Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[NED funded]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...436.44.5_3.pdf

The attorney from one of the immigrants speaks out.

Basically, the guy was a soccer player and soccer coach in Venezuela. There are no criminal records and he presented himself voluntarily to immigration authorities in order to apply for refugee status with a pending hearing in April. There is no evidence that he is a criminal or that he belongs to a gang except a tattoo that depicts a soccer ball with the word god written on top. This person has never been a resident of El Salvador, he has no ties to that country and yet the administration made an agreement to send him there. I would focus on the cruelty of the punishment but you could at least defend that IF HE WAS FOUND GUILTY OF ANYTHING!!!!

Not only that but if the Trump admin wanted to deport him, they could have simply waited until April where a judge would have determined if his assylum claim had any legs to it. If he had an invalid asylum claim then go ahead and deported, if he had a valid asylum claim then Trump is literally turning its back on victims of socialist opression.

[Lynarii]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...436.44.5_3.pdf

The attorney from one of the immigrants speaks out.

Basically, the guy was a soccer player and soccer coach in Venezuela. There are no criminal records and he presented himself voluntarily to immigration authorities in order to apply for refugee status with a pending hearing in April. There is no evidence that he is a criminal or that he belongs to a crime except a tattoo that depicts a soccer ball with the word god written on top. This person has never been a resident of El Salvador, he has no ties to that country and yet the administration made an agreement to send him there. I would focus on the cruelty of the punishment but you could at least defend that IF HE WAS FOUND GUILTY OF ANYTHING!!!!

Not only that but if the Trump admin wanted to deport him, they could have simply waited until April where a judge would have determined if his assylum claim had any legs to it. If he had an invalid asylum claim then go ahead and deported, if he had a valid asylum claim then Trump is literally turning its back on victims of socialist opression.

The whole point of shipping them to El Salvador is that the US Constitution doesn't apply there, therefore they don't NEED to find the person guilty of any crimes. The agreement is there before the government decided that following laws was too much trouble and they didn't want to do it.

[Gorsameth]

My theory is the reason Trump is "making a deal" with Ukraine and Russia, is get a hold of minerals and such from Ukraine, ship them here, and have the batteries made in the US. Basically avoiding tariffs specifically for Musk.

No, Trumps interest in Ukraine v Russia is very simple and basic.

Obama was given a Nobel Peace prize, now Trump wants one because he is best. 'Solving' the Ukraine war gets him that.
That's it.

[Kaleredar]

No, Trumps interest in Ukraine v Russia is very simple and basic.

Obama was given a Nobel Peace prize, now Trump wants one because he is best. 'Solving' the Ukraine war gets him that.
That's it.

Oh come now, Trump isn’t that single minded. You’re leaving out the “Trump is utterly compromised by Russia” angle as well.

[Paetolus]

Not only that but if the Trump admin wanted to deport him, they could have simply waited until April where a judge would have determined if his assylum claim had any legs to it. If he had an invalid asylum claim then go ahead and deported, if he had a valid asylum claim then Trump is literally turning its back on victims of socialist opression.

Such an easy and non-evil solution to all of the illegal immigration issues would have been fast tracking these asylum hearings. Get more judges working on it. That was part of the plan in that bipartisan bill that Trump killed because he didn't want to hand Biden a victory.

People would stop abusing the asylum system if it was no longer abusable, and we'd still be able to give asylum to people who need it. There are so many Venezuelans and Haitians that would easily qualify for asylum. And here we are, sending them to a prison work camp in El Salvador or fucking GITMO of all places which is already a stain on American history as it is.

And it seems this poor guy was transferred to that El Salvador prison, then back to Texas, then back to El Salvador again, and now no one knows where he is. The Nazi comparisons for this administration grow more and more apt as time goes on.

[NED funded]

The whole point of shipping them to El Salvador is that the US Constitution doesn't apply there, therefore they don't NEED to find the person guilty of any crimes. The agreement is there before the government decided that following laws was too much trouble and they didn't want to do it.

Not only that but if Trump REALLY wanted to deport him even if he wasnt a criminal, his hearing is on april 17th, literally less than a month away. If his assylum claim is invalid then the Trump admin could deport him right in that moment and that would be it. Instead of simply waiting like 4 weeks for that, he is being sent to a Salvadoran prison.

[Mayhem]

The question is how much of it is effective. US needs to spend a lot on their military because historically their foreign policy depends on projection and they are dependent on intercontinental trade so they need to keep the shipping lanes safe. And that just costs a ton more. The question is how much corruption is there?

Considering it's profit-driven, at least the profit could be cut. So, look at how much profit the major weapons manufacturers made from selling to the US, and you will have what you could cut right away without issues.

[Draco-Onis]

Considering it's profit-driven, at least the profit could be cut. So, look at how much profit the major weapons manufacturers made from selling to the US, and you will have what you could cut right away without issues.

Most of the problems with it is the complete lack of competition and accountability, they can charge whatever they want and they have a web of subcontractors each ballooning cost.

[DarkTZeratul]

Not only that but if Trump REALLY wanted to deport him even if he wasnt a criminal, his hearing is on april 17th, literally less than a month away. If his assylum claim is invalid then the Trump admin could deport him right in that moment and that would be it. Instead of simply waiting like 4 weeks for that, he is being sent to a Salvadoran prison.

Your problem is thinking active malice is an accident, rather than the goal.

[Xath]

On Sunday I was talking with my Father-in-Law. He is infatuated with wealthy people, but he is also pretty liberal in his social views. We were talking about the future of the EV. My stance was, there are a lot of fluctuating factors to whether we will see an increase or decrease in EV purchases over the next few years. I was attempting to explain that Elon is torching his own brand, and american automakers are still shaking on their investment into EV production. It is a very unstable situation and no one can say for certain what the future of Electric vs Combustion will look like. He was dead set that EV production is ramping up and will likely get a 50% market share in the US within the next few years based on a projection of EV claiming 8% of the market in a short time.

Last year american automakers slowed down or paused their EV production. This year I saw articles saying they are picking it back up again. However, with Elon-in-Chief holding the checkbook for federal grants and such, US automakers will likely not get any incentives to move forward. So we will see how long this resumed production will continue without hand outs to fund it. After all, why would Elon hand out money to create competition?

Tesla has zero chance whatsoever against BYD in China is torching itself in Europe and with US Liberals. So basically they have to now rely on republican buyers while their ceo's best bud is downplaying climate change. In short they are fucked.

[Fugus]

Your problem is thinking active malice is an accident, rather than the goal.

@NED funded

Remember one of the first things Trump did in his first term was to cancel the contracts of countless US Soldiers serving honorably as a condition of their US citizenship just so he could deport them and their families.

Also when he shot rubber bullets at protestors so he could get his photo op holding the upside down Bible that that was the compromise and he was asking they be shot with live ammo but the officers refused to do it.

The cruelty is the point to Trump just as it was for Miller.

[NED funded]

I dont blame people for being optimistic on electric cars taking over. Tesla was THE leading car company and fumbled that lead. It prob doesnt help that Asian countries actually are willing to accept the trade and throw out that society as a stakeholder nonsense out of the window and actually do stuff.

[Rasulis]

Tesla has zero chance whatsoever against BYD in China is torching itself in Europe and with US Liberals. So basically they have to now rely on republican buyers while their ceo's best bud is downplaying climate change. In short they are fucked.

The only reason why it took this long for BYD to surpass Tesla is because their cars are not sold in US and Canada (102% and 100% surtax on top of the regular import tariff). Canada was mostly keeping BYD cars out because of their integrated car manufacturing with US big brother.

[Draco-Onis]

Tesla has zero chance whatsoever against BYD in China is torching itself in Europe and with US Liberals. So basically they have to now rely on republican buyers while their ceo's best bud is downplaying climate change. In short they are fucked.

I see zero chance that Trump and Elon are going to overcome decades of programming that EVs are a sign of weakness, they can try but good luck taking their Ford F150 away for a cybertruck.

[Xyonai]

I see zero chance that Trump and Elon are going to overcome decades of programming that EVs are a sign of weakness, they can try but good luck taking their Ford F150 away for a cybertruck.

No, but they'll probably succeed in turning Teslas into a virtue signalling status symbol. Elon's been partially successful in convincing a bunch of idiots with more money than sense that the Cybertruck is a legit thing that's super cool; and if he can market those stupid things to people, then the actual cars might not be a tough sell.

Whether or not this market shift is enough to make up for the loss of revenue alienating literally everyone else? Remains to be seen, but I'm leaning on 'No'.

[Timester]

As I see Teslas now, each Tesla on the street it's new place for a swastica to be drawn. Fuck the Tesla owners, they have money for other new EVs.

[NED funded]

I bought a bunch of sticker sheets of anti musk. Its bit cringe lol but if I can do my small part I am happy to help

[Fugus]

I bought a bunch of sticker sheets of anti musk. Its bit cringe lol but if I can do my small part I am happy to help

Nah, just buy a bunch of Nazi swastika and start putting it on their stuff. Just make sure it comes off easy. But seeing them repeatedly ride around with one of them on their bumpers might start to hit home for them how they are viewed.

Edit: Or maybe one that reads, “I sold out my family for a red hat” since some of them would consider the first one a mark of pride.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna196503

Evidently the Trump is considering having the US give up command of the NATO military soon. Not sure whether to be surprised that he would give up a position he could use to kneecap NATO or not be surprised that he is doing something that shows we wants America out of NATO and off the world stage entirely.

[Kaleredar]

As I see Teslas now, each Tesla on the street it's new place for a swastica to be drawn. Fuck the Tesla owners, they have money for other new EVs.

I’m not as immediately quick to jump on it. Until… somewhat recently… one could be forgiven for thinking Musk was just another eccentric billionaire trying to make rockets and sell electric cars. I’d argue that was the public’s general perception for the majority of the time Tesla cars have been sold. So not everyone that bought a tesla did so because they want to support Musk and Trump in their alt-right dipshit crusade.

Additionally, “Just sell your car and buy a new one” isn’t exactly a tenable prospect for everyone either. It’s not as easy as, say, ditching Twitter but people still use Twitter to this day (and with a lot less criticism leveled at them for continuing to do so, despite I’d argue Musk doing far more damage with Twitter than Teslas)

If I had my druthers, Tesla realizes Musk is utterly juking their brand and moves to remove him. Aside from the musk of it all, I mean… You can accuse Teslas of being more flash than substance and ultimately crummy car but you could do that for a lot of automobiles.

Focusing the protesting against musk and the dealerships seems a much more productive prospect, rather than heckling random people for “continuing to own” a car they may have bought ten years ago.

[Timester]

I’m not as immediately quick to jump on it. Until… somewhat recently… one could be forgiven for thinking Musk was just another eccentric billionaire trying to make rockets and sell electric cars. I’d argue that was the public’s general perception for the majority of the time Tesla cars have been sold. So not everyone that bought a tesla did so because they want to support Musk and Trump in their alt-right dipshit crusade.

Additionally, “Just sell your car and buy a new one” isn’t exactly a tenable prospect for everyone either. It’s not as easy as, say, ditching Twitter but people still use Twitter to this day (and with a lot less criticism leveled at them for continuing to do so, despite I’d argue Musk doing far more damage with Twitter than Teslas)

If I had my druthers, Tesla realizes Musk is utterly juking their brand and moves to remove him. Aside from the musk of it all, I mean… You can accuse Teslas of being more flash than substance and ultimately crummy car but you could do that for a lot of automobiles.

Focusing the protesting against musk and the dealerships seems a much more productive prospect, rather than heckling random people for “continuing to own” a car they may have bought ten years ago.

The thing is, at least in my country, a Tesla is virtue signalling status of "new richness", it always was. That or Uber Mafia. So, as I said at least here, it's so easy hurt Temu Stark where it hurts the more, his pocket.