline?

[Breccia]

Did you see Trump wants to violate a court order and restart the Keystone XL pipeline?

Yeah, doesn't that start in Canada? I'm curious where they think that's going to go.

[tehdang]

@tehdang

by the way, here's what actually ignoring the courts looks like, for example.

Because Donald's White House is continuing to flat-out ignore court orders. They're not looking for lawful avenues to stop the funding in other ways, as you claimed was "defiance", but just continuing to withhold the money the courts said they were lawfully obligated to disburse.

I don't expect much of a response, but feel it important to highlight this distinction for the thread all the same.

You may have already read the alternate statutory authority in a different case, which is a matter of record.. This one has been appealed. I'll remind you that some of Biden's unconstitutional acts were appealed up to SCOTUS before reversal. And it may be, like Biden, frozen again under new statutory authority.

You are still a liar. No normal person loves lying as much as you.

I'd settle for correcting your lies about the article you quoted, but apparently even that is setting my expectations too high.

[gondrin]

You may have already read the alternate statutory authority in a different case, which is a matter of record.. This one has been appealed. I'll remind you that some of Biden's unconstitutional acts were appealed up to SCOTUS before reversal. And it may be, like Biden, frozen again under new statutory authority.

I'd settle for correcting your lies about the article you quoted, but apparently even that is setting my expectations too high.

The thing is, only Congress can freeze funds already appropriated. The Executive does not have that authority. If it reaches SCOTUS and they rule the same way and Trump then just ignores their ruling and continues to freeze the funds, what then? What will be the excuse? That he has a right to ignore SCOTUS when in fact the Executive is, according to the Constitution, the weakest of the 3 branches by design. That the Judiciary is the one that determines if a law is Constitutional or not. The Executive branch is only supposed to execute the laws as written, sign or veto any legislation, propose budgets for Congress to go over and pretty much make sure the Departments are doing their job by exercising the laws as written for their specific department. It cannot create laws, it cannot modify or change laws, it cannot determine if a law is unjust or unconstitutional, it cannot stop or withhold any funding appropriated by Congress.

So, what excuse will it be if he ignores SCOTUS? Which he just might. Because at that time, since Congress is about as worthless as ever, we have a literal Constitutional Crisis.

Now, before anyone replies, yes, I know Trump and company are just basically ignoring everything and anything. However, for now, things are playing out in the courts like they are supposed to. I will not go over my feelings about this again as it is tiresome. I need my energy for more important things and planning for future events, regardless of what they may be.

[Xath]

As I said, I could have been reading it wrong.

It looks like there was a $100 billion in cuts to Medicare from last year to this year and around the same amount from Medicaid.

However, Defense got a nice new $100 billion dollar increase from last year to this year.

As I said though, I could easily be reading this wrong because there is no line item to Medicaid, just Health under Energy.

Medicaid and Medicare fall under House Energy and Commerce Committee like 90% of the spending in that section is those two programs which is insanely misleading to the general population. https://www.americanprogress.org/art...onal-district/ it's actually disgusting how blatant this is.

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The thing is, only Congress can freeze funds already appropriated. The Executive does not have that authority. If it reaches SCOTUS and they rule the same way and Trump then just ignores their ruling and continues to freeze the funds, what then? What will be the excuse? That he has a right to ignore SCOTUS when in fact the Executive is, according to the Constitution, the weakest of the 3 branches by design. That the Judiciary is the one that determines if a law is Constitutional or not. The Executive branch is only supposed to execute the laws as written, sign or veto any legislation, propose budgets for Congress to go over and pretty much make sure the Departments are doing their job by exercising the laws as written for their specific department. It cannot create laws, it cannot modify or change laws, it cannot determine if a law is unjust or unconstitutional, it cannot stop or withhold any funding appropriated by Congress.

So, what excuse will it be if he ignores SCOTUS? Which he just might. Because at that time, since Congress is about as worthless as ever, we have a literal Constitutional Crisis.

Now, before anyone replies, yes, I know Trump and company are just basically ignoring everything and anything. However, for now, things are playing out in the courts like they are supposed to. I will not go over my feelings about this again as it is tiresome. I need my energy for more important things and planning for future events, regardless of what they may be.

Scotus is already bought and paid for so he won't have to worry about that.

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You may have already read the alternate statutory authority in a different case, which is a matter of record.. This one has been appealed. I'll remind you that some of Biden's unconstitutional acts were appealed up to SCOTUS before reversal. And it may be, like Biden, frozen again under new statutory authority.

I'd settle for correcting your lies about the article you quoted, but apparently even that is setting my expectations too high.

Biden didn't continue said acts and just ignore judicial rulings he looked for other ways to go about the same goal even though 90% of what was stopped was absolutely in line with the law and certainly more lawful than the currently happening insanity.

[tehdang]

Biden didn't continue said acts and just ignore judicial rulings he looked for other ways to go about the same goal even though 90% of what was stopped was absolutely in line with the law and certainly more lawful than the currently happening insanity.

He announced new and different ways to accomplish his policy goals after each contrary court ruling. I suspect Trump will find a way to do the same, if he doesn't immediately win a sort of stay of the order pending the outcome of the case.

The thing is, only Congress can freeze funds already appropriated. The Executive does not have that authority.

You may be confusing appropriations with grants. The legislature did not appropriate funds directing the President to support DEI programs in Serbia.

If it reaches SCOTUS and they rule the same way and Trump then just ignores their ruling and continues to freeze the funds, what then? What will be the excuse? That he has a right to ignore SCOTUS when in fact the Executive is, according to the Constitution, the weakest of the 3 branches by design. That the Judiciary is the one that determines if a law is Constitutional or not. The Executive branch is only supposed to execute the laws as written, sign or veto any legislation, propose budgets for Congress to go over and pretty much make sure the Departments are doing their job by exercising the laws as written for their specific department. It cannot create laws, it cannot modify or change laws, it cannot determine if a law is unjust or unconstitutional, it cannot stop or withhold any funding appropriated by Congress.

I don't think the Supreme Court is going to let district judges direct the operations of the Executive branch. Right now, they'll appeal the order and seek a higher court's intervention.

And just where are you getting this "the Executive is, according to the Constitution, the weakest of the 3 branches by design?" I think I already covered the rest in my criticism of the executive under Biden, but that one stands out as a very foolish thing to say.

[Endus]

Yeah, doesn't that start in Canada? I'm curious where they think that's going to go.

It'll go right up to the Canada-US border and stand there, empty, forever, because Canada's already abandoned the project and we're currently looking at building an east-west pipeline to get oil to Eastern Canada, either for direct use there or for shipment to Europe. We're writing off the USA; you're just not a trading partner we can reliably invest in because you've chosen to get adversarial and politically abusive. So we'll take our business elsewhere. We're not hurting for markets.

[Xath]

He announced new and different ways to accomplish his policy goals after each contrary court ruling. I suspect Trump will find a way to do the same, if he doesn't immediately win a sort of stay of the order pending the outcome of the case.

You may be confusing appropriations with grants. The legislature did not appropriate funds directing the President to support DEI programs in Serbia.

I don't think the Supreme Court is going to let district judges direct the operations of the Executive branch. Right now, they'll appeal the order and seek a higher court's intervention.

And just where are you getting this "the Executive is, according to the Constitution, the weakest of the 3 branches by design?" I think I already covered the rest in my criticism of the executive under Biden, but that one stands out as a very foolish thing to say.

Trump is literally ignoring court orders these are not the same thing stop sanewashing this insanity and pull your head out of the ground.

[fwc577]

Not super worried about the budget, Trump will likely get his first term tax cuts extended which is bad but it's not going to be a horrific as that proposal as they literally need every republican minus 1 to vote with it, and there are a small minority that are not going to vote to kill their constituents(there is already 2 on the record saying they won't vote for it). They would need a far bigger majority to pass something as horrific as the original proposal.

I do see a lot of protests this summer however, so I agree there.

LOL. This aged like milk sitting in the hot sun.

[Blur4stuff]

If they go through with massive cuts to Medicaid/Medicare/SNAP it will cause millions of Americans to suffer and some to die.

I know republicans don't particularly care about democrats and if they get hurt, but they absolutely know that many of these millions include their own voters. That's the only thing that can possibly keep this from happening.

[Rasulis]

The US consumes about 250 million eggs a day.

Turkiye produces about 56 million eggs a day.


And the Turks aren't going to send anywhere near all their eggs as they need them for their own internal consumption. Plus the logistics of shipping that many eggs overseas has got to be huge. Its not going to make much, if any difference, to egg prices.

It doesn't look like egg prices will go down anytime soon. Partly because the largest egg producer in the US is putting a lid on the size of their flocks. Instead of reinvesting their 273% profit margin into rebuilding their flocks, Cal-Maine is using it to acquire its competitions.

That's capitalism for you.

[Edge-]

It doesn't look like egg prices will go down anytime soon. Partly because the largest egg producer in the US is putting a lid on the size of their flocks. Instead of reinvesting their 273% profit margin into rebuilding their flocks, Cal-Maine is using it to acquire its competitions.

That's capitalism for you.

It's like giving corporations a ton of money expecting them to invest in their work force and then being shocked they just bought back stock.

[Moralgy]

If they go through with massive cuts to Medicaid/Medicare/SNAP it will cause millions of Americans to suffer and some to die.

I know republicans don't particularly care about democrats and if they get hurt, but they absolutely know that many of these millions include their own voters. That's the only thing that can possibly keep this from happening.

F in chat for those that voted for this, hope they suffer every second of the pain they decided was the right direction for America. Sorry to those that did not. A large portion of the area i live in only survives based on handouts from the government, and they all voted for Trump by about a 95% margin. It is wild to me that these people just voted to kill theirself. Guess they just gotta pull theirself up by their bootstraps and deal with it... j/k they will blame democrats for the rest of their lives somehow.

[Xath]

F in chat for those that voted for this, hope they suffer every second of the pain they decided was the right direction for America. Sorry to those that did not. A large portion of the area i live in only survives based on handouts from the government, and they all voted for Trump by about a 95% margin. It is wild to me that these people just voted to kill theirself. Guess they just gotta pull theirself up by their bootstraps and deal with it... j/k they will blame democrats for the rest of their lives somehow.

Because it's a cult and many of these people have basically been programmed for 30 plus years by faux and it's only gotten worse with the new networks.

[Cthulhu 2020]

You are still a liar. No normal person loves lying as much as you.


Republicans just voted to take most of a trillion dollars away from poor people's health care and give it to rich people.

Trump has endorsed the House budget, what he calls "one big, beautiful bill".

liars can go eat shit.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This forum two days ago: "Republicans would never gut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and SNAP, that would be super unpopular among their supporters!"

Not super worried about the budget, Trump will likely get his first term tax cuts extended which is bad but it's not going to be a horrific as that proposal as they literally need every republican minus 1 to vote with it, and there are a small minority that are not going to vote to kill their constituents(there is already 2 on the record saying they won't vote for it). They would need a far bigger majority to pass something as horrific as the original proposal.

I do see a lot of protests this summer however, so I agree there.

Me: "No trust me, they'll pass it"

I hate always being right about this shit.

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It'll go right up to the Canada-US border and stand there, empty, forever, because Canada's already abandoned the project and we're currently looking at building an east-west pipeline to get oil to Eastern Canada, either for direct use there or for shipment to Europe. We're writing off the USA; you're just not a trading partner we can reliably invest in because you've chosen to get adversarial and politically abusive. So we'll take our business elsewhere. We're not hurting for markets.

As Canada should. You guys will also probably get a lot of US refugees when this country slowly turns into Gilead.

[Xyonai]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This forum two days ago: "Republicans would never gut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and SNAP, that would be super unpopular among their supporters!"



Me: "No trust me, they'll pass it"

I hate always being right about this shit.

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As Canada should. You guys will also probably get a lot of US refugees when this country slowly turns into Gilead.

I'll freely admit I didn't think they'd -all- cave on this one, all things considered. Shitheads must be incredibly confident in never losing power ever again.

[fwc577]

I'll freely admit I didn't think they'd -all- cave on this one, all things considered. Shitheads must be incredibly confident in never losing power ever again.

Nah. I think because of DOGE they all pretty much realize they're toast in 2026 anyways.

[Xyonai]

Nah. I think because of DOGE they all pretty much realize they're toast in 2026 anyways.

Which would make them appear extra spineless if they voted on a seriously unpopular piece of legislation because 'well we're cooked anyway, might as well double down on being shitty'.

Though Dems getting bamboozled into leaving is also kind of goofy; like not a one of them expected Republicans to pull this kind of stunt?