Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[SAY HER NAME]

The public vs court statements are so different its dystopian

On public the Trump admin is taking credit for deporthing an MS13 gang member. In the court case they are saying it was a mistake, that he should not have been deported that ICE knew and it all was an innocent mistake with no one to blame. (This is likely to protect ICE from consequences)

[Nightmare Queen]

If ICE keeps fucking up and sending people to torture prisons, maybe THEY should be defunded.

[Rasulis]

ok that doesn't answer my question and i'm not sure why you bring it up

did the us government ask for him back and were they denied? because you keep implying that's the case but i haven't seen that clearly reported anywhere

The US government has not made any request. They are not doing anything. This is not the first time the US deported somebody by mistake. In the past, the government made all-out effort to rectify the GOVERNMENT'S MISTAKE.

[Moralgy]

I wonder what the worst thing to come of a Harris win would have been, maybe she used mayo on her hotdogs or something? But instead we have the secret police vanishing legal residents cause they seem a bit too tan.

[Poopymonster]

The US government could have requested him back from the Salvadoran government. The chances of the Salvadoren government saying "no" is pretty slim. It has bent backward and some to accommodate the US government so far. Not to mention that there is no benefit for them keeping him in the Salvadoran prison.

It's better to say "Oops, sorry, nothing we can do" than return a body.
One is bureaucracy and politics. The other can have you liable for murder.

[Edge-]

The US government has not made any request. They are not doing anything. This is not the first time the US deported somebody by mistake. In the past, the government made all-out effort to rectify the GOVERNMENT'S MISTAKE.

ok, i'm curious if NED will acknowledge this or if they'll just continue the totally not bigoted criticism of el salvador because apparently this administrations word is trustworthy for some reason and we assume they act in good faith or something

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I wonder what the worst thing to come of a Harris win would have been

having to listen to that annoying laugh

ugh

thank goodness republicans saved us from that

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https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...e-20252465.php

The U.S. Health and Human Services Department’s San Francisco regional office will be shuttered this spring amid a broad culling of jobs at federal health agencies.

The office, located in the Speaker Nancy Pelosi Federal Building, consists of 318 staff who manage Medicare, Medicaid, health services for Native Americans and HIV/AIDS programs for Arizona, California, Hawaii, Nevada, six American territories and nearly 160 federally-recognized tribes. “This shortsighted office closure would lead to critical service slowdowns for San Franciscans to get the resources they need and detrimental impacts to our public health response capabilities – all in the name of so-called ‘government efficiency,” Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi said in a statement confirming the move.

“Make no mistake: the reported plans to restructure HHS and close the San Francisco regional office would directly harm our most vulnerable communities and make America sicker,” Pelosi said.

Already starting to close HHS offices to Make America Sick Again!

[Breccia]

Already starting to close HHS offices to Make America Sick Again!

Texas measles outbreak hits 422 cases with 22 new infections confirmed over last 5 days

Almost all of the cases are in unvaccinated individuals or in individuals whose vaccination status is unknown, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS). At least 42 people have been hospitalized so far.

Just four cases have occurred in people fully vaccinated with the measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine and one case has occurred among someone vaccinated with one dose, health officials said.

[Edge-]

Texas measles outbreak hits 422 cases with 22 new infections confirmed over last 5 days

thoughts and prayers

i hope the kids recover and hold grudges against their dumbass parents for the rest of their lives

[Poopymonster]

thoughts and prayers

i hope the kids recover and hold grudges against their dumbass parents for the rest of their lives

We've moved beyond Tots and Pears.

[tehdang]

The sufficient evidence that ICE presented was a form they filled where he was identified as an MS13 but literally no police agency has him registered as an MS13 member.

This doesn't even address it. Does it even contest my post? A judge denied him bond and ordered him removed in 2019 based on the strength of evidence that he was a member of MS-13. If you're actually talking about due process, maybe you should look up what happened in 2019. I fail to see that you ever considered consulting sources prior to 2025 to determine whether he received due process prior to a *new* asylum claim.

If you don't contest anything of what I said, but instead want to add what his lawyers claimed six years later, then please clarify. I'm happy to hear that you confirm everything I stated in my post was truthful.

As NED noted in the actual court filing, it appears that no actual evidence was presented to a judge beyond, "The gub'mint said so."

It's incredible how you rush to defend this administration at every turn, chiding those of us who treat its threats and outrageous actions seriously for doing so.

Yet you don't support this administration and its outrageous behaviors, you keep saying, as you continue to defend and, apparently intentionally dishonestly, share dubious information to support that defense.

It's a very funny thing that the defenders of due process decide to ignore or conflate actions taken in 2019 by an immigration judge. To put it simply, if a client ruled deportable by a judge for being a member of MS-13 decides to later claim that his membership in MS-13 lets him claim asylum based on what his country does to members of MS-13, the only thing you will look at is what his lawyer says. The immigration judge doesn't actually matter to due process! That's a little shocking. But it's entirely consistent if you believe that you can ignore everything that happened during the Biden Administration, and focus on everything from the Trump Administration. Trump is the tabula rasa, the clean slate for due process(tm).

[Nymrohd]

Trump health layoffs include staff overseeing bird flu response, source says
I guess eggs got cheap enough!

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It's a very funny thing that the defenders of due process decide to ignore or conflate actions taken in 2019 by an immigration judge. To put it simply, if a client ruled deportable by a judge for being a member of MS-13 decides to later claim that his membership in MS-13 lets him claim asylum based on what his country does to members of MS-13, the only thing you will look at is what his lawyer says. The immigration judge doesn't actually matter to due process! That's a little shocking. But it's entirely consistent if you believe that you can ignore everything that happened during the Biden Administration, and focus on everything from the Trump Administration. Trump is the tabula rasa, the clean slate for due process(tm).

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...578815.1.0.pdf

This is the legal filing form March 24, 2025, again linked to you.

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FACTS
18. Plaintiff Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador and no other country.

Seems reasonable!

Plaintiff Abrego Garcia is not a member of or has no affiliation with Tren de Aragua, MS-13, or any other criminal or street gang. Although he has been accused of general “gang affiliation,” the U.S. government has never produced an iota of evidence to support this unfounded accusation.

So...is not, and has no affiliation with the street gang. He has been accused of affiliation, but as stated there not "an iota" of evidence.

Plaintiff Abrego Garcia has no criminal history. He has never been charged or convicted of any criminal charges, in the United States, El Salvador, or any other country.

Righto.

Going back to the 2019 incident -

At no point did police explain why they were arresting Plaintiff Abrego Garcia, nor was Plaintiff Abrego Garcia ever charged with any crime. This was Plaintiff Abrego Garcia’s first and only time in state custody.

So not even charged?

On April 24, 2019, Plaintiff Abrego Garcia appeared for his first hearing in immigration court. Through counsel, he moved for release on bond pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1226(a), submitting over seventy pages of evidence in support thereof. ICE opposed a change in custody status, arguing that Plaintiff Abrego Garcia presented a danger to the community because local police had supposedly “verified” that he is an active gang member.

So the deportation order appears based on ICE claims off gang affiliation they did not show evidence to support.

In support thereof, ICE offered a Gang Field Interview Sheet (“GFIS”) generated by PGPD. The GFIS explained that the only reason to believe Plaintiff Abrego Garcia was a gang member was that he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie; and that a confidential informant advised that he was an active member of MS-13 with the Westerns clique.

Would be a lot of gang members based on "Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie", that's not super uncommon. But membership of the Westerns, eh?

According to the Department of Justice and the Suffolk County District Attorney’s Office, the “Westerns” clique operates in Brentwood, Long Island, in New York, a state that Plaintiff Abrego Garcia has never lived in.

Except that he's never even lived in the state where that gang operates?

On October 10, 2019, Plaintiff Abrego Garcia was granted withholding of removal pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1232(b)(3)(A), after the immigration judge agreed that he had established it was more likely than not that he would be persecuted by gangs in El Salvador because of a protected ground.

So the deportation order was put on hold.

As a condition of his withholding of removal status, Plaintiff Abrego Garcia is required to check in with ICE once a year, and has been fully compliant. He appeared for his most recent check-in on January 2, 2025, without incident. See Ex. C (ICE check-in record).

And in accordance with court orders, he's made regular check-ins with ICE.

Plaintiff Abrego Garcia has never been arrested or charged with any crime in the U.S. or in El Salvador. There is no known link or association between him and the MS-13 gang. Prince George’s County law enforcement never again questioned him regarding MS-13 or accused him of membership in MS-13.

Again, no MS-13 affiliation or membership.

I'd be curious to see what you're basing your arguments and evidence on.

Since it seems like you're desperately looking to support the abject cruelty of this government as it continues to deport any and every brown person they can seemingly get their hands on.

[Rasulis]

This doesn't even address it. Does it even contest my post? A judge denied him bond and ordered him removed in 2019 based on the strength of evidence that he was a member of MS-13. If you're actually talking about due process, maybe you should look up what happened in 2019. I fail to see that you ever considered consulting sources prior to 2025 to determine whether he received due process prior to a *new* asylum claim.

If you don't contest anything of what I said, but instead want to add what his lawyers claimed six years later, then please clarify. I'm happy to hear that you confirm everything I stated in my post was truthful.

It's a very funny thing that the defenders of due process decide to ignore or conflate actions taken in 2019 by an immigration judge. To put it simply, if a client ruled deportable by a judge for being a member of MS-13 decides to later claim that his membership in MS-13 lets him claim asylum based on what his country does to members of MS-13, the only thing you will look at is what his lawyer says. The immigration judge doesn't actually matter to due process! That's a little shocking. But it's entirely consistent if you believe that you can ignore everything that happened during the Biden Administration, and focus on everything from the Trump Administration. Trump is the tabula rasa, the clean slate for due process(tm).

Why are we even debating this? ICE official admitted in sworn declaration that ICE made a mistake in deporting Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...78815.11.3.pdf

Through administrative error, Abrego-Garcia was removed from the United States
to El Salvador. This was an oversight, and the removal was carried out in good faith based on the
existence of a final order of removal and Abrego-Garcia’s purported membership in MS-13.
I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
Executed this 31st day of March 2025.
Case 8:25-cv-00951-PX Document 11-3 Filed 03/31/25 Page 4 of 4
____________________________
Robert L. Cerna
Acting Field Office Director
Enforcement and Removal Operations
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
U.S. Department of Homeland Security

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Why are we even debating this? ICE official admitted in sworn declaration that ICE made a mistake in deporting Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...78815.11.3.pdf

it's like signalgate

if they just lie about reality and say it's a nothingberder fake news story from a fake, discredited so-called journalist that was the result of a technical glitch then that's the reality of it and their minions will go forth and spread the propaganda because this is not a cult, not a cult at all no sir not one bit please ignore the golden idols they keep building of donald it's not a cult!

[SAY HER NAME]

This doesn't even address it. Does it even contest my post? A judge denied him bond and ordered him removed in 2019 based on the strength of evidence that he was a member of MS-13. If you're actually talking about due process, maybe you should look up what happened in 2019. I fail to see that you ever considered consulting sources prior to 2025 to determine whether he received due process prior to a *new* asylum claim.

If you don't contest anything of what I said, but instead want to add what his lawyers claimed six years later, then please clarify. I'm happy to hear that you confirm everything I stated in my post was truthful.

These are two separate claims you are making. He was ordered deportation bc he was at the time an illegal immigrant. He was denied bond bc the judge believed in ICE that he was an MS13.

Are we arguing than what is claimed in a bond hearing is the absolute truth?

That is the issue here.

Future court hearings he had in which he successfully argued to stay showed that he is not in any police database registered as a member of MS13, that the quest to look for the informant proved unfruitful. And that ICE info about him being MS13 is that an informant told them(both the police officer that talked to the informant and the informant) and his clothing (they were not able to examine the informant).

I do agree that for bond hearing the judge should believe the court a little bit more but that is separate from a CONFIRMATION that he is an MS13 members given that he doesnt seem to appear in any police database as an MS13 member

I dont blame you for believing a distorted case of the Truth given that the vicepresident is lying to our faces and its become hard to get at the truth

[fwc577]

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Now it makes sense why he cut cancer research. I was wondering what sort of grudge he had against cancer, lol.

[Breccia]

Not exactly the first quality I was looking for in a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs:

"Trump then recalled the general saying, "'I love you, sir. I think you're great, sir. I'll kill for you, sir.'"

Trump’s Joint Chiefs Pick Throws President Under Bus in Confirmation Hearing

Retired Lt. Gen. Dan “Razin” Caine told a Senate committee on Tuesday morning he was not wearing a red MAGA hat when he first met Trump in Iraq in 2018—despite Trump claiming he was.

“For 34 years, I’ve upheld my oath of office and my commitment to my commission,” Caine told Sen. Roger Wicker, a Republican, according to Politico. “And I have never worn any political merchandise.”

That explanation, if true, would mean the president’s assertion—that Caine told him he loves him and that he would “kill for you, sir”—before slapping on a MAGA cap, is a bunch of bull.

Instead, the president’s Joint Chiefs pick told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he suspects Trump did have that interaction that day, but it was with someone else at Al Asad air base.

“I went back and listened to those tapes, and I think the president was actually talking about somebody else,” Caine said. “And I’ve never worn any political merchandise or said anything to that effect.”

Trump was lying.

[Edge-]

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Now it makes sense why he cut cancer research. I was wondering what sort of grudge he had against cancer, lol.

gaidax would be very upset to see that he was wrong and donald is indeed focused primarily on a historical revenge tour, if he ever cared. yes i still remember the comments from early in this administation

anyways, get fucked meghan mccain, you stupid dumb bitch whose only accomplishment is being the daughter of john mccain

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Trump was lying.

well we all saw the key tell, donald said he called him "sir"

any time he says that we know he's making shit up

[Rasulis]

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Now it makes sense why he cut cancer research. I was wondering what sort of grudge he had against cancer, lol.

He is clear cutting funding for a broad swath of medical research projects. Cancers, HIV and all kind of infectious diseases, genetics, vaccines, etc. The cuts are threatening decades of US medical research.

[tehdang]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...578815.1.0.pdf

This is the legal filing form March 24, 2025, again linked to you.

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Seems reasonable!



So...is not, and has no affiliation with the street gang. He has been accused of affiliation, but as stated there not "an iota" of evidence.



Righto.

Going back to the 2019 incident -



So not even charged?



So the deportation order appears based on ICE claims off gang affiliation they did not show evidence to support.



Would be a lot of gang members based on "Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie", that's not super uncommon. But membership of the Westerns, eh?



Except that he's never even lived in the state where that gang operates?



So the deportation order was put on hold.



And in accordance with court orders, he's made regular check-ins with ICE.



Again, no MS-13 affiliation or membership.

I'd be curious to see what you're basing your arguments and evidence on.

Since it seems like you're desperately looking to support the abject cruelty of this government as it continues to deport any and every brown person they can seemingly get their hands on.

You understand that my post was regarding the due process from 2019? A plaintiff can make all kinds of claims in a filing from 2025, but recall that a judges ruling is not invalidated by what a lawyer might claim 6 years later. You don’t choose to actually contest anything from my post.