Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Mayhem]

So I guess most of our talk the last couple pages about Trump's authority and ability to deport random South and Central Americans to El Salvador is now even more of a clusterfuck because Trump Claims he never actually signed off on the Alien Enemies Act and had 'someone else' sign off on it for him.

Was their name A. Utopen?

[PACOX]

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...2025-04865.pdf

i do hope the doj under attorney general pam bondi seriously investigates who forged the presidents signature on this, because donald said he did not sign it.

this is a very serious matter if someone is in the white house forging the presidents signature.

very serious.

if true.

Old man needs a power of attorney. That grandpa's sharpie away.

[Mayhem]

Hey, America would you be so kind as to fuck off and keep your nationalistic shit contained within your border?

The Trump administration’s most influential think tank, The Heritage Foundation, is receiving proposals from illiberal forces in Poland and Hungary on how to shape the future of the European Union. The proposals, obtained by VSquare, include dismantling key EU institutions and renaming the entire bloc.

“The future of EU Treaty Reform will greatly impact transatlantic relations. Understanding how that might unfold is critical for those invested in a Europe that is whole, free, at peace, and prosperous. To that end, we have organized this important workshop on March 11 at 2 PM EST at The Heritage Foundation.”

link

[PhaelixWW]

Hey, America would you be so kind as to fuck off and keep your nationalistic shit contained within your border?

Out of luck for the next four years, mate.

Check back in in late 2028.

[For_The_Horde]

Productive no, but cathartic yes. And certainly less unproductive (aka harmful) than actually vandalizing a vehicle. People with Tesla money and a clear video of you touching their car can go after you legally. But its just a waste of time if its over a sticker since there's absolutely no damages. The only thing you've hurt is their feelings. Best to just get it out of your system now anyways before touching a Tesla becomes an instant terrorism charge due to executive order. Only a matter of time.

Hey look past me, I was right.

People that get caught sabotaging Teslas will stand a very good chance of going to jail for up to twenty years, and that includes the funders. WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU!!!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...98218638202475

I look forward to watching the sick terrorist thugs get 20 year jail sentences for what they are doing to Elon Musk and Tesla. Perhaps they could serve them in the prisons of El Salvador, which have become so recently famous for such lovely conditions!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...00244380161257



Added bonus of being expatriated and shipped to a foreign prison where human rights don't matter to spend the rest of your life.

[PhaelixWW]

Added bonus of being expatriated and shipped to a foreign prison where human rights don't matter to spend the rest of your life.

That's one way of avoiding them being effectively pardoned in a bit under 4 years from now, I guess.

[For_The_Horde]

That's one way of avoiding them being effectively pardoned in a bit under 4 years from now, I guess.

So basically you can storm the capital, assault cops, smear poop on the walls, and threaten to murder representatives for doing their jobs, completely without consequence because Trump said its fine. Meanwhile if you door-ding a Tesla you'll be hunted down like an animal, stripped of your citizenship, and thrown into the deepest darkest hellhole that accepts reservations.

[Elenos]

Out of luck for the next four years, mate.

Check back in in late 2028.

Oh no, those of us in Europe own this one. Events of the last decade and a half are really coming around to bite us in the ass here, very hard.

I've wondered since 2016 how many years it would take Trump to realize that if he wanted to absolutely destroy the EU he could.

[Teriz]

https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-...ns-2025-03-21/

I will apologize to Bukele and the Salvadoran government bc apparently their vetting process is better than that of the US and they dont simply assume everyone is a member of a criminal gang.

The government of El Salvador has a better vetting process than that of the US

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They did not vet if they were gang members, which fair enough, so if you are a man and venezuelan you are out luck.Still, I dont think we should expect a dictatorship to be a bastion of human rights but at least they got the easy pickings away

That's a genuinely horrifying article.

Pretty blatant violation of multiple laws and individual rights.

I wonder how many voters here in the states still feel that both sides are the same.

[Nymrohd]

Tesla cars really have more rights than women.

[Draco-Onis]

Tesla cars really have more rights than women.

Well according to them anyways unless congress passes laws there's zero chance terrorism charges would hold up in court instead of plain vandalism. It is insane that immigrants are being held in less regard than Elon's shitty cars that are literally falling apart.

[Belize]

Tesla cars really have more rights than women.

Unlike women, Teslers let conservatives ride them, heyooooo

[Breccia]

I trivially have enough CNN points to just let their fact checker do the heavy lifting for me.

You don't need the summary. Trump lies all the time about everything, and repeats the same objective falsehoods over and over hoping they magically become true.

Trump’s 2024 vote total

While criticizing a federal judge who is presiding over a challenge to one of Trump’s immigration actions, Trump exaggerated his own vote total in the 2024 election – saying of the judge, “He didn’t run for president. He didn’t get much more than 80 million votes.” Trump received about 77.3 million votes in the 2024 election, his highest total in the three consecutive presidential elections in which he was a candidate. There is no basis for his repeated suggestions that the 2024 count was inaccurate.

Tariffs and trade deficits

Honda and Indiana: While touting his use of tariffs on imported goods to get companies to increase their US manufacturing, Trump claimed, as he did in his address to Congress early this month, that Honda is building a new factory in Indiana.

“We have a big one: Honda is building – just announced – a really big plant in Indiana,” he said Friday.

But Honda has made no such announcement. Reuters, citing anonymous sources, reported early this month that Honda is planning to build its next-generation Civic hybrid in Indiana rather than Mexico as originally planned. The report did not say Honda was building a new factory; it already builds vehicles at an existing Indiana plant.

In a statement to CNN on Wednesday, Honda thanked Trump “for recognizing our commitment to manufacturing vehicles in America” and touted its investment of “over $3 billion in advanced vehicle manufacturing in America in just the past three years” – but also noted, “Honda did not announce plans for a new plant in the U.S. at this time.” Honda said Friday, after Trump’s latest remarks, that this statement still stands.

The US trade deficit with China: Trump repeated his false claim that the US trade deficit with China has hit $1 trillion or more, again blaming former President Joe Biden for this supposed situation. Trump said: “We have a trillion-dollar deficit, because of Biden, with President Xi; more than that – I mean, I’ve heard $1.2 trillion.”

You knew "I've heard" would be on the list. Let me make this clear: "I've heard" is still a lie. Not only did Trump not hear that, because it's false, but even if he did, he's in a position to know such a statement is false. If he hates trade gaps as much as he claims, he's one Google search away from finding the accurate number. Either he lied on purpose, or heard an unreasonable, blatant lie that he wanted to believe, Strawman style. Neither trait is redeeming.

Those numbers are not close to accurate. In fact, official federal figures show that the 2024 deficit with China in goods and services trade was $263.3 billion. That’s up from $252.1 billion in 2023 – but lower than in every year of Trump’s first presidency. The 2024 deficit with China in goods trade alone was $295.2 billion.

The US trade deficit with Canada: Reiterating his desire for Canada to become the 51st US state, Trump repeated his false claim that “it costs us $200 billion a year in subsidy to keep Canada afloat.” Trump has repeatedly used this $200 billion figure to describe the US trade deficit with Canada, which is actually far lower than that; official US statistics show the 2024 deficit with Canada in goods and services trade was $35.7 billion and $70.6 billion in goods trade alone. Even if he was this time using the word “subsidy” more broadly, there is no basis for the claim.

Canada’s dairy tariffs: Trump correctly noted that Canada has 270% tariffs on some US dairy products. However, he failed to mention that Canada’s high dairy tariffs only kick in after the US hits a certain Trump-negotiated quantity of tariff-free dairy sales to Canada each year – and as the US dairy industry acknowledges, the US is not hitting its zero-tariff maximum in any category of dairy product, so the tariffs aren’t being applied.

Ukraine and NATO

US aid to Ukraine: Trump repeated his regular false claim that the US has provided “$350 billion” in aid to Ukraine. There is no basis for this figure. According to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German think tank that closely tracks wartime aid to Ukraine, the US had committed about $129 billion in total wartime military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine through December 2024 (at current exchange rates) and actually allocated about $123 billion of that sum.

It’s possible to arrive at different totals using different counting methodologies, but there is no apparent basis for Trump’s “$350 billion” figure. The US government inspector general overseeing the Ukraine response says on its website that the US had appropriated about $183 billion for the Ukraine response through December 2024, including about $83 billion actually disbursed – and that includes funding spent in the US or sent to countries other than Ukraine.

The existence of NATO: Trump repeated his false claim that “NATO was gone until I came along,” since he convinced member countries to spend more on defense. There is no basis for the claim that NATO was vanishing without him. One expert on NATO, George Washington University professor Erwan Lagadec, told CNN in 2023, when Trump made similar comments, that the claim “doesn’t make sense, obviously,” since the only NATO member that had given any indication in recent years that it was thinking about leaving the alliance was the US itself under Trump.

This time, Trump claimed that both the current secretary general of NATO, Mark Rutte, and his predecessor, Jens Stoltenberg, said, “If it wasn’t for Trump you wouldn’t even have a NATO.” It’s not clear what they might have told Trump in private, but neither went nearly that far in public. Both Rutte and Stoltenberg publicly praised Trump for achieving increases in NATO members’ defense spending but didn’t go so far as saying the alliance would have disappeared without him.

I am going to flat-out contradict any suggestions that either UN SecGen told Trump in private "you saved NATO" but did not do so in public. Trump is a sociopathic narcissist who runs on praise. It would have been trivial for them to give such an appraisal in public if they meant it.

NATO members’ spending: Trump repeated his false claim that, before his first presidency, some NATO countries “weren’t paying their bills.” NATO’s target of having its members each spend 2% of their gross domestic product on defense is a self-described “guideline” that does not create “bills”; during and prior to Trump’s first presidency, the guideline was written in forgiving language that made clear that it was not a firm commitment. That version of the guideline, created at a NATO summit in Wales in 2014, said members that had yet to reach 2% would “aim to move towards the 2% guideline within a decade with a view to meeting their NATO Capability Targets and filling NATO’s capability shortfalls.” In other words, the members that were below 2% in 2014 didn’t even have to promise to hit the target by 2024 – simply to make an effort to do so by then.

Immigration and drug deaths

The number of migrants: Trump repeated his false claim that “21 million” migrants were allowed into the country by the Biden administration, “not even including the gotaways” who evaded detection. This is another major exaggeration. Through December 2024, the last full month under the Biden administration, the country had recorded under 11 million nationwide “encounters” with migrants during that administration, including millions who were rapidly expelled from the country; even adding in so-called gotaways who evaded detection, estimated by House Republicans as being roughly 2.2 million, there’s no way the total is “21 million.”

Immigration, prisons and mental institutions: Trump repeated his regular but unsubstantiated claim that “many” migrants who crossed the border during the Biden administration “were from jails and prisons and mental institutions,” adding that “many” came from jails in South America, Africa and “the Congo” in particular. Trump has never provided proof for these claims, which his own presidential campaign was unable to corroborate; experts on both the Democratic Republic of Congo and the neighboring Republic of Congo have told CNN there is no evidence for Trump’s previous claims that “the Congo” deliberately emptied prisons to somehow send inmates to the US as migrants; and the government of each of these countries has told CNN that the claims are baseless.

Fentanyl deaths: Talking about the border and drug trafficking, Trump repeated his inaccurate rejection of official statistics on fentanyl overdose deaths: “I think the number is much higher than the 125 (thousand), 115 (thousand) that you – I think it’s closer to 300,000 people a year.”

We'll come back to this one in just a bit.

There is no basis for Trump’s opinion. In the 12-month period ending in October 2024, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates there were 52,385 deaths involving synthetic opioids including fentanyl – a terrible number, but nowhere close to what Trump said. Even at the peak, US deaths involving synthetic opioids hovered under 80,000 for any given 12-month period.

When Trump made similar “300,000” claims in 2024, Dr. Andrew Kolodny, medical director of the Opioid Policy Research Collaborative at Brandeis University, told CNN that this is “a made-up number,” saying, “I have no idea where Trump is getting ‘300,000’ from.”

Kolodny said it’s likely that the number of US overdose deaths is undercounted, but that there is no apparent basis for Trump’s insistence that the real number is nearly triple the reported number. And Kolodny said the undercount issue is centered not on overdoses from illicit fentanyl smuggled across the southern border but on seniors’ overdoses from accidentally taking too much of their legal prescription medications.

"Well hold on! Surely Trump was counting people who were fentanyl addicts, who died due to reasons related to them being fentanyl addicts. Like, if someone gets high and falls off a roof, or gets in a car crash, or a sober person is run over by a high person. That should be there, right?"

That's a valid opinion to discuss. Sadly, Trump does not share this opinion.

Trump claimed that, during the riot at the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, “nobody was killed” other than Ashli Babbitt, a rioter who was shot by a police officer as she tried to climb through a broken window into the Speaker’s Lobby outside the House of Representatives.

Now as everyone knows, the number of deaths was five. Their causes of deaths were mixed, but definitely impacted by, say, being pepper sprayed or beaten by Trump supporters during an insurrection. So, Trump supporters must admit Trump lied about the number of deaths during the insurrection, that he lied about the number of fentanyl deaths, or torture themselves trying to make him honest about both only to fail and be mocked by me.

Trump lies so much, his own lies contradict his other lies.

Trump has no honest policies, because his policies are all built on falsehoods. Quite frankly, Trump supporters should be upset with him. 50,000 American deaths due to fentanyl is tragic. A $300 billion trade gap with China is a lot of money. 11 million hypothetical illegal immigrants is something that would be concerning to people who think Mexicans are drug-using rapists. The fact that Trump himself thinks the honest numbers aren't good enough, and has to inflate everything by two, six, hundreds at times, is Trump admitting "the things I'm claiming are causes of my actions aren't valid causes even by my standards".

Instead, the cultists and literal worshippers will point at Trump's objectively false claims and accept them, because they would rather stay intentionally ill-informed than even say something as mild as "Okay, Trump exaggerated, but there's a legitimate problem that needs to be dealt with". Their lack of such admission will be taken instead as admission they know the problem isn't really bad enough for the changes Trump is making/proposing, but they want them done anyhow despite insufficient cause.

[Xath]

Well according to them anyways unless congress passes laws there's zero chance terrorism charges would hold up in court instead of plain vandalism. It is insane that immigrants are being held in less regard than Elon's shitty cars that are literally falling apart.

He isn't planning on them going to court he is planning on disappearing them he said as much.

[SAY HER NAME]

The 22 cases include Chicago resident Julio Noriega, 54, a U.S. citizen who, according to court documents, was arrested, handcuffed and spent most of the night at an ICE processing center in suburban Broadview. He was never questioned about his citizenship and was only released after agents looked at his ID.

“I was born in Chicago, Illinois, and am a United States citizen,” Noriega said in his statement, adding that on Jan. 31, after buying pizza in Berwyn he was surrounded by ICE agents and arrested. Officers took away his wallet, which had his ID and Social Security card. “They then handcuffed me and pushed me into a white van where other people were handcuffed as well.”

In another case of ICE is an organization lead by both evil and incompetent people. Arresting a US citizen, holding them the entire night and only after all that just then bothering to check if they are a US citizen. This is literally racial profiling lol.

[Breccia]

Elon Musk begs his remaining shareholders to stop selling Tesla stock after it drops 50% in two months.

Actual words he spoke in public:

I understand if you don’t want to buy our product, but you don’t have to burn it down. That’s a bit unreasonable.

He then closed the Department of Education, canceled Social Security checks, and tried to give Ukraine to Putin.

[Moralgy]

In another case of ICE is an organization lead by both evil and incompetent people. Arresting a US citizen, holding them the entire night and only after all that just then bothering to check if they are a US citizen. This is literally racial profiling lol.

It starts as racial profiling and makes it way to political profiling fast. Citizens are not safe no matter what as long as republicans refuse to resist this shit. Ya know what? republicans cheer this on just check cuckservative reddit atm.

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Bro just started clapping for herself as she was boo'd to death. 1:20 roughly

[Bwgmon]

Elon Musk begs his remaining shareholders to stop selling Tesla stock after it drops 50% in two months.

Mr. "empathy is the greatest weakness" is begging for people to show him empathy. Sad!

[Endus]

Elon Musk begs his remaining shareholders to stop selling Tesla stock after it drops 50% in two months.

Mr. Richest Man in the World clearly understands Tesla is cooked, and is about to die forever.

If he didn't, and thought Tesla was going to recover and that stock price was gonna shoot back up any day now, he'd just buy those shares himself at the current cheap price. And then he'd make a ton of money when the stock recovers, and be able to slowly sell them back out at peak prices again. Even if it was only going to recover to 80% of its value before the crash, that's still a huge return.

And he's not doing that.

Because he assumes it won't recover.

The CEO doesn't believe in his own company. That's the headline here.

[Sunseeker]

Mr. Richest Man in the World clearly understands Tesla is cooked, and is about to die forever.

If he didn't, and thought Tesla was going to recover and that stock price was gonna shoot back up any day now, he'd just buy those shares himself at the current cheap price. And then he'd make a ton of money when the stock recovers, and be able to slowly sell them back out at peak prices again. Even if it was only going to recover to 80% of its value before the crash, that's still a huge return.

And he's not doing that.

Because he assumes it won't recover.

The CEO doesn't believe in his own company. That's the headline here.

Who needs to own Tesla when you own the USA?