Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[gondrin]

The USA is literally in the "find ways to make the prison camps profitable" stage of pre-Holocaust buildup.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news here but that has been a thing for quite a few decades now.

Anyway, Fox News says it out loud that one of the reasons they want to close down the Education Department is to remove the ability for disabled kids to get an education.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/we...e8973e5f&ei=46

On Thursday, Rolling Stone reporter Nikki McCann Ramirez posted a video clip to Bluesky of a segment from Fox News' "The Five." In the segment, liberal panelist Jessica Tarlov was commenting on President Donald Trump's executive order aimed at shuttering the Department of Education, and her fears that it would negatively impact the quality of education that disabled children receive.

"When I hear Republicans out there talking about their plan for education in America, I don't hear them talking about making sure disabled kids have access to a public education," Tarlov said. "I don't hear them talking about empowering—"

"—Because we're against it," Gutfeld said matter-of-factly.

"I know you are! And thank you for admitting it in such a public forum," Tarlov responded. "They want to end up privatizing [education], they want to end up with a voucher system which means kids who can't get to those schools, don't have enough money to or frankly don't want to go to public schools don't have access."

"They want to make [schools] private, they want to make them religious institutions, and that goes against what you're supposed to do in America," she added.

Republicans might as well go all the way and just kick the disabled kids off of a cliff Spartan style.

[tehdang]

It's not exactly hard for someone to have a pretty miserable sense of the United States in general right about now.

I'm sure you don't have to make up ones in order to describe things you think this is true about. At least, I hope this is true.

[gondrin]

So, Trump is claiming that tariffs are going to ease their way into the economy.

Ease their way into the economy. Sure Jan. Lets go with that.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...92326899482441

The Fed would be MUCH better off CUTTING RATES as U.S.Tariffs start to transition (ease!) their way into the economy. Do the right thing. April 2nd is Liberation Day in America!!!

[NED funded]

I only saw an agent confused the same day. The green card revocation was always the province of immigration judges and the process was always through the courts, where defendants are not denied legal representation.

https://archive.is/dibDq#selection-633.2-637.362

MAYBE he would not have been deported and they would have followed procedure but if that was the case he would have been freed by now or at least not be in Louisiana lol.

I'm happy to read any sources you have on that.

Illegal entry is not "follow[ing] all the procedures to legally apply for asylum." That can be done at ports of entry.

For the rest, I'm waiting for additional reporting. You may know that ICE facilities are famously over capacity.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...436.44.5_3.pdf

His lawyer that was representing him on his asylum claim put out a sworn declaration. Obviously, she could be wrong you know where we could find out if that was the case? In a court where we could determine if they were members of a gang and if they had a valid asylum claim. Now we will never know, they are in a prison in El Salvador.

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His court hearing is in april 17th, if the Trump admin really wanted to deport him they could have waited a couple of weeks for the court hearing and then deport him if his asylum claim was invalid. Instead of waiting LESS THAN A MONTH Trump sent him to a prison in El Salvador

[Rasulis]

So, Trump is claiming that tariffs are going to ease their way into the economy.

Ease their way into the economy. Sure Jan. Lets go with that.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...92326899482441

There are idiots out there who actually believe that drivel.

[Edge-]

Whats annoying about the Khalil situation is that even if you think that he should be deported

Why do you think he should be deported? I still don't think you or anyone have shown a shred of actual evidence to support your claims he supports Hamas.

[Breccia]

(supports an American dictator king)

Entire post handwaved as hypocrisy. You don't care about procedure, you accept and approve of someone above the law.

[For_The_Horde]

Here's an article by the Canadian woman who was detained for two weeks for, let's see, "having a legitimate legal work visa but ICE border agents were authoritarian dickweasels about it"; https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...jasmine-mooney

One factor she brings up later in the story that hadn't occurred to me before reading it is that a lot of these detention centers are A> for-profit, and B> not actually run by ICE officers. So stuff she's telling the guards around her never gets to ICE; she offered to pay for her own flight home, which the ICE officer who eventually escorted her out said should have been enough for immediate release. She never signed a withdrawal form, but she was never offered one or informed that such a form even existed, and the guards likely wouldn't have known what she was talking about even if she had known; they knew nothing about deportation standards or ICE procedure or her case file.

This is all being done intentionally. Put detainees in for-profit centers where they can make money for the detention centers and keep them around making money for them as long as they can get away with doing so. It is, fundamentally, a grift. A con being run on the American people, to put more tax money into private corporate pockets.

If we were just talking about people being refused entry or immediately deported for unlawful presence, there'd be very little outcry. It's this invalidation of legal presence over shitty, unjustifiable grounds so you have an excuse to disappear people into private for-profit prisons. That's the fuckin' problem.

Mooney only got out in two weeks because she got into contact with a friend and her American boss who took her story to the media. If she hadn't gotten media attention, she'd met people who'd been there three times as long and with no exit in sight. A lot harder to raise a fuss if you barely speak English and have no influential contacts to call on.

The USA is literally in the "find ways to make the prison camps profitable" stage of pre-Holocaust buildup.

Oh man. I know the original concentration camps ran medical research on the side, but somehow the idea of for-profit concentration camps is just so much worse. At least they're not torturing people to death or rounding up natural citizens who politically oppose him, yet. It's starting to feel like we're headed that way though.

[NED funded]

Why do you think he should be deported? I still don't think you or anyone have shown a shred of actual evidence to support your claims he supports Hamas.

I dont think he should be deported. My point is that even in the most charitable case you could make for the Trump admin, there is no excuse for the way he has been treated. That had it not been for lawyers he would have been deported without due process, despite being a green card holder. When they arrested him they thought he had a student visa

[Gabriel]

Republicans might as well go all the way and just kick the disabled kids off of a cliff Spartan style.

Don't give them credit by comparing them to Spartans.

They'll just cremate them along with all the detained deportees that'll start dying in their overflowing detainment facilities.

[tehdang]

Tehdangs comment annoys me. Even if you think those immigrants should be deported... fine.. but do that. Dont send them to a prison in El Salvador, like thats some evil shit. There are processes to deport illegal immigrants, those dont involve sending people to labour camps in El Salvador.

I can stand being called annoying. It's ok. I've already stated my displeasure with this dumb "Khalil was detained as for immigration law judge procedure heywhatabout illegal alien asylum seekers." That's perhaps purposeful conflation of the issues involved. At least, it reeks of playing fast and loose with different facts in different cases.

I'm fine with the real statements behind what you're saying, and it feels like you're articulating something like "I disagree with a lot of stuff this administration is doing in wildly different cases." You're right to say something approximating "Perhaps ICE mistook a real political asylum seeker for an illegal alien member of a foreign terrorist organization, and imprisonment in El Salvador is a miscarriage of justice." Maybe that's what you wanted to say, but "there are processes to deport illegal immigrants" strikes me as insufficient and perhaps ignorant. I might similarly say that there are processes to deal with fake asylum seekers, but CBP One is contravening the laws of the US and deserved impeachment and removal.

(You can stop putting words in my mouth about Nazi shit and endorsement of El Salvador prisons anytime you want. You're mixing in extremist rhetoric that hurts serious consideration)

[Xath]

I can stand being called annoying. It's ok. I've already stated my displeasure with this dumb "Khalil was detained as for immigration law judge procedure heywhatabout illegal alien asylum seekers." That's perhaps purposeful conflation of the issues involved. At least, it reeks of playing fast and loose with different facts in different cases.

I'm fine with the real statements behind what you're saying, and it feels like you're articulating something like "I disagree with a lot of stuff this administration is doing in wildly different cases." You're right to say something approximating "Perhaps ICE mistook a real political asylum seeker for an illegal alien member of a foreign terrorist organization, and imprisonment in El Salvador is a miscarriage of justice." Maybe that's what you wanted to say, but "there are processes to deport illegal immigrants" strikes me as insufficient and perhaps ignorant. I might similarly say that there are processes to deal with fake asylum seekers, but CBP One is contravening the laws of the US and deserved impeachment and removal.

(You can stop putting words in my mouth about Nazi shit and endorsement of El Salvador prisons anytime you want. You're mixing in extremist rhetoric that hurts serious consideration)

Alright here is a very easy response for you to make. I vehemently disagree with deportation to prison camps disregarding the due process of the law. It's a really simple statement can you make it?

[tehdang]

Alright here is a very easy response for you to make. I vehemently disagree with deportation to prison camps disregarding the due process of the law. It's a really simple statement can you make it?

I don't think you have established any standard of "due process of law" regarding illegal alien asylum seekers. Maybe you can both make a "easy response" and "simple statement" the next time you want either? Put another way, would you say that a Remain In Mexico program also violates due process, according to your private assertations?

[Mayhem]

Alright here is a very easy response for you to make. I vehemently disagree with deportation to prison camps disregarding the due process of the law. It's a really simple statement can you make it?

Lol, tehdang saying something other than made-up shit, concern trolling, or tone policing? You're asking too much of him. Maybe start with something simple like "Trump is not god".

[DarkTZeratul]

I don't think you have established any standard of "due process of law" regarding illegal alien asylum seekers.

The same goddamn due process every fucking person gets in this country. Are you being intentionally obtuse? Or do you genuinely think illegal aliens - who, by the way, definitionally do not include asylum seekers, don't think I didn't notice THAT racist bullshit - get a different due process than white people?

[Kaleredar]

I don't think you have established any standard of "due process of law" regarding illegal alien asylum seekers. Maybe you can both make a "easy response" and "simple statement" the next time you want either? Put another way, would you say that a Remain In Mexico program also violates due process, according to your private assertations?

So you’re in the camp of “if we don’t like the way they entered, we can do anything we want to them” and you find that morally okay?

I’m sure those “investigations” you’re assuring us are totally maybe going to definitely happen will absolutely absolve any of the officials of wrongdoing and they’ll definitely be found in the right and that this guy, or that German with a green card or the Canadian on a work visa, and others detained and otherwise incarcerated against their will by people with no concept of the law, were all lying about their situation and were just doing for attention or were secret al’qaeda or whatever the excuse you all are using to hand-wave away this rapidly expanding pattern of unilateral arrests and deportations.

And hey if the people doing the arresting/jailing/ deporting were found to be in the wrong… you can just take back incarcerating the people they arrested, the stripping of rights and dignity, or the wholesale sending them to a slave labor camp, right? You can just apologize that say and say “oops that was our bad!”

Because that’s all worth the sacrifice of keeping the country safe against…

Uhh… who is this keeping the country safe against?

[NED funded]

I can stand being called annoying. It's ok. I've already stated my displeasure with this dumb "Khalil was detained as for immigration law judge procedure heywhatabout illegal alien asylum seekers." That's perhaps purposeful conflation of the issues involved. At least, it reeks of playing fast and loose with different facts in different cases.

I'm fine with the real statements behind what you're saying, and it feels like you're articulating something like "I disagree with a lot of stuff this administration is doing in wildly different cases." You're right to say something approximating "Perhaps ICE mistook a real political asylum seeker for an illegal alien member of a foreign terrorist organization, and imprisonment in El Salvador is a miscarriage of justice." Maybe that's what you wanted to say, but "there are processes to deport illegal immigrants" strikes me as insufficient and perhaps ignorant. I might similarly say that there are processes to deal with fake asylum seekers, but CBP One is contravening the laws of the US and deserved impeachment and removal.

(You can stop putting words in my mouth about Nazi shit and endorsement of El Salvador prisons anytime you want. You're mixing in extremist rhetoric that hurts serious consideration)

I never said you endorsed Salvadoran prisons or Nazi shit. I said the stuff that the Trump admin is doing is nazi shit.

And here is the thing, if the Trump admin sent this guy to Mexico to wait for his case to be processed rather than sit in a US prison that too would have been an acceptable outcome. Thats not what happened, he got sent to a prison in El Salvador bc the government thinks he is a member of a violent gang. Maybe he is a member of a violent gang, but the means to assert that have been skipped bc of magical presidential powers. The government is not alleging they did any crimes, its asserting something and sending people to prisons where they are notorious for having their inmates work

There are many outcomes that dont involve sending people to prisons in El Salvador

[Doomcookie]

Just keep in mind that drawing swatikas on electric vehicles, as lawbreaking protest, has the chance to backfire massively. Like, "the libs are so fucked in the head after losing an election that they have to draw Nazi imagery on cars to express their rage."

Or the related phenomenon: that of putting a "Bought before Elon went crazy" sticker, in hopes that the mob will pass you by.

We just had two janitors at Columbia University file a civil rights lawsuit over being repeatedly forced to clean up dozens and dozens of swastikas on campus, and being attacked and harassed while cleaning it ("Jew-lover" "Zionist"). I'm sure it felt good for the students that did that too. But in retrospect, you're just adopting and using Nazis symbols while destroying property not owned by Musk. That risks massive backlash among the part of the country that isn't the third of Democrats that already align with your hatred.

Do you prefer trying to murder the VP?

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You've got a pretty miserable sense of the United States in general if you think a green card holder would be mistaken for a visa holder all the way up to deportation. I think you have a real argument to make about procedural and legal forms, but going cringe-resisty-mode on ICE will just prove you're ignorant.

Also, your confusion in identifying illegal aliens with permanent US residents is worrying.

Ummm, it just happened.

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I only saw an agent confused the same day. The green card revocation was always the province of immigration judges and the process was always through the courts, where defendants are not denied legal representation.

https://archive.is/dibDq#selection-633.2-637.362

MAYBE he would not have been deported and they would have followed procedure but if that was the case he would have been freed by now or at least not be in Louisiana lol.

I'm happy to read any sources you have on that.

Illegal entry is not "follow[ing] all the procedures to legally apply for asylum." That can be done at ports of entry.

For the rest, I'm waiting for additional reporting. You may know that ICE facilities are famously over capacity.

It's pretty weird that you're laughing about being racist.

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I can stand being called annoying. It's ok. I've already stated my displeasure with this dumb "Khalil was detained as for immigration law judge procedure heywhatabout illegal alien asylum seekers." That's perhaps purposeful conflation of the issues involved. At least, it reeks of playing fast and loose with different facts in different cases.

I'm fine with the real statements behind what you're saying, and it feels like you're articulating something like "I disagree with a lot of stuff this administration is doing in wildly different cases." You're right to say something approximating "Perhaps ICE mistook a real political asylum seeker for an illegal alien member of a foreign terrorist organization, and imprisonment in El Salvador is a miscarriage of justice." Maybe that's what you wanted to say, but "there are processes to deport illegal immigrants" strikes me as insufficient and perhaps ignorant. I might similarly say that there are processes to deal with fake asylum seekers, but CBP One is contravening the laws of the US and deserved impeachment and removal.

(You can stop putting words in my mouth about Nazi shit and endorsement of El Salvador prisons anytime you want. You're mixing in extremist rhetoric that hurts serious consideration)

That's a whole lot of fluff to just say that you're cool with all the racism and tyranny. Try to be more succinct.

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I don't think you have established any standard of "due process of law" regarding illegal alien asylum seekers. Maybe you can both make a "easy response" and "simple statement" the next time you want either? Put another way, would you say that a Remain In Mexico program also violates due process, according to your private assertations?

So, you can't make that statement.

[NED funded]

There are many outcomes on this situation that would have been acceptable. And here is another thing, the Trump admin flew these immigrants to El Salvador in spite of a court order that mandated that they be returned to the US. A TRO was given to stop irreparable harm from being done and now that the Trump admin has ignored it, it has inflicted irreparable harm. If the government of El Salvador doesn't feel like sending them back then that is kind of it. There isn't much more the US can do to fix that. Even if they are sent back they were sent to a prisons that are notorious for human rights abuses.

[PhaelixWW]

Flashback:

Sure sounds like their "process" was just someone saying: "Hey ChatGPT, flag any photo tagged with the words 'black', 'woman', or 'gay' for immediate removal."

Well, shit.

CNN: Military was instructed to search keywords including ‘first’ and ‘history’ during rushed purge of Pentagon websites

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s February memo ordering all diversity, equity and inclusion-related content to be removed from Pentagon websites was so vague that military units were instructed to simply use keyword searches like “racism,” “ethnicity,” “history” and “first” when searching for articles and photos to remove, and to interpret the directive “broadly,” multiple defense officials told CNN.

The implications of Hegseth’s memo were overwhelming, since the Defense Department manages over 1,000 public-facing websites and a huge visual media database known as DVIDS – with officials expected to purge everything relevant within two weeks. As a result, the manual work of individual units was supplemented with an algorithm that also used keywords to automate much of the purge, officials explained.

Other keywords officials were instructed to search for included “firsts” in history, including content about the first female ranger and first Black commanding general, as well as the words “LGBTQ,” “historic,” “accessibility,” “opportunity,” “belonging,” “justice,” “privilege,” respect” and “values,” according to a list reviewed by CNN.

A defense official acknowledged that, in hindsight, the strict timeline could have been handled differently and said the search terms were suggestions from an internal defense agency to help units meet the secretary’s directive.

Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said in a video posted to X on Thursday that the effort “was an arduous – but incredibly important – undertaking,” with an “aggressive timeline.”

“Every now and then, because of the realities of AI tools and other software, some important content was incorrectly pulled offline to be reviewed,” Parnell said. “We want to be very, very clear: History is not DEI. When content is either mistakenly removed – or if it is maliciously removed – we continue to work quickly to restore it.”

One defense official said of the removal of “firsts” in the military, “That’s just history. It’s not really DEI – it’s literally just history.”

Other keywords to look for included “gender based violence,” “cultural observances,” “cultural awareness,” “African ethnicity,” “Asian ethnicity,” “Caucasian ethnicity” and “Hispanic ethnicity.”

We're living in The Onion timeline.