Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Mekh]

If Trump starts a war with Denmark over Greenland, and therefore NATO, I wonder how much of a pretzel the MAGA will twist themselves into to justify the action. Same with Canada.

r/conservative says "Monroe doctrine".

[s_bushido]

Trump did this.

Maybe it was his 95²d chess plan to unite the world against a fascist America all along. Truly, he will go down as one of the presidents of all time.

[SAY HER NAME]

The Trump administration acknowledged in a court filing Monday that it had grabbed a Maryland father with protected legal status and mistakenly deported him to El Salvador, but said that U.S. courts lack jurisdiction to order his return from the megaprison where he’s now locked up.

The case appears to be the first time the Trump administration has admitted to errors when it sent three planeloads of Salvadoran and Venezuelan deportees to El Salvador’s grim “Terrorism Confinement Center” on March 15. Attorneys for several Venezuelan deportees have said that the Trump administration falsely labeled their clients as gang members because of their tattoos. Trump officials have disputed those claims.

But in Monday’s court filing, attorneys for the government admitted that the Salvadoran man, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, was deported accidentally. “Although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error,” the government told the court. Trump lawyers said the court has no ability to bring him back now that Abrego Garcia is in Salvadoran custody.

I do believe the administration when they said they made a mistake. This is why you NEED due process. Also maybe dont send people to Salvadoran prisons?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ource=facebook

The evil here is the refusal to remedy the error and leave the man in prison

[Mayhem]

Well, good luck. Trump just needs to find a country that's willing to build a comparable prison, then fund it, then send people there in error.

Whoopsies

[En Sabah Nur]

China, Japan, South Korea will jointly respond to US tariffs, Chinese state media says

That's not good. Only Trump, the Uniter, could make those three countries work together and put up a united economic front against the US.

Well, shit. If he's really got these 3 working together, give the man the Nobel he so desperately craves lol

If Trump starts a war with Denmark over Greenland, and therefore NATO, I wonder how much of a pretzel the MAGA will twist themselves into to justify the action. Same with Canada.

Oh, but they've already been trained with the justification of "national security" for when they need to defend any actions.

[Mazza]

I do believe the administration when they said they made a mistake. This is why you NEED due process. Also maybe dont send people to Salvadoran prisons?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ource=facebook

The evil here is the refusal to remedy the error and leave the man in prison

Regardless if it is true that this was a mistake or not... they still don't get a pass on the mistake, because the skipping of due process (where the error would have been made obvious) was very much a CHOICE of this administration. Trump decided to skip due process, consequences be damned. He and his cronies now don't get to call "oopsie"

As to their inability to bring him back by court order... maybe they should try to just ask, adding 'please'.

[diller]

To be clear, China and Korea hate Japan because of imperial japan which might as well be ancient history at this point. They have no reason to continue to beef with each other

I completely agree but that doesn't change the fact that Korea at least on the political level still hates Japan to a point where it's almost comical.

Obviously Japan is at fault for not just apologizing, but as you mention by now it's so long ago.

[SAY HER NAME]

Regardless if it is true that this was a mistake or not... they still don't get a pass on the mistake, because the skipping of due process (where the error would have been made obvious) was very much a CHOICE of this administration. Trump decided to skip due process, consequences be damned. He and his cronies now don't get to call "oopsie"

As to their inability to bring him back by court order... maybe they should try to just ask, adding 'please'.

The inability to bring people back is what I said was the most evil thing in this case. Bc after the Trump admin loses all of their cases there is no guarantee that the innocent people that got sent to Salvadoran prisons would be brought back. The Salvadoran government can simply say no and the Trump admin being what they are can say that they tried and "give up"

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My comment is that according to the court document you apparently didn’t read he was a convicted MS-13 gang member with no legal right to be here.

My further comment is that it’s gross to get fired up about gang members getting deported while ignoring citizens they victimize.

https://x.com/JDVance/status/1906934067607556440

Although I said it was a mistake and the gov says in front of the court that it was a mistake the vicepresident seems to think it was intentional

[Xath]

I do believe the administration when they said they made a mistake. This is why you NEED due process. Also maybe dont send people to Salvadoran prisons?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ource=facebook

The evil here is the refusal to remedy the error and leave the man in prison

Uh so anyone getting the feeling the guy is already dead and that's why they are saying they can't?

[SAY HER NAME]

Uh so anyone getting the feeling the guy is already dead and that's why they are saying they can't?

This is more likely than you think. He was granted relief from deportation bc he credibly argued that he was fleeing gangs in El Salvador. The same gangs that he now shares a prison with now

[Odinfrost]

Uh so anyone getting the feeling the guy is already dead and that's why they are saying they can't?

I didn't until you mentioned it.
He defo dead

[PosPosPos]

And the Birth Rates will drop ever lower...

America is a place where men would rather spend 10k to attend a grift sex-trafficking expo to get laid(and probably not even then) instead of bettering themselves and make the environment more safe and conducive for women to want to give birth.

Something tells me the only real impact this sex-trafficking expo will have is to crash Grindr in that area.

[Xath]

This is more likely than you think. He was granted relief from deportation bc he credibly argued that he was fleeing gangs in El Salvador. The same gangs that he now shares a prison with now

I think it's extremely likely I also think this isn't necessarily a mistake it's a test.

[Draco-Onis]

did you miss the memo? elon, the genius, is going to look into how it happened because mike waltz isn't a colossal fucking idiot who was using a personal device with personal contacts on it when using the civilian app to discuss war plans

elon will find the superhacker

Our nation is breathing a sight of relief knowing bigballs is on the case.

[tehdang]

I do believe the administration when they said they made a mistake. This is why you NEED due process. Also maybe dont send people to Salvadoran prisons?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ource=facebook

The evil here is the refusal to remedy the error and leave the man in prison

Just to wipe away the bias on the story, the man in question went before a judge and ICE presented sufficient evidence that he was an MS-13 gang member, deny him bond, and order his removal. That was a judge. That was due process afforded to an illegal alien. The Atlantic does its readers a disservice by concealing all that behind "Maryland father."

The asylum claim and torture allegation should still have led to his deportation, but to a third country. None of this clears the Trump administration from their mistake.

[SAY HER NAME]

Just to wipe away the bias on the story, the man in question went before a judge and ICE presented sufficient evidence that he was an MS-13 gang member, deny him bond, and order his removal. That was a judge. That was due process afforded to an illegal alien. The Atlantic does its readers a disservice by concealing all that behind "Maryland father."

The asylum claim and torture allegation should still have led to his deportation, but to a third country. None of this clears the Trump administration from their mistake.

The sufficient evidence that ICE presented was a form they filled where he was identified as an MS13 but literally no police agency has him registered as an MS13 member.

Plaintiff Abrego Garcia has never been arrested or charged with any crime in the
U.S. or in El Salvador. There is no known link or association between him and the MS-13 gang.
Prince George’s County law enforcement never again questioned him regarding MS-13 or accused
him of membership in MS-13.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...578815.1.0.pdf

Neither ICE or the DOJ contest this btw.

And you know what, if the DOJ had evidence to challenge these facts, you know where this could be deliberated? In a court hearing. But the Trump admin is now saying that he is in El Salvador and there is nothing that can be done. So we will never know. Oh well oopsies I guess

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Also nice conflation of facts. He was denied bond. He wasnt ordered a deportation on MS13 basis association. Those are two separate claims with very different implications

[En Sabah Nur]

"wipe away the bias" indeed...

[Breccia]

But you have to understand-

We do. You're defending lack of due process in the dictator rapist you continue to support.

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DOW drops 400 points at open purely out of habit at this point. The tariffs aren't even until tomorrow. Probably.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Misleading title, but Trump's approval ratings are actually pretty decent/good despite all of the perceived pushback. And when you consider polls time and again have always underestimated his support, he is likely >50% across the board on most issues. Obviously early in his term but he seems to be doing better than last time and has at least half if not more of independents.

Don't believe what you hear out of these echo chambers like MMO champ about him losing support.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...poll/?tbref=hp

[Draco-Onis]

The sufficient evidence that ICE presented was a form they filled where he was identified as an MS13 but literally no police agency has him registered as an MS13 member.



https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...578815.1.0.pdf

Neither ICE or the DOJ contest this btw.

And you know what, if the DOJ had evidence to challenge these facts, you know where this could be deliberated? In a court hearing. But the Trump admin is now saying that he is in El Salvador and there is nothing that can be done. So we will never know. Oh well oopsies I guess

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Also nice conflation of facts. He was denied bond. He wasnt ordered a deportation on MS13 basis association. Those are two separate claims with very different implications

I wonder how people will defend this one.

Trump admin accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian mega-prison and says it can’t get him back

The Trump administration accidentally sent a Salvadorian immigrant to a notorious Salvadorian prison and says it can’t do anything to get him back.

That’s even though the man had protected immigration status in the U.S., specifically barring him from being sent back to that country for fear of persecution.

On Monday, in a filing in Maryland federal court, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) admitted to mistakenly sending Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia to El Salvador’s notoriously brutal CECOT prison.

“On March 15, although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error,” the government wrote.

The admission came in a suit from Abrego Garcia’s family, who is seeking court orders barring the U.S. from paying El Salvador for the man’s detention and demanding that the federal government request the country return him to the United States.

Gee it's almost sending people into gulags without due process is a bad idea who would have thought.

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Misleading title, but Trump's approval ratings are actually pretty decent/good despite all of the perceived pushback. And when you consider polls time and again have always underestimated his support, he is likely >50% across the board on most issues. Obviously early in his term but he seems to be doing better than last time and has at least half it not more of independents.


https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...poll/?tbref=hp

A Harvard CAPS/Harris poll found 49 percent of registered voters approved of Trump’s job performance

Don't bother linking anything since you can't read, just post whatever shit you make up in your alternate reality.