Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Polgara]

Do... Do we really need to go back through people trying to defend rape? I'd really appreciate if we could. . . not? Please?

[s_bushido]

Do... Do we really need to go back through people trying to defend rape? I'd really appreciate if we could. . . not? Please?

We have a rapist president. Yes.

[Nymrohd]

a new york judge said it was substantially true. does that mean anything a judge who votes democrat and hates Trump says is factually true? Can you link anything with factually true information or just a judge saying substantially?




The irony here is hilarious. Endus posts something he cannot verify to be factually true, just a judge bloviating. Then cthulhu says that fact checking doesnt matter anymore. Except on this board where everything has to be fact proven. Unless endus says 1000% that substantialy means absolute fact.

A judge making a judgment from the bench where they have jurisdiction is the actual measure of fact in a common law country

[Shadowferal]

Well, Out-of-date polls to wrong aid amounts: factchecking Trump’s Congress address

MAGA will be citing that one old poll for months to come.

[gondrin]

https://www.grocerydoppio.com/articl...ption%20alone.

Somewhat Concerned is one of the last people I would ever want to defend, but you are wrong about this. That 15% of operating costs mentioned in this article doesn't even account for the energy involved in transportation or food production. Energy prices and food costs are deeply entwined. Just as an example, the largest consumer of electricity in the state of Florida is a grocery store, and again that is just in electricity for their facilities and stores, so not accounting for their fuel costs or the energy costs of their suppliers. At other retailers that don't sell products out of giant refrigerators and freezers, it might be different, but grocers use a ton of energy.

I work in grocery. I see the costs. I see the margins and pretty much everything else in between. We pay, between fuel and other energy costs, less than 3% of our actual costs towards energy(I will revise what I said earlier as I was going off older data in my company). That is for refrigeration, electricity for running the cold cases such as dairy coolers, meat cases, freezers and pretty much anything else that needs refrigeration/freezing, along with the general electricity usage for the store. The specific store I work for, pays on average, about $20k per month on actual energy costs. Companywide, it is about $300k or so. Sounds like a lot but I work in the smallest store in the company and the average daily sales between all the stores, at this time of year, is about $45k per store(14 stores/$630k average daily sales for the entire company) and we are not a high volume company like Walmart or Costco. Basically, 1/2 of the sales in one day can cover energy costs of the entire month for the entire company. The VAST majority of what someone spends on a good literally comes from the manufacturer OR distributor(depending on if they are direct ship or use a 3rd party distributor). For the companies that I work or have worked for, that translates to about 60 - 80% of what you spend at the store, or $0.60 - 0.80 per dollar the customer spends goes right out the door for the good that they are buying. The only goods that have higher margins are stuff that is made in store which typically is about a $0.30 - $0.50 per dollar the customer spends on something.

However, this is just for the company I work for. Maybe energy costs are higher at a lower volume bodega or some other convenience type store where they don't have a major amount of food traffic.

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The word you are looking for is allegedly. It seems civility has been thrown out the window.

There is no "allegedly". He was found guilty, by a jury of his peers, of a felony act. That makes him a felon. He was also found guilty of sexually assaulting that was so similar to what people would call rape that even a jury convicted him on that. So no, he is a rapist and a felon.

[En Sabah Nur]

Trump and Republicans do nothing but make an absolute mockery of the country, and even their voters. That one dude railing about how Dems have no spine never looked at the Republican party lol I miss when the country at least existed in reality, not this circus of seals clapping whenever the ringmaster says something.

Meh, estimates are coming in at only an extra $2000 year cost per household.

I swear this number changes each time you write it.

Don't root against America.

I think you should have a word with Republicans on this front. They seem to be doing all they can do make the country worse.

The plan is that every American gets their own chickens so they can have cheap eggs ignoring the you know bird flu spreading.

Hilariously, there has already been news of some of these much smaller, more personal "farms" having to be shut down because of avian flu, so even that doesn't work lol

Where's the lie?

Man, you are really bad at this schtick. At this point, it might be worth going back to pretending to be a Democrat. It wasn't very convincing, but you at least had to restrain the outright stupidity a bit.

[Breccia]

And he is still harping on about Greenland while the seals clap.

He is. People who said he wasn't serious were lying, desperate to conceal the fact they voted for this on purpose.

Farmers Fear More Pain From Trump’s Trade War

It’s been a difficult three years for American farmers. Costs of everything from gasoline to feed to equipment have risen, while most crop prices have fallen. Now many farmers say they worry President Donald Trump’s incipient trade war will make things even tougher.

“He’s out there with his wrecking ball just throwing tariffs around,” says Barb Kalbach, a fourth-generation corn and soybean farmer in Dexter, Iowa.

Trump’s 25% tariffs on goods from Canada and Mexico went into effect Tuesday, and the President doubled the levy on products from China to 20%. China retaliated with taxes of up to 15% on U.S. farm imports, while both Canada and Mexico announced retaliatory tariffs of their own. Canada’s 25% tariffs on $30 billion of U.S. products affect poultry, meat, dairy, wheat, and other food products.

Farmers know from experience that these retaliatory tariffs are going to hurt them. When Trump launched a trade war against China in 2018, Beijing responded with tariffs aimed at the U.S. farm industry. Exports fell as Chinese buyers looked to places like Brazil for soybeans, reducing the market share of American farmers. Farmers were hit so hard that the Trump Administration ended up spending $23 billion to make them whole.

“Agriculture took the brunt of retaliatory tariffs by China last time, and certainly agriculture is going to be the main target of today’s retaliatory strikes,” says Marc Busch, a professor at Georgetown’s School of Foreign Service who studies trade. This time, it’s not just China retaliating, but also Mexico and Canada, two of America's top trade partners. “The expectation among ag stakeholders is that it will only be worse this time,” Busch says.

Kalbach, the Iowa farmer, fears the newest tariffs will only make it harder to export her products. “This is just going to take parts of our markets away,” she says.

In the last trade war, around 80% of the money the U.S. government took in from tariffs on Chinese imports went back to paying farmers who were hurt by retaliatory tariffs, Busch says. Such payments keep farms afloat, but what will really boost the agriculture industry is to find new markets, says Clark Packard, a research fellow at the Cato Institute. “It’s a question of whether we want welfare payments or whether we want to actually make sales,” Packard says. “We are getting back into this business of doling out more and more payments to the agricultural industry.”

I like that bolded part. Last time, Trump took most of the money of his tax hike on Americans and gave it to the farmers hurt by the tax hike he put on Americans. Not, for example, going after fentanyl, which Trump said was the point (he lied, but he did say it) and not balancing the budget. He just paid farmers to not make sales, instead of, you know, letting farmers make sales.

From what we've seen this year, I don't expect that to happen again. Team Trump has been yelling "fraud and waste" a lot, and paying farmers to not grow anything seems like something they'd declare qualified. But more importantly, the current budget plan being discussed has two trillion in undisclosed spending cuts. And they keep saying "no no, it won't be cuts to Medicare, Medicaide, or Social Security". So...yeah, that doesn't leave a whole lot, does it?

According to the American Farm Bureau Federation, U.S. farmers have lost money on “almost every major crop planted” in the last three years. “Adding even more costs and reducing markets for American agricultural goods,” federation president Zippy Duvall said in a statement, “could create an economic burden some farmers may not be able to bear.”

Farmers say that limiting sales to domestic markets would hinder their businesses and lower prices. The U.S. exported $83 billion in agricultural products to Canada, China, and Mexico last year, according to the farm bureau.

“We’re really good at raising healthy, safe, and cost-effective food to the point that we produce way more than this country needs,” says Chad Franke, the president of Rocky Mountain Farmers’ Union, which represents 14,000 farmers across Colorado, Wyoming, and Mexico. “To say that we’re just going to sell it domestically is like saying you should put 20 gallons of gas in your 15 gallon gas tank.”

I wonder how those faces taste?

Farmers, in particular, should have seen this coming. It happened before, by the same person, for the same reason, and they voted for him again.

Take the dairy industry. About 20% of U.S. milk production is exported annually, with about 40% of that going to Canada, Mexico, and China, according to Chuck Nicholson, an associate professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. If the domestic dairy industry gets only a little more milk than traders were expecting, prices drop as a result, Nicholson says. So if the dairy industry started trying to sell that 20% domestically instead of exporting it, prices would plummet, making it difficult for farmers to continue to operate.

Already, Trump Administration policies are giving dairy farmers a headache, Nicholson adds, from immigration crackdowns to potential cuts to government programs such as food stamps, which contribute to demand for domestic dairy products. Farmers are uncertain about what markets will still want farmers’ products, whether the federal staffers they work with on a daily basis will still be there the next day, how much farm equipment and gas are going to cost, and how much they’ll be able to sell their crops for.

"Hey Breccia, what's that about farming equipment?"

Oh, right. Do you know how much farming equipment, like shovels and tractors, are made of steel? Not only is Trump trying to tank produce prices on purpose, he's also making raising the product/produce itself more expensive.

"But hey, when we conquer Greenland against their will, they won't be part of the tariffs, right? Surely they'll buy that extra 20%, right?"

The population of Greenland is roughly the same of Hoboken, New Jersey.

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I think you should have a word with Republicans on this front.

Hey, did you see the response to Trump's speech by the MAGA group Federation of American Immigration Reform, "reform" meaning what you expect it to from MAGA?

Unfortunately, in the same speech in which he spoke about restoring meritocracy in America, the president introduced the idea of selling U.S. citizenship to foreign nationals under a plan he calls the Gold Card. Rather than a plan to allow people to buy their way into our country, the president should put forward a long overdue proposal to reform our legal immigration system that selects new immigrants based on merit, not money.

Yeah, even racists yelling things like "Mexican rapists" have come to realize Trump is not working for their best interests. How bad is that, that Trump is no longer supporting his own racists?

[Somewhatconcerned]

A large majority liked the speech.

Blue wave by 2040....maybe?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...ess-poll-2025/

[PhaelixWW]

A large majority liked the speech.

Blue wave by 2040....maybe?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...ess-poll-2025/

From your link:



Subpar trolling technique, man.

[david0925]

You know what kind of people watch it when 74% calls a state of the union address entertaining

Yes the same kind of people that don't care about the world burning as long as it's not burning their house, which is ironically about to catch fire very soon

[Mekh]

You know what kind of people watch it when 74% calls a state of the union address entertaining

Yes the same kind of people that don't care about the world burning as long as it's not burning their house, which is ironically about to catch fire very soon

My favorite part was when he used the dead girls and the cancer boy as political props.

[Breccia]

Subpar trolling technique, man.

This just in: Philadelphia Eagles fans liked it when the Philadelphia Eagles won the Super Bowl. Film at 11.

The responses question by question alone demonstrate the people watching it were divested from reality. Trump describing crime "about how it is"? He constantly makes shit up about roving gangs of illegal immigrants raping nuns. Violent crime is on the downswing, thanks Biden, and even Trump knows it.

[fwc577]

A large majority liked the speech.

Blue wave by 2040....maybe?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...ess-poll-2025/

If people voted based on this speech, it would be a Republican wipeout in 2026.

51% of Republicans approve? Dude had like 95% approval of Republican voters pre-election.

27% of Independents is Abysmal.

I don't for a second believe there are 20% of Democrats, those are Republican-trolls pretending to be Democrats for a poll.

So give him 71% of Republicans and 27% of Independents and Republicans are poised for a shellacking in 2026 considering they couldn't even capture half the vote in 2024.

[Breccia]

I don't for a second believe there are 20% of Democrats, those are Republican-trolls pretending to be Democrats for a poll.

Especially when you look at the remaining questions. He would need 100% of GOP voters, and 100% of Indy's, and then some Democrats.

I think the real results we're looking for are best found on 538 as per usual.

As of March 4, the rolling average of polls puts Trump negative already. Started +8.2%, is now -0.3% six weeks later.

By the way, this likely hasn't taken into consideration the stock market crash he directly caused in the last two days.

[PhaelixWW]

This just in: Philadelphia Eagles fans liked it when the Philadelphia Eagles won the Super Bowl. Film at 11.

Looking at the CBS polls for some of Trump's past SotU speeches, it looks like it's pretty much always the same approval rate, but this time it had a substantially more lopsided partisan breakdown.

2025: 76% on +31% viewership bias (51% R / 20% D).
2019: 76% on +19% viewership bias (43% R / 24% D).
2018: 75% on +17% viewership bias (42% R / 25% D).

It's actually sad that he didn't get a better approval rating than that.

[Endus]

a new york judge said it was substantially true. does that mean anything a judge who votes democrat and hates Trump says is factually true? Can you link anything with factually true information or just a judge saying substantially?

Your inability to recognize truth because of blind partisanship is noted, but does not constitute any kind of legitimate argument or response.

What I linked was factually true information. You're just refusing to believe it because you're in a cult.

The irony here is hilarious. Endus posts something he cannot verify to be factually true, just a judge bloviating. Then cthulhu says that fact checking doesnt matter anymore. Except on this board where everything has to be fact proven. Unless endus says 1000% that substantialy means absolute fact.

You not understanding what "substantially" means isn't actually a me problem.

[PhaelixWW]

If people voted based on this speech, it would be a Republican wipeout in 2026.

51% of Republicans approve? Dude had like 95% approval of Republican voters pre-election.

27% of Independents is Abysmal.

I don't for a second believe there are 20% of Democrats, those are Republican-trolls pretending to be Democrats for a poll.

So give him 71% of Republicans and 27% of Independents and Republicans are poised for a shellacking in 2026 considering they couldn't even capture half the vote in 2024.

Those numbers are viewership demographics, not approval percentages. They only give a total approval percentage of 76%, not a breakdown by party identification.

[Draco-Onis]

My favorite part was when he used the dead girls and the cancer boy as political props.

I think nothing more shows the MAGA cult than Trump saying that he believes "god" saved him that day and the family of the guy who died that day cheering. I mean what the actual fuck, "god" decided your husband / father had to die to save him and you cheer. These people are fucking insane and deserve what he is doing to them.

[Xath]

Especially when you look at the remaining questions. He would need 100% of GOP voters, and 100% of Indy's, and then some Democrats.

I think the real results we're looking for are best found on 538 as per usual.

As of March 4, the rolling average of polls puts Trump negative already. Started +8.2%, is now -0.3% six weeks later.

By the way, this likely hasn't taken into consideration the stock market crash he directly caused in the last two days.

538 is also being axed this is probably one of their last posts.

[Breccia]

It's actually sad that he didn't get a better approval rating than that.

Actually yeah, that's a good point. That does fit in with far more reasonable polls showing he's losing support with the faceless GOP members who voted for him on purpose.