Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[NED funded]

I'd say it goes beyond that; Democrat voters are trained to look for internal dissent; tension and different opinions within the party are expected so criticism of the party is not seen with suspicion (that said they are also partisan in that they will never give an inch to Republican-favored concepts even on issues where the consensus is not in their favor). So media can afford to challenge Democrats without alienating viewers. Meanwhile Republican voters are extremely aggressive against internal dissent, especially after Trump. So media cannot challenge Republicans because they would absolutely turn off the news if they did.

This is only half true. I think people misread the Republican media bubble, there is a tone of internal dispute in the Republican party. They disagree a lot and there are a lot of contradicting positions that are held in passion. The one thing they all agree on however is to vote for the Republican party in the election.

The crushing of the internal dissent you see in the Republican party is not bc ppl hold a variety of opinions, the crushing comes when the people say they want to vote for a different person. Its what Joe Rogan was crushed for, its what someone like Kyle Rittenhouse was crushed for and so on.

That is the weakness of the democrat party. What you would think be their natural allies, leftists dont bother to vote. People dont mind the criticism, they mind the lack of action. You saw it in the 2016 and 2020 election with the Bernie Bros and in 2024 it took a new form under the Palestinian activists.

Republicans allow dissent, there is a lot of dissent in the republican party, it is weirdly enough the party with the biggest antisemites and the most hardcore zionists, as an example of its many contradictions, what they dont allow is inaction and betrayal. Now we can argue if choosing not to vote or voting for someone else is betrayal but the Republicans do and that is why they succeed. Its why their base of radicals align under Trump.

[Breccia]

Trump Executive Order Says States Must Use Voting Machines That Don’t Actually Exist

This Slate article goes on to list a few other things, but yeah, Trump is demanding states use machines that don't use bar codes or QR codes. They all do, now. It's like the whole "steam on aircraft carriers" thing.

[Tech614]

Trump Executive Order Says States Must Use Voting Machines That Don’t Actually Exist

This Slate article goes on to list a few other things, but yeah, Trump is demanding states use machines that don't use bar codes or QR codes. They all do, now. It's like the whole "steam on aircraft carriers" thing.

So basically hes just costing red states a lot of money to replace their voting machines because blue states are going to completely ignore that illegal order, lmao.

[Xath]

So basically hes just costing red states a lot of money to replace their voting machines because blue states are going to completely ignore that illegal order, lmao.

Blue states are going to start pushing residents to withhold federal taxes if he actually tries to tie this to federal funding and that will kick off another civil war.

[PhaelixWW]

Blue states are going to start pushing residents to withhold federal taxes if he actually tries to tie this to federal funding and that will kick off another civil war.

"Hey, look, I guess Trump really delivered those tax cuts!"

[gondrin]

Trump Executive Order Says States Must Use Voting Machines That Don’t Actually Exist

This Slate article goes on to list a few other things, but yeah, Trump is demanding states use machines that don't use bar codes or QR codes. They all do, now. It's like the whole "steam on aircraft carriers" thing.

Yeah, I posted this a couple of days ago. The biggest thing is, outside of trying to withhold funding, states themselves will literally tell Trump to go fuck himself. There may be some states that will try and follow it, and they are welcome to do so, but California and other blue states will just pretty much ignore it. And outside of telling his AG to go "investigate it" and do basically nothing, this EO is literally him yelling at clouds.

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I am going to put this in here because it does involve the whole Signal chat leak but it also involves Israel so I will put it in there too.

Here is an article basically stating that Israel is kinda really upset over the leak because it compromises their intelligence and revealed locations of at least one person that was giving intel.

Oopsie.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...d=BingNewsSerp

[Kaleredar]

Yeah, I posted this a couple of days ago. The biggest thing is, outside of trying to withhold funding, states themselves will literally tell Trump to go fuck himself. There may be some states that will try and follow it, and they are welcome to do so, but California and other blue states will just pretty much ignore it. And outside of telling his AG to go "investigate it" and do basically nothing, this EO is literally him yelling at clouds.

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I am going to put this in here because it does involve the whole Signal chat leak but it also involves Israel so I will put it in there too.

Here is an article basically stating that Israel is kinda really upset over the leak because it compromises their intelligence and revealed locations of at least one person that was giving intel.

Oopsie.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...d=BingNewsSerp

Israel vis-a-vis their Warhawk leadership is in this weird spot overall.

They rely so much on the US for military support and aide… and yet they fought tooth and nail to get Trump installed, a man who is deeply, utterly feckless and incompetent. To whom allegiance means absolutely nothing and whose plans don’t extend beyond making himself money. And no person or group, no matter how strong or important they think themselves to be to Trump or the US, means anything to him. He will actively discard them if he finds it advantageous. Hell, right here we have an example of him compromising Israel thoughtlessly, with no apology, for no good reason, with no admission of wrongdoing and no guarantee that this kind of thing won’t just happen again.

I think the Israeli government believes themselves “too important” to the United States for Trump to double-cross or sell out. I’m not sure they want to test that assumption too heavily.

Individuals like @Gaidax should really remember this when they cheer a deeply amoral man like Trump just because he isn’t currently standing in Israel’s way.

You have people deep in Trump’s camp actively parroting Nazi rhetoric and slogans. You have Trump followers who are actually anti-semites. And no, I don’t mean the “you disagree with the Israeli government so you’re an anti-Semite” label that right-wingers use to dismiss any criticism of Israel, I mean the actual “we want to actively harm Jewish people” anti-semites. It’s been eight years of these people cleaving to Trump and he’s never keen on rebuking them, are we to assume that “but Israel is the US’ good buddy!” would save the Jewish state from Trump’s fecklessness if he saw an excuse to throw them under the bus? It didn’t work for Canada. It didn’t work for Europe. It didn’t work for the Kurds. It didn’t work for Ukraine.

So why would we believe that, ultimately, Israel would wind up being any different if push came to shove?

[Tech614]

Israel vis-a-vis their Warhawk leadership is in this weird spot overall.

They rely so much on the US for military support and aide… and yet they fought tooth and nail to get Trump installed, a man who is deeply, utterly feckless and incompetent. To whom allegiance means absolutely nothing and whose plans don’t extend beyond making himself money. And no person or group, no matter how strong or important they think themselves to be to Trump or the US, means anything to him. He will actively discard them if he finds it advantageous. Hell, right here we have an example of him compromising Israel thoughtlessly, with no apology, for no good reason, with no admission of wrongdoing and no guarantee that this kind of thing won’t just happen again.

I think the Israeli government believes themselves “too important” to the United States for Trump to double-cross or sell out. I’m not sure they want to test that assumption too heavily.

Individuals like @Gaidax should really remember this when they cheer a deeply amoral man like Trump just because he isn’t currently standing in Israel’s way.

You have people deep in Trump’s camp actively parroting Nazi rhetoric and slogans. You have Trump followers who are actually anti-semites. And no, I don’t mean the “you disagree with the Israeli government so you’re an anti-Semite” kind that right-wingers use to dismiss any criticism of Israel, I mean the actual “we want to actively harm Jewish people” anti-semites. It’s been eight years of these people cleaving to Trump and he’s never keen on rebuking them, are we to assume that “but Israel is the US’ good buddy!” would save the Jewish state from Trump’s fecklessness if he saw an excuse to throw them under the bus? It didn’t work for Canada. It didn’t work for Europe. It didn’t work for the Kurds. It didn’t work for Ukraine.

So why would we believe that, ultimately, Israel would wind up being any different if push came to shove?

Anti-Semites are commonly pro Israel for a reason. They want the jews to be there and not in their own countries. Hell this is literally the reason Israel was created in the first place. It was literally created out of anti-Semitism, so they would no longer be the US and Europe's "problem".

So no, I don't see Trump turning on Israel.

[Kaleredar]

Anti-Semites are commonly pro Israel for a reason. They want the jews to be there and not in their own countries. Hell this is literally the reason Israel was created in the first place. It was literally created out of anti-Semitism, so they would no longer be the US and Europe's "problem".

So no, I don't see Trump turning on Israel.

There are enough conspiracies floating around in conservative circles rallying against the “Jew-controlled whatever” that I wouldn’t bet on that.

Besides, even if we were to accept that all of the antisemites that vote Republican are A-ok with Israel… like I said, what anyone other than Trump wants at any given moment has never mattered to Trump. And even if there’s no outward spite from him towards Israel, as we can see helping put an absolute moron in control of the military you also rely heavily on has already bit them in the ass.

[Tech614]

There are enough conspiracies floating around in conservative circles rallying against the “Jew-controlled whatever” that I wouldn’t bet on that.

Besides, even if we were to accept that all of the antisemites that vote Republican are A-ok with Israel… like I said, what anyone other than Trump wants at any given moment has never mattered to Trump. And even if there’s no outward spite from him towards Israel, as we can see helping put an absolute moron in control of the military you also rely heavily on has already bit them in the ass.

Trump has like 50 countries on his list he can betray before he ever gets to Israel. Your thought process seems to be revolving around antisemites when those same antisemites are also islamaphobes happy to see Israel committing genocide.

Shits literally not happening. Not sure why you're bringing it up. Israel would literally be a puppet state for Trump if he asked it to be. The goals of israel are pretty in line with the goals of Trump for the region.

Trump has a problem with NA and EU allies because they won't take his shit. That is the reason he is trying to fuck them over. This is not Israel. Israel will do whatever the fuck Trump wants it to do.

[Breccia]

Yeah, I posted this a couple of days ago.

Uh...whoops.

Hey look, something else!

Here is an article basically stating that Israel is kinda really upset over the leak because it compromises their intelligence and revealed locations of at least one person that was giving intel.

I mean...did they remember the time Trump handed Putin some Israeli intelligence in public? At what point do you realize Trump is both incompetent and knows no loyalty other than to Trump? This is on them.

[Bakis]

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[NED funded]

There are enough conspiracies floating around in conservative circles rallying against the “Jew-controlled whatever” that I wouldn’t bet on that.

Besides, even if we were to accept that all of the antisemites that vote Republican are A-ok with Israel… like I said, what anyone other than Trump wants at any given moment has never mattered to Trump. And even if there’s no outward spite from him towards Israel, as we can see helping put an absolute moron in control of the military you also rely heavily on has already bit them in the ass.

I dont think Trump will ever "betray" Israel but underneath the hood, the new generation of right wingers are absolute antisemites. Tucker Carlson, Andrew Tate, Candace Owens, these are very popular right wingers with the new gen of the GOP and they dont have good things to say abt Israel or jews in general lol.

Trump is not an antisemite, but he is surrounded by antisemites. Right now it works cuz the cult of personality is to strong but after Trump its anyone's guess how that will go.

[Xyonai]

I dont think Trump will ever "betray" Israel but underneath the hood, the new generation of right wingers are absolute antisemites. Tucker Carlson, Andrew Tate, Candace Owens, these are very popular right wingers with the new gen of the GOP and they dont have good things to say abt Israel or jews in general lol.

Trump is not an antisemite, but he is surrounded by antisemites. Right now it works cuz the cult of personality is to strong but after Trump its anyone's guess how that will go.

While 'Trump doesn't hate jews, he just listens to and takes direction from a bunch of people who do' isn't a very solid defense, I don't disagree with you. It's a useful cudgel to silence dissent right now; Look at all the people shrugging haplessly at the Palastinian Protesters getting dissapeared and charged for wrong-think, with actual (if sometimes questionibly legitimate) charges come out only after enough blowback. Trump's also usefully stupid in that he'll probably keep starting or getting involved in scuffles in the Middle East that both the Neo-Cons still around his cabinet and Israel themselves would greatly benifit from.

However, the man's aura of incompetence is often always underestimated by... everyone. His blunders and foibles get muffled and downplayed locally because his goons have enough control of the narrative to keep them out of the news for more than a week, but the real effects of his fuckups can't simply be wiped away. Israel's probably happy Trump is in charge, but their leadership would be actually fucking stupid to not be Trump proofing their military and intelligence operations.

[Elenos]

Trump has a problem with NA and EU allies because they won't take his shit. That is the reason he is trying to fuck them over. This is not Israel. Israel will do whatever the fuck Trump wants it to do.

That's a bit much on both ends. Israel is willing to go against Trump is their interests do not align on an issue and I do wonder how much Bibi was happy to agree to a ceasefire in Gaza because Trump gave him a push on it.

As for NA and Europe the reality of American foreign policy for the last 16 years ( since Obama's Russia's reset ) is that the US wants Europe ( and Canada I should add ) to spend more on defense and manage their own affairs better without having Big Brother America solve all their damned problems for them. Victoria Nuland, who is neither a fan of Trump or Russia made the comment of 'Fuck the EU' for a reason.

Why? Because America's interests and foreign policy are aiming at Asia. Obama's Asia Pivot even under Trump's both terms as president is STILL America's foreign policy focus. Now Obama and Biden did go for the soft approach, Trump the hardline approach but ultimate goal is the same: Get Europe and Canada to actually be productive and not have to be bailed out time and again.

As a European it's a hard pill to swallow for me but the reality is that big political conflict will be decided in Asia NOT Europe and our importance on global affairs will only lessen in time. Hell I saw this being talked about in 2016, even on this forum.

[Breccia]

It's hard to have any political discussion when a sizable minority of one side keeps speaking like the country is flirting with fascist overthrow.

Trump says he is not joking about third presidential term

The people saying it is a fascist overthrow are the ones telling the truth. You're the one supporting the fascist overthrow. If there's a problem, it's you.

[Gorsameth]

That's a bit much on both ends. Israel is willing to go against Trump is their interests do not align on an issue and I do wonder how much Bibi was happy to agree to a ceasefire in Gaza because Trump gave him a push on it.

As for NA and Europe the reality of American foreign policy for the last 16 years ( since Obama's Russia's reset ) is that the US wants Europe ( and Canada I should add ) to spend more on defense and manage their own affairs better without having Big Brother America solve all their damned problems for them. Victoria Nuland, who is neither a fan of Trump or Russia made the comment of 'Fuck the EU' for a reason.

Why? Because America's interests and foreign policy are aiming at Asia. Obama's Asia Pivot even under Trump's both terms as president is STILL America's foreign policy focus. Now Obama and Biden did go for the soft approach, Trump the hardline approach but ultimate goal is the same: Get Europe and Canada to actually be productive and not have to be bailed out time and again.

As a European it's a hard pill to swallow for me but the reality is that big political conflict will be decided in Asia NOT Europe and our importance on global affairs will only lessen in time. Hell I saw this being talked about in 2016, even on this forum.

I think the part American overlook is that EU following the US isn't as guaranteed as they might think.

An EU that take care of its own problems is an EU that can chart their own course, and that course can just as easily take them towards the East. Are the bad parts of China actually worse then Trumpian America? China is certainly a lot more stable and less prone to complete hysteria every 4 years.

America turning its sights to China instead of Russia makes perfect sense, but by actively threatening and antagonising Europe they may end up just strengthening China and sandwiching themselves between an EU-China alliance.

[Tech614]

Israel is willing to go against Trump .

That's cap.

Maybe if a change in leadership happens but if you're claiming Netanyahu who would get on his knees and suck Trump off if asked would go against Trump that's some laughable shit.

[Xath]

Trump says he is not joking about third presidential term

The people saying it is a fascist overthrow are the ones telling the truth. You're the one supporting the fascist overthrow. If there's a problem, it's you.

Yeah people aren't getting this I'm trying to convince relatives who have the means to get the fuck out but sunk cost fallacy is making it difficult. They love their house and keep thinking they can weather this and deal with it. All I can do is keep trying .

[Surfd]

It's hard to have any political discussion when a sizable minority of one side keeps speaking like the country is flirting with fascist overthrow.

It's not flirting bro. It's bent over, screaming into a pillow while the fascist overthrow is balls deep, giving it a reach around, and getting closer to blowing it's load by the second.

Trump has all but literally declared himself king, is effectively wiping his ass with the constitution, and is straight up shredding rights and freedoms like they are cheap napkins while sowing chaos and confusion across every level of government. If the country manages to make it to midterms intact, I will be shocked.