Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Elenos]

Do tell us what did Zelenky do wrong? Personally I would've punched both of those cunts teeth in, so he handled it with the best composure one could muster when confronted by cunts like that.

I suggest you watch the whole thing, not just the shouting match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pxbGjvcdyY

[zorkuus]

I suggest you watch the whole thing, not just the shouting match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pxbGjvcdyY

I have watched it. EXPLAIN IT TO US. Explain your reasoning.

[PosPosPos]

I have watched it. EXPLAIN IT TO US. Explain your reasoning.

The reasoning is, Trump and her cronies are overgrown babies that throw a tantrum when they are told bitter truths.

Zelensky should have known this, and treated them like the infantile creatures they are with kid gloves.

[zorkuus]

The reasoning is, Trump and her cronies are overgrown babies that throw a tantrum when they are told bitter truths.

Zelensky should have known this, and treated them like the infantile creatures they are with kid gloves.

I'm afraid it goes beoynd that. He and his ilk are expecting Zelensky to just swallow russian talking points coming from the mouth of the sweaty orange clown and his little eyeliner minion without a retort.

[Elenos]

I have watched it. EXPLAIN IT TO US. Explain your reasoning.

The one cardinal rule of dealing with Trump that every single country has learned, some the hard way: is you never, ever do something to provoke him, especially not in front of the cameras: Because Trump cares a great deal about that.

He's also unpredictable. He'll be best friends with you one day and then throw you into the pit the next.

Then Zelensky decided to lecture Vance on Putin and diplomacy after Vance talked about diplomacy and Biden's failure. Then after Vance replied Zelensky accused him of not having visited Ukraine and not knowing what is going on AND he went even further saying the US doesn't feel the problems because it has a big ocean.

To be sure Vance escalated and even instigated the whole thing, Trump basically stepped in to support his VP, as virtually all political leaders would do.

But Zelensky and Trump? They are not equals: The US sure as hell doesn't depend on Ukraine whereas Ukraine does depend a lot on the US and Trump knows this. So he sure as hell wouldn't react differently.

I'm afraid it goes beoynd that. He and his ilk are expecting Zelensky to just swallow russian talking points coming from the mouth of the sweaty orange clown and his little eyeliner minion without a retort.

Is Zelensky arguing on a forum or is he trying to negotiate a deal with Trump which requires to be on Trump's good side and need Trump to do it.

Zelensky wasn't in a position to argue with Trump or Vance. He did, and it went as well as anyone could have expected in the Oval Office.

[Gabriel]

The one cardinal rule of dealing with Trump that every single country has learned, some the hard way: is you never, ever do something to provoke him, especially not in front of the cameras: Because Trump cares a great deal about that.

He's also unpredictable. He'll be best friends with you one day and then throw you into the pit the next.

Then Zelensky decided to lecture Vance on Putin and diplomacy after Vance talked about diplomacy and Biden's failure. Then after Vance replied Zelensky accused him of not having visited Ukraine and not knowing what is going on AND he went even further saying the US doesn't feel the problems because it has a big ocean.

To be sure Vance escalated and even instigated the whole thing, Trump basically stepped in to support his VP, as virtually all political leaders would do.

But Zelensky and Trump? They are not equals: The US sure as hell doesn't depend on Ukraine whereas Ukraine does depend a lot on the US and Trump knows this. So he sure as hell wouldn't react differently.



Is Zelensky arguing on a forum or is he trying to negotiate a deal with Trump which requires to be on Trump's good side and need Trump to do it.

Zelensky wasn't in a position to argue with Trump or Vance.

Two presidents are not equals?

[Elenos]

Two presidents are not equals?

For Donald Trump?

Do I really need to answer that question. You know damned well how he views that.

But no the president of the US is not equal to the president of Ukraine. One is a military and economic superpower the other one is a bankrupt country that is heavily dependent on outside aid.

They are not equals. The only one who would qualify as an equal would be Xi Jinping and certainly not in the Oval Office.

[Nymrohd]

The one cardinal rule of dealing with Trump that every single country has learned, some the hard way: is you never, ever do something to provoke him, especially not in front of the cameras: Because Trump cares a great deal about that.

He's also unpredictable. He'll be best friends with you one day and then throw you into the pit the next.

Then Zelensky decided to lecture Vance on Putin and diplomacy after Vance talked about diplomacy and Biden's failure. Then after Vance replied Zelensky accused him of not having visited Ukraine and not knowing what is going on AND he went even further saying the US doesn't feel the problems because it has a big ocean.

To be sure Vance escalated and even instigated the whole thing, Trump basically stepped in to support his VP, as virtually all political leaders would do.

But Zelensky and Trump? They are not equals: The US sure as hell doesn't depend on Ukraine whereas Ukraine does depend a lot on the US and Trump knows this. So he sure as hell wouldn't react differently.



Is Zelensky arguing on a forum or is he trying to negotiate a deal with Trump which requires to be on Trump's good side and need Trump to do it.

Zelensky wasn't in a position to argue with Trump or Vance. He did, and it went as well as anyone could have expected in the Oval Office.

None of us were in that room. I think Zelensky knew there was no actual discussion to be had and just decided to pick his battle. I don't think there was ever going to be a different response from Trump and his team. So Zelensky was not actually doing diplomacy with the US, he was there to prove sympathetic to other allies

[Draco-Onis]

The one cardinal rule of dealing with Trump that every single country has learned, some the hard way: is you never, ever do something to provoke him, especially not in front of the cameras: Because Trump cares a great deal about that.

He's also unpredictable. He'll be best friends with you one day and then throw you into the pit the next.

Then Zelensky decided to lecture Vance on Putin and diplomacy after Vance talked about diplomacy and Biden's failure. Then after Vance replied Zelensky accused him of not having visited Ukraine and not knowing what is going on AND he went even further saying the US doesn't feel the problems because it has a big ocean.

To be sure Vance escalated and even instigated the whole thing, Trump basically stepped in to support his VP, as virtually all political leaders would do.

But Zelensky and Trump? They are not equals: The US sure as hell doesn't depend on Ukraine whereas Ukraine does depend a lot on the US and Trump knows this. So he sure as hell wouldn't react differently.



Is Zelensky arguing on a forum or is he trying to negotiate a deal with Trump which requires to be on Trump's good side and need Trump to do it.

Zelensky wasn't in a position to argue with Trump or Vance. He did, and it went as well as anyone could have expected in the Oval Office.

Trump is predictable you just predicted his reaction what you mean to say is unstable. Your theory only works if you ignore every move Trump has made towards Russia and every awful thing he has done towards Ukraine since taking office. Even if he bowed down and played meek the bullying would have continued by JD and he would have lost his people. At that point his presidency would be worthless and so would everything he signed. He was between a rock and a hard place, it's also no coincidence that Russian media was in the room.

This was a set up, anyone who thinks there was a good out is delusional.

[Timester]

I suggest you watch the whole thing, not just the shouting match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pxbGjvcdyY

Have you watched it? Did you failed to understand that it was Salacious B. Vance that fucked the entire thing up?

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For Donald Trump?

Do I really need to answer that question. You know damned well how he views that.

But no the president of the US is not equal to the president of Ukraine. One is a military and economic superpower the other one is a bankrupt country that is heavily dependent on outside aid.

They are not equals. The only one who would qualify as an equal would be Xi Jinping and certainly not in the Oval Office.

And that's where you fail to understand. Nation leaders are equal diplomatically. Diplomacy isn't bullying because we have the bigger stick.

[PosPosPos]

For Donald Trump?

Do I really need to answer that question. You know damned well how he views that.

But no the president of the US is not equal to the president of Ukraine. One is a military and economic superpower the other one is a bankrupt country that is heavily dependent on outside aid.

They are not equals. The only one who would qualify as an equal would be Xi Jinping and certainly not in the Oval Office.

You really suck at being devil's advocate - you were supposed to sell the idea that the devils in question weren't as bad as we think they were, and not prove that we were entirely justified in treating them as villains.

[Nymrohd]

Have you watched it? Did you failed to understand that it was Salacious B. Vance that fucked the entire thing up?

Or that was always the intent. Why are you ever assuming that this meeting was in good faith?

[Timester]

Or that was always the intent. Why are you ever assuming that this meeting was in good faith?

Trump's intention? I actually believe it wasn't the intent, as he is senile (just look how he was the entire video) and wants to win the Nobel Peace Prize.

JD Vance, absolutely.

[Breccia]

In the ongoing effort to prove what this is about, Musk goes after yet another large government contract by lying, gets called out for lying, goes after contract anyhow.

Billionaire presidential adviser Elon Musk on Thursday falsely accused Verizon, a rival contractor of his SpaceX Starlink system, of putting U.S. air safety at risk through a communications system that is actually operated by L3Harris.

Musk admitted that he made a mistake when he said Verizon operated the Federal Aviation Administration's communications system.

"Correction: the ancient system that is rapidly declining in capability was made (by) L3Harris. The new system that is not yet operational is from Verizon," Musk posted on social media.

Verizon, which operates the largest U.S. wireless network, rejected Musk's initial accusation with a statement that it has only begun work on the system.

"The FAA assessment is single digit months to catastrophic failure, putting air traveler safety at serious risk," Musk said in his original post.

Verizon replied: "To be clear, the FAA systems currently in place are run by L3Harris and not Verizon. We are at the beginning of a multi-year contract to replace antiquated, legacy systems. Our teams have been working with the FAA's technology teams and our solution stands ready to be deployed."

On Wednesday, the Washington Post reported that the FAA was close to canceling a $2.4 billion 15-year contract awarded to Verizon in 2023 to overhaul a communications system, and awarding the work to Musk's Starlink. The FAA said it has not made any decision on the contract.

Incidentally, if the FAA was really single-digit months from failure, why would you fire everyone?

[Gabriel]

For Donald Trump?

Do I really need to answer that question. You know damned well how he views that.

But no the president of the US is not equal to the president of Ukraine. One is a military and economic superpower the other one is a bankrupt country that is heavily dependent on outside aid.

They are not equals. The only one who would qualify as an equal would be Xi Jinping and certainly not in the Oval Office.

A completely dogshit opinion.

The heads of state are equal to each other, even if the countries they represent are not.

[Corvus]

For Donald Trump?

Do I really need to answer that question. You know damned well how he views that.

But no the president of the US is not equal to the president of Ukraine. One is a military and economic superpower the other one is a bankrupt country that is heavily dependent on outside aid.

They are not equals. The only one who would qualify as an equal would be Xi Jinping and certainly not in the Oval Office.

Trump has publicly kowtowed to a number of foreign leaders while president, so are you happy to admit, like Trump, that the US president is actually inferior to them?

[Draco-Onis]

In the ongoing effort to prove what this is about, Musk goes after yet another large government contract by lying, gets called out for lying, goes after contract anyhow.



Incidentally, if the FAA was really single-digit months from failure, why would you fire everyone?

The next step is obvious force the treasury to process all payments using his shitty payment processing service for a "small fee". President Musk plan to loot the US government is going on schedule, Tesla's board members including his brother dumped a lot of stock. They no longer care about Tesla and are fully onboard with being the biggest welfare queens in history to become trillionaires.

[Wilian]

For Donald Trump?

Do I really need to answer that question. You know damned well how he views that.

But no the president of the US is not equal to the president of Ukraine. One is a military and economic superpower the other one is a bankrupt country that is heavily dependent on outside aid.

They are not equals. The only one who would qualify as an equal would be Xi Jinping and certainly not in the Oval Office.

Trump seems just fine kneeling before his bosses Putin and Kim and about any dictator he aspires to be.

[Breccia]

Trump orders IRS employees to return to the workplace, even those who now live 50+ miles from it, and “including members of a bargaining unit.”

"So, he's just ignoring a union contract?"

Yes.

"Isn't firing the IRS during tax season a really bad idea?"

It's a great idea, if you want to destroy the IRS, cripple federal income, and crash the government.

[diller]

Whether or not it was instigated by Trump or more likely Vance I think Zelensky fucked it hard.

You are full of shit, what exactly did he do wrong?