Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[gondrin]

So, Trump finally revealed this "Close the Education Department" EO. It doesn't completely close it down but shrinks it down to its mandatory minimum.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...d-communities/

Oh, and there is this. No longer can actual departments do their own procurement for themselves. Only the General Services Administration is going to be allowed to procure anything now for the entire executive branch. I mean, with all of the firings that is going to happen, the GSA most definitely will have fun trying to procure anything of note for the many agencies there are.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...g-procurement/

EDIT: Let me add this. Conservatives along with Trump complain about too much centralized government in our school systems while complaining about test scores and other such metrics being lower than a lot of other countries while trying to dismantle said centralized government. Problem is, those same countries that have those high test scores and high metrics literally have those things because of a, gasp, a centralized standard system made by a centralized body to ensure that everyone is learning the same exact things. Local jurisdictions get some say in how their local communities are taught but for all intents and purposes, it is some centralized government body that makes the standards that they are required to follow.

Oh, and there is this happening now. Mandatory prayer time in Texas schools.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/g...d=BingNewsSerp

[NED funded]

Whats annoying about the Khalil situation is that even if you think that he should be deported the government should be making that case. As is, if it wasnt for his lawyers that were able to quickly notify ICE that he was a lawful resident with a permanent residency then he would have been deported. Right now, he has been arrested for 12 days and all the government has is that he said some unsavoury things they disagree with and that means he is a terrorist and must be deported. Thankfully, he is incredibly priviledged and the media is on his side so he will likely be fine. The venezuelan immigrants, only have the courts to defend them and even then Trump doesnt care. Even if the Trump admin loses how is the government supposed to bring them back if the government of el salvador says no

That is why there are TROs, to stop irreversible harm. Irreversible harm has been inflicted on them.

[tehdang]

This rings real fucking hollow with all the excuses you've made about Elon Musk very clearly boosting Nazi ideologies and doing Nazi salutes.

Oh yeah, I'm sure vandalized and firebombed cars would totally remind you of spoken ideologies and gestures. I'm sure there's a third of Democrats that would 100% give you a high-five for that comparison, but I'm talking about the rest of the country here.

[gondrin]

Whats annoying about the Khalil situation is that even if you think that he should be deported the government should be making that case. As is, if it wasnt for his lawyers that were able to quickly notify ICE that he was a lawful resident with a permanent residency then he would have been deported. Right now, he has been arrested for 12 days and all the government has is that he said some unsavoury things they disagree with and that means he is a terrorist and must be deported. Thankfully, he is incredibly priviledged and the media is on his side so he will likely be fine. The venezuelan immigrants, only have the courts to defend them and even then Trump doesnt care. Even if the Trump admin loses how is the government supposed to bring them back if the government of el salvador says no

That is why there are TROs, to stop irreversible harm. Irreversible harm has been inflicted on them.

Well, with any luck, the moment this nightmare is over by these people being out of office one way or another(legal or otherwise), I figure that there will be people that will absolutely bring justice to those doing it. As I said, legal or otherwise.

Because, as we are seeing, even though they are declaring Tesla protests "domestic terrorist events", people are still going to do them and in even greater numbers.

[tehdang]

Whats annoying about the Khalil situation is that even if you think that he should be deported the government should be making that case. As is, if it wasnt for his lawyers that were able to quickly notify ICE that he was a lawful resident with a permanent residency then he would have been deported. Right now, he has been arrested for 12 days and all the government has is that he said some unsavoury things they disagree with and that means he is a terrorist and must be deported. Thankfully, he is incredibly priviledged and the media is on his side so he will likely be fine. The venezuelan immigrants, only have the courts to defend them and even then Trump doesnt care. Even if the Trump admin loses how is the government supposed to bring them back if the government of el salvador says no

That is why there are TROs, to stop irreversible harm. Irreversible harm has been inflicted on them.

You've got a pretty miserable sense of the United States in general if you think a green card holder would be mistaken for a visa holder all the way up to deportation. I think you have a real argument to make about procedural and legal forms, but going cringe-resisty-mode on ICE will just prove you're ignorant.

Also, your confusion in identifying illegal aliens with permanent US residents is worrying.

[Draco-Onis]

Oh yeah, I'm sure vandalized and firebombed cars would totally remind you of spoken ideologies and gestures. I'm sure there's a third of Democrats that would 100% give you a high-five for that comparison, but I'm talking about the rest of the country here.

The rest of the country hates Elon especially when he is stealing their social security, there was a time where we hated Nazis now people like you celebrate them. Now don't get me wrong I don't think people should vandalize or firebomb cars because that's counterproductive. However when you lay off hundreds of thousands of people, attack social security, Medicare, Medicaid, children and kill people for your greed don't be surprised that people will take that shit personally. His actions are affecting millions of people and he gives zero fucks about the lives he is destroying.

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Also, your confusion in identifying illegal aliens with permanent US residents is worrying.

Prove they are illegal aliens oh that's right you can't because they didn't get their deserved due process under the law, it's amazing how much you hate the constitution.

[gondrin]

So, since this involves what is going on between Trump and the Judiciary, Elon Musk is bribing House Republicans with $6,600 to help with impeaching Justices and Judges that go against Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...c915ef25c&ei=6

Those who have received the $6,600 donation include Gill, as well as Reps. Eli Crane (R-AZ), Lauren Boebert (R-CO), Andy Ogles (R-TN), Andrew Clyde (R-GA), Derrick Van Orden (R-WI). Each of these Republicans has either publicly supported impeaching judges who have ruled against the Trump administration or has taken some sort of “action” in response to recent rulings. Musk also donated to Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), who criticized Boasberg.

[Draco-Onis]

So, since this involves what is going on between Trump and the Judiciary, Elon Musk is bribing House Republicans with $6,600 to help with impeaching Justices and Judges that go against Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...c915ef25c&ei=6

$6,600 oh wow what a cheap skate, that's like giving them a piece of candy for their work he can afford a six figure bribe.

[Jastall]

You've got a pretty miserable sense of the United States in general if you think a green card holder would be mistaken for a visa holder all the way up to deportation. I think you have a real argument to make about procedural and legal forms, but going cringe-resisty-mode on ICE will just prove you're ignorant.

Also, your confusion in identifying illegal aliens with permanent US residents is worrying.

It's not exactly hard for someone to have a pretty miserable sense of the United States in general right about now.

[gondrin]

$6,600 oh wow what a cheap skate, that's like giving them a piece of candy for their work he can afford a six figure bribe.

To be fair, it was the maximum amount that someone can actively donate to a politician directly without breaking any laws. Like the current DoJ would ever charge him with anything.

[NED funded]

You've got a pretty miserable sense of the United States in general if you think a green card holder would be mistaken for a visa holder all the way up to deportation. I think you have a real argument to make about procedural and legal forms, but going cringe-resisty-mode on ICE will just prove you're ignorant.

??? From everything Ive read they were fast tracking his deportation. They didnt know he was a green card holder and when told so by his lawyer they even lied and told hi that his green card had been revoked.

They said that his student visa had been revoked and that he was being arrested, with a plan to deport him. Khalil, a Syrian-born Algerian citizen of Palestinian descent, had been a leader of the pro-Palestine protests that consumed Columbia’s campus life last year. He called his lawyer Amy Greer, and she spoke with one of the agents. When Greer told him that Khalil did not have or need a student visa, because he is a permanent U.S. resident with a green card, the agent said that D.H.S. had revoked his green card, too. When Greer asked to see the warrant, the agent hung up.

https://archive.is/dibDq#selection-633.2-637.362

MAYBE he would not have been deported and they would have followed procedure but if that was the case he would have been freed by now or at least not be in Louisiana lol.

Also, your confusion in identifying illegal aliens with permanent US residents is worrying.

???

We could be talking about different cases but some of the Venezuelan immigrants arent illegal aliens. They followed all of the procedures to legally apply for asylum, even voluntarily walking to immigration authorities in order to start the process. There is a hearing in April 17th for one of them. The government needs to bring them back in order to see if they have a valid claim. If they dont then fine, deport them (not to el salvador they arent from el salvador) but as is the government sent them to a prison in a country that is entirely foreign to them without due process and its not clear that the government of el salvador will give them back.

If they wanted to deport them for being illegal aliens they would have, instead they were deported for being part of a criminal gang without the due process. They were effectively sent to prison without being able to determine if they are actually criminals

[Breccia]

(attempts to suggest painting swastikas on cars is worse than cheering on Hitler)

Your priorities are showing.

[Polgara]

Your priorities are showing.

I'm more curious why we have to stomach flagrant nazism; I thought violent speech isn't protected speech or are we okay with it as long as money is involved? Maybe I just look after my discord servers better than some others look aftertheir platforms.

[NED funded]

Tehdangs comment annoys me. Even if you think those immigrants should be deported... fine.. but do that. Dont send them to a prison in El Salvador, like thats some evil shit. There are processes to deport illegal immigrants, those dont involve sending people to labour camps in El Salvador.

[Xath]

https://observer.com/2025/03/trump-e...rary-services/

Can we stop pretending these cuts are about anything but crashing the economy? Save basically no money lose 50 billion plus in revenue.

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Tehdangs comment annoys me. Even if you think those immigrants should be deported... fine.. but do that. Dont send them to a prison in El Salvador, like thats some evil shit. There are processes to deport illegal immigrants, those dont involve sending people to labour camps in El Salvador.

It's almost like people who are consistently nazi apologists tend to have nazi like tendencies themselves.

[NED funded]

https://observer.com/2025/03/trump-e...rary-services/

Can we stop pretending these cuts are about anything but crashing the economy? Save basically no money lose 50 billion plus in revenue.

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It's almost like people who are consistently nazi apologists tend to have nazi like tendencies themselves.

Yeah I dont like saying something is Nazi shit but this is some Nazi shit. For all we know the US sent innocent people to rot in a prison in El Salvador.

[gondrin]

Yeah I dont like saying something is Nazi shit but this is some Nazi shit. For all we know the US sent innocent people to rot in a prison in El Salvador.

Well, one person was already misidentified and is now sent to pretty much a forced labor camp.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...af68070b&ei=12

The Trump administration expelled a professional soccer player to El Salvador based on a tattoo that paid homage to the soccer club Real Madrid, his attorney said.

The soccer player fled Venezuela after protesting authoritarian leader Nicolás Maduro — but now he’s one of several former U.S. migrants who haven’t contacted friends or attorneys in several days and are presumably being detained in an infamous Salvadoran prison.

Jerce Reyes Barrios was falsely identified as a gang member because of his tattoo, his lawyer said — echoing a claim that numerous lawyers and families of the expelled migrants have asserted in recent days. The tattoo was merely an homage to the soccer club Real Madrid, the lawyer said.

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In what way does Elon Musk need to ever know our plans for a potential war with China?

https://www.rawstory.com/elon-musk-2671373784/

[Xath]

Yeah I dont like saying something is Nazi shit but this is some Nazi shit. For all we know the US sent innocent people to rot in a prison in El Salvador.

There is 99.999% chance that at least 1 and more than likely a good portion of the people sent were innocent. The next move will be to go after a political opponent probably not AoC but someone in that line of thought with less populace support.

[Endus]

Tehdangs comment annoys me. Even if you think those immigrants should be deported... fine.. but do that. Dont send them to a prison in El Salvador, like thats some evil shit. There are processes to deport illegal immigrants, those dont involve sending people to labour camps in El Salvador.

Here's an article by the Canadian woman who was detained for two weeks for, let's see, "having a legitimate legal work visa but ICE border agents were authoritarian dickweasels about it"; https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...jasmine-mooney

One factor she brings up later in the story that hadn't occurred to me before reading it is that a lot of these detention centers are A> for-profit, and B> not actually run by ICE officers. So stuff she's telling the guards around her never gets to ICE; she offered to pay for her own flight home, which the ICE officer who eventually escorted her out said should have been enough for immediate release. She never signed a withdrawal form, but she was never offered one or informed that such a form even existed, and the guards likely wouldn't have known what she was talking about even if she had known; they knew nothing about deportation standards or ICE procedure or her case file.

This is all being done intentionally. Put detainees in for-profit centers where they can make money for the detention centers and keep them around making money for them as long as they can get away with doing so. It is, fundamentally, a grift. A con being run on the American people, to put more tax money into private corporate pockets.

If we were just talking about people being refused entry or immediately deported for unlawful presence, there'd be very little outcry. It's this invalidation of legal presence over shitty, unjustifiable grounds so you have an excuse to disappear people into private for-profit prisons. That's the fuckin' problem.

Mooney only got out in two weeks because she got into contact with a friend and her American boss who took her story to the media. If she hadn't gotten media attention, she'd met people who'd been there three times as long and with no exit in sight. A lot harder to raise a fuss if you barely speak English and have no influential contacts to call on.

The USA is literally in the "find ways to make the prison camps profitable" stage of pre-Holocaust buildup.

[tehdang]

??? From everything Ive read they were fast tracking his deportation. They didnt know he was a green card holder and when told so by his lawyer they even lied and told hi that his green card had been revoked.

I only saw an agent confused the same day. The green card revocation was always the province of immigration judges and the process was always through the courts, where defendants are not denied legal representation.

https://archive.is/dibDq#selection-633.2-637.362

MAYBE he would not have been deported and they would have followed procedure but if that was the case he would have been freed by now or at least not be in Louisiana lol.

We could be talking about different cases but some of the Venezuelan immigrants arent illegal aliens.

I'm happy to read any sources you have on that.

They followed all of the procedures to legally apply for asylum, even voluntarily walking to immigration authorities in order to start the process. There is a hearing in April 17th for one of them. The government needs to bring them back in order to see if they have a valid claim. If they dont then fine, deport them (not to el salvador they arent from el salvador) but as is the government sent them to a prison in a country that is entirely foreign to them without due process and its not clear that the government of el salvador will give them back.

If they wanted to deport them for being illegal aliens they would have, instead they were deported for being part of a criminal gang without the due process. They were effectively sent to prison without being able to determine if they are actually criminals

Illegal entry is not "follow[ing] all the procedures to legally apply for asylum." That can be done at ports of entry.

For the rest, I'm waiting for additional reporting. You may know that ICE facilities are famously over capacity.