Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

trump take egg!

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Now if Pelosi/Biden had ever said that the pain was necessary, or making bird flu worse on purpose. Media would really be losing their shit.

are we tired of losing yet?

because we seem to be so tired of winning we're just losing nonstop now.

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The Pentagon is not in a good state and needs major reforms. Hopefully Hegseth and his deputies are up to the task.

I'm not sure what would give you any hope for this alcoholic platoon leader given everything that's happened so far.

The fact that those keywords were chosen to include in search terms should be quite telling, but that you seem rather unphased by it is also, IMO, quite telling.

[DarkTZeratul]

That's kind of why I asked if this "disregarding the due process of the law" is such that you'd say Remain In Mexico violates an illegal aliens' due process. If you just thought "prison camps" composed the "disregarding," that's another thing. Since you didn't describe what you thought "disregarded" the due process of law, I had to ask you what you meant. Instead of telling me, you're off to nazi-bashing, so I guess that's your notice that you refuse to clarify a statement you claimed to be an "easy response" and "simple statement". I don't think returning an alien that makes an asylum claim to a territory, pending an Immigration Judge hearing, violates due process.

So what I'm getting is yes, you ARE being deliberately obtuse. Whether it's to drag on lefties, or because you know actually engaging with the topic at hand instead of playing the semantics game would require acknowledging that the Trump administration is actually at fault, or because you genuinely think immigrants should be kicked out of the country, it's clear you're absolutely refusing to engage in anything resembling good faith.

[Ivanstone]

I fail to see how arson and vandalism against cars implicates the 2nd Amendment. If you're really at the point of calling Molotov cocktails just another type of weapon of self-defense, or arson and vandalism a legitimate action taken in self defense, then I believe you've exited serious discussion and entered lunatic revolutionary rhetoric.

If the first mistake was thinking you'll be considered one of the "good guys" in burning and vandalizing Teslas, then trying to explain the act as 2nd Amendment right to bear arms would be continuing to dig yourself a bigger hole. Not that I will shed too many tears at your delegitimization of your own movement, but it would be a bore to explain once again why this didn't swing elections in your favor.

The second amendment isn’t about self defense. It’s not even mentioned. Security of a free state is specifically mentioned.

Now that we’ve textually established the 2nd amendment isn’t about self defense how about you answer the questions correctly this time?

Would you have preferred that people damage the property of an unelected demagogue using AR15s? I’m pretty sure people own them for 2nd amendment solutions.

Or should people just appropriate them and dump them into the nearest available harbour?

[PfeffermintShake]

TRUMP TAKE SUMMER VACATION 2025!

Not sure how to explain this. Vibes say many poster dont even touch grass, let alone ever go camping... But its a big part of the US tourism economy. Moreso for rural areas.

Double check your reservations on recreation.gov ... they probably gone. So sorry for people that finally won a primo lottery spot at Yosemite or Grand Canyon et al.

Trump Layoffs causing closure of camping on federal lands this season.

Also, many of the seasonal workers that provide hospitality services are young adults from abroad. There wont be visas for them. More importantly, they're to afraid to travel to the US. Why risk weeks in ICE detention when you justed to work/travel to Yellowstone for a few weeks?

So Trump going to extinct another sector of teh US economy.

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TRUMP TAKE SUMMER VACATION 2025!

Not sure how to explain this. Vibes say many poster dont even touch grass, let alone ever go camping... But its a big part of the US tourism economy. Moreso for rural areas.

Double check your reservations on recreation.gov ... they probably gone. So sorry for people that finally won a primo lottery spot at Yosemite or Grand Canyon et al.

Trump Layoffs causing closure of camping on federal lands this season.

Also, many of the seasonal workers that provide hospitality services are young adults from abroad. There wont be visas for them. More importantly, they're to afraid to travel to the US. Why risk weeks in ICE detention when you justed to work/travel to Yellowstone for a few weeks?

So Trump going to extinct another sector of teh US economy.

Note: This likely primarily impacts lower/lower-middle income folks, a great many of whom go to state/national parks as they're comparatively affordable vacations/trips. These were most of the vacations I took with my family as a kid, visiting state/national parks around California.

As with almost every action of this administration, it seems designed to disproportionately harm working Americans.

Also, those national parks are a good revenue generator, to boot.

[Ladey Gags]

What are we supposed to do about any of this

I’m so tired im so demoralized i just feel so defeated bout everything. Is our country really completey collpaisng before our eyes? What are we supposed to do? What am I supposed to do about any of this? Just sit back and watch it happen? I can’t put into words how defeated I feel, just lowest of low. Its just completely shocking watching my country’s institutions and services all unravel before me. What am I supposed to do? How am I supposed to feel about any of this. Idk man. I just don’t know anymore. I feel sick

[Xath]

In the effort to be fair: posting Reuters on the issue and quoting the whole thing.



Now, having read that Reuters article...and, quite frankly, a half-dozen others...it really seems like Reuters is putting more faith in the NYTimes reporting than Trump's denial. Musk has denied it, but that carries no weight with me or with journalists either.

So with that said, here's the NYTimes piece updated one hour ago:



For the record, "we decided not to have the meeting" will be taken as confirmation Musk was supposed to advise Trump on military matters between the two strongest powers on Earth, China and Twitter. I'm sure one of Trump's supporters will come here and explain how Musk is qualified to be there, but I have zero faith any of them will flat-out say "He should not be there" whether the story is or isn't true.

Of course, "is or isn't" is me using legalese. Trump lies all the time about everything. The NYTimes does not. There is an honesty gap here that nobody reasonable can cross.

There is also a bit wordplay there. Not discussing China doesn't mean not discussing war with Country Xi. We have war plans for likely every country on earth just most of them aren't named as those countries.

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TRUMP TAKE SUMMER VACATION 2025!

Not sure how to explain this. Vibes say many poster dont even touch grass, let alone ever go camping... But its a big part of the US tourism economy. Moreso for rural areas.

Double check your reservations on recreation.gov ... they probably gone. So sorry for people that finally won a primo lottery spot at Yosemite or Grand Canyon et al.

Trump Layoffs causing closure of camping on federal lands this season.

Also, many of the seasonal workers that provide hospitality services are young adults from abroad. There wont be visas for them. More importantly, they're to afraid to travel to the US. Why risk weeks in ICE detention when you justed to work/travel to Yellowstone for a few weeks?

So Trump going to extinct another sector of teh US economy.

Ski seasons will also be heavily impacted a significant number of workers are foreign nationals who travel based on the ski season.

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That's kind of why I asked if this "disregarding the due process of the law" is such that you'd say Remain In Mexico violates an illegal aliens' due process. If you just thought "prison camps" composed the "disregarding," that's another thing. Since you didn't describe what you thought "disregarded" the due process of law, I had to ask you what you meant. Instead of telling me, you're off to nazi-bashing, so I guess that's your notice that you refuse to clarify a statement you claimed to be an "easy response" and "simple statement". I don't think returning an alien that makes an asylum claim to a territory, pending an Immigration Judge hearing, violates due process.

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Wait, you're telling me that it came from an internal defense agency?

The Pentagon is not in a good state and needs major reforms. Hopefully Hegseth and his deputies are up to the task.

I specifically said prision camps you aren't fooling anyone except maybe yourself.

[Calfredd]

I specifically said prision camps you aren't fooling anyone except maybe yourself.

Oh please his acting skills are so poor he couldn't even fool himself.

[PfeffermintShake]

hEy GUys tRUMp"s nuMbErs R aShKUALly GOOD!



Really interesting group of former 538 workers and volunteers have recreated a better 538. Poll aggregation but with more tansperancy, and minus Nate Silver's weird obsession of giving Rasmussen bonus weighting...

[Deus Mortis]

Figured this was the best place for it. Obviously with the name of it we see them stroking Trumps ego.
https://www.twz.com/air/boeing-wins-...ghter-contract
Boeing Wins F-47 Next Generation Air Dominance Fighter Contract

In the biggest development for U.S. Air Force tactical air power in more than two decades, Boeing has been announced as the winner of the service’s Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) ‘fighter’ initiative. As the centerpiece of the NGAD effort, the new crewed sixth-generation stealth combat jet, now designated the F-47, is set to change air combat forever, with the Air Force hoping to begin fielding it in the next decade.

Boeing and Lockheed Martin had been facing off to build the NGAD combat jet, but neither company had formally confirmed it was competing. Northrop Grumman dropped out of the bidding process on its own accord to focus on other opportunities. Just the fact that the fighter component of NGAD is moving forward at all is news as the program has been put on hold for the better part of a year, with concerns over cost and relevance being examined. The Biden administration punted the program to the Trump administration due to this ongoing uncertainty.

The announcement was made personally by U.S. President Donald Trump in the Oval Office today, alongside Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin.

The Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) contract for NGAD is expected to be worth approximately $20 billion, although, across the life of the program, the company is in line to receive hundreds of billions of dollars in orders. Each copy of the jet, once series production commences, has been estimated in the past to cost upwards of $300 million. That is if the original concept for the aircraft has not changed.

It’s worth recalling that, while the NGAD terminology is frequently used to refer to the crewed combat jet that will be at the center of the effort, the program of the same name is a much broader initiative. As such, it includes the development of Collaborative Aircraft (CCA) drones with high degrees of autonomy, as well as new jet engines, weapons, electronic warfare suites, sensors, networking ecosystems, battle management capabilities, and more.

The NGAD combat jet program evolved from plans for what was originally referred to as a Penetrating Counter-Air (PCA) platform, which emerged publicly in the mid-2010s. The PCA concept was an outgrowth of previous work the Air Force had done in cooperation with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). That includes the Aerospace Innovation Initiative, which was publicly announced in 2015 and produced at least one classified flying demonstrator design.

In contrast to previous fighter competitions, NGAD has been cloaked in secrecy from the outset. Indeed, for a long time, the Air Force didn’t even disclose which companies were in the running for NGAD.

However, the likely candidates were always going to be Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman — the established heavyweights in terms of U.S. combat aircraft manufacturers. As noted, Northrop Grumman removed itself from the running for NGAD in July 2023, as you can read about here. The firm is also highly focused on fulfilling the high-stakes B-21 Raider contract. The three defense contractors are understood to have flown up to three NGAD demonstrators — possibly one from each company, although this, too, is unconfirmed. The fact that a full-scale flight demonstrator for NGAD had flown at all was first revealed back in September 2020.

Envisioned ostensibly as a successor to the F-22 Raptor stealth fighter, the NGAD combat jet was always intended to provide airpower capabilities sufficient to counter near-peer adversaries such as China and Russia. Although the fighter remains highly classified, it’s widely assumed to be tailored to counter future high-end fights in the Indo-Pacific theater, in particular.

“We tried a whole bunch of different options, and there was no more viable option than NGAD to achieve air superiority in this highly contested environment,” Air Force Maj. Gen. Joseph Kunkel, director of Force Design, Integration, and Wargaming within the office of the deputy chief of staff for Air Force Futures, said earlier this month.

As such, the fighter will emphasize significant range and payload capabilities but will also boast a host of exotic features and subsystems, among them, broadband stealth, advanced electronic, and other ‘spectral’ warfare capabilities.

TWZ has previously looked in detail at what kind of performance the aircraft might have in the end.

Once again, the NGAD combat jet is intended to work within a broader air combat ‘ecosystem’ — one in which Collaborative Aircraft (CCA) drones will play a critical part. The NGAD aircraft has always been envisioned as serving, in part, as a forward drone controller and otherwise operating closely together with companion drones. Reflecting the combat role of the CCAs, the Air Force recently announced new ‘fighter drone’ designations for the designs that General Atomics and Anduril are currently developing in the first phase, or Increment 1, of the CAA program. Boeing now joins these two companies as they set about completing the development of a new family of air combat systems for the Air Force.

Image of the new jet.

[Edge-]

so what does everyone think the south african pedo guy who was very nice to his Black south african servants is doing at the pentagon, today?

[Rasulis]

SBA will now handle US student loan portfolio.

Trump: Small Business Administration will take over student loans

At the same time, SBA will cut 40% of its workforce.

Small Business Administration Planning to Cut More Than 40% of Its Workforce

If I have a student loan, I will be very scared.

[Edge-]

SBA will now handle US student loan portfolio.

Trump: Small Business Administration will take over student loans

At the same time, SBA will cut 40% of its workforce.

Small Business Administration Planning to Cut More Than 40% of Its Workforce

If I have a student loan, I will be very scared.

hey, maybe if the sba is an understaffed shitshow they'll just lose track of loans and people can stop paying them! efficiency!

[Moralgy]

so what does everyone think the south african pedo guy who was very nice to his Black south african servants is doing at the pentagon, today?

Honestly at this point he could leak all the information and cuckservatives will still cheer him on.

[Draco-Onis]

Figured this was the best place for it. Obviously with the name of it we see them stroking Trumps ego.
https://www.twz.com/air/boeing-wins-...ghter-contract
Boeing Wins F-47 Next Generation Air Dominance Fighter Contract

ROFLMAO, if it's anything like the F-35, it will be extremely overpriced, underdeveloped, buggy and since it's Boeing probably crash. This plane is probably for the US and Saudi Arabia, most of our allies are running away from US hardware like the plague and focusing on domestic production thanks to Trump's tariff policies.

[Rasulis]

hey, maybe if the sba is an understaffed shitshow they'll just lose track of loans and people can stop paying them! efficiency!

I think it is going to be the other way around. They'll lose people's payments, and people will end up getting double billed. They'll probably lose tracks of those on student loan public service forgiveness program. Those on income-based loan repayment will likely end up on higher interest rate loans. What the next four years will do to student loan programs will take decades to untangle.

[Draco-Onis]

hey, maybe if the sba is an understaffed shitshow they'll just lose track of loans and people can stop paying them! efficiency!

Or the most likely outcome they will subcontract the work to some awful private companies that will balloon student debts even more. Trump's banishing student forgiveness and programs that lowered rates already skyrocketed payments, I have a feeling they are about to go up even more.

[En Sabah Nur]

Figured this was the best place for it. Obviously with the name of it we see them stroking Trumps ego.
https://www.twz.com/air/boeing-wins-...ghter-contract
Boeing Wins F-47 Next Generation Air Dominance Fighter Contract
Image of the new jet.
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Trump also decided to reveal that a secret experimental version of it had been flying for nearly 5 years already, because why wouldn't you just let everyone know that, I guess?

[Edge-]

Trump also decided to reveal that a secret experimental version of it had been flying for nearly 5 years already, because why wouldn't you just let everyone know that, I guess?

hey now, he can declassify anything just by thinking about it

or tweeting out full resolution images taken from spy satellites that aren't supposed to exist

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https://nypost.com/2025/03/21/us-new...-king-charles/

President Trump reacted warmly Friday to a report that the US could be offered “associate membership” in the British Commonwealth.

“I Love King Charles. Sounds good to me!” the president wrote on Truth Social, linking to a report by the Sun that a proposal could be made by the monarch when Trump makes a state visit to the UK later this year.

The Commonwealth of Nations, established in 1926, has 56 member states, the vast majority of which are former colonies of the British Empire.

MAKE AMERICA BRITISH AGAIN

or something

i dunno

nazi grandpas brain is still breaking

[btlcryct]

I don't know if he can call it the F-47. The Air Force doesn't reuse plane designations, and there was already a P-47. Might be a grey area since it's an F and not P. They can't even nickname it the Thunderbolt II since that's already used for the A-10.

Although I've already seen people calling it the Felon-47. Kind of fitting since the Russian SU-57 is designated Felon by NATO.