Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Nightmare Queen]

it does seem to be that the cruelty is consistently the point

i think if ICE/CBP agents actually had psych evals most would be drummed out as being sociopaths based on reporting, but that's a separate matter

It actually really freaks me out that these people sighted up to be said agents, and see little to no problem with how people react to them. You'd think that some of them would go "This is fucked up, I quit!", but no.

[Corvus]

There is some talk of a universal 20% tarrif, which would be the highest level since the 1930s. How much will the market fall I'd that goes through?

[xenogear3]

There is some talk of a universal 20% tarrif

To be fair, this is a must.
Without an universal one, the goods can go through a 3rd country and get into US.
It only made a middle man (country) rich.

[Breccia]

There is some talk of a universal 20% tarrif, which would be the highest level since the 1930s. How much will the market fall I'd that goes through?

Trump seems to prefer 25%, and has been dancing semantics around "universal" recently. I think there's a couple of countries he wants to grant exceptions to and needs a way to do that without looking like he's selling out.

The market shouldn't drop. Everyone knows a massive tariff is coming. Anyone in the business of predicting America's fiscal future knew it sucked months ago and should have sold off by now. There will be a drop, but I don't think it'll be a bad one in a single day. The real drop is the 3,000 points since Trump took office.

[minteK917]

The real drop is long term and the total loss of influance. You have China, SK and Japan now saying they will team up to defeat us market war.... you know countries that hate each other and just 12 years ago 2 of them joined the pacific trade agreement to reduce chinas influance championed by the US. Im also looking at Canada and Mexico to probably join the Chinese if this last long enough, rhe Chinese wants the goods and they have always signalled they would ask less a preferential threatement than the US askes, so the proximity bonus might vanish at this rate since china always been willing to be a sensible ally vs the US after half its elections. Since you can never know which kind if retardation the US will vote for next, other countries will move out of giving us preferential trading given enough time europe and Asia seems to be going first, since its easier, other Americas countries will follow eventually, there is a breaking point with the cost of shipping where dealing with the US instabilities is no longer worth crossing only land borders.

[tehdang]

He is not a removable alien btw. He has a withhold of removal, which make him explicitly not a removable alien. If the Trump admin wanted to deport him they would have to go to a court and argue the case to remove his withhold of removal.

This feels important to note bc you seem to think he had due process?

The law on INA 241b3 specifically says "in contrast to asylum, confers only the right not to be deported to a particular country rather than the right to remain." 1208.16 on 241b3, after going through eligibility and burden of proof, states that "nothing in this section or 1208.17 shall prevent the Service from removing an alien to a third country other than the country to which removal has been withheld." Due process is according to the law, and he received it. The lawbreaking happened in the destination for removal, only.

Since other cases involve apparently false MS-13 claims by the government (he was not ordered removable on grounds other than MS-13, as you point out), it's important to point out the cases where the individual had appeals and challenged etc. This man's claim of asylum was rejected, so applying asylum-type law to his case isn't appropriate.

[Draco-Onis]

There is some talk of a universal 20% tarrif, which would be the highest level since the 1930s. How much will the market fall I'd that goes through?

Analysis report from several firms have stated a 20% tariff would guarantee a deep recession if not depression and at least a 25% drop in the stock market within the next 5 years. It's also worth it to point out that those are the "optimistic" forecasts.

[tehdang]

The real drop is long term and the total loss of influance. You have China, SK and Japan now saying they will team up to defeat us market war.... you know countries that hate each other and just 12 years ago 2 of them joined the pacific trade agreement to reduce chinas influance championed by the US. Im also looking at Canada and Mexico to probably join the Chinese if this last long enough, rhe Chinese wants the goods and they have always signalled they would ask less a preferential threatement than the US askes, so the proximity bonus might vanish at this rate since china always been willing to be a sensible ally vs the US after half its elections. Since you can never know which kind if retardation the US will vote for next, other countries will move out of giving us preferential trading given enough time europe and Asia seems to be going first, since its easier, other Americas countries will follow eventually, there is a breaking point with the cost of shipping where dealing with the US instabilities is no longer worth crossing only land borders.

I don't really think China under Xi will ever be "a more sensible ally vs the US after half its elections." It may form some kind of trading block to oppose US tariffs and the like, but it's still China. China hits Philippine vessels and practice-surrounds Taiwan with its ships. Any partnership will never be due to east and south asian countries forgetting the reality of China.

[Breccia]

at least a 25% drop in the stock market within the next 5 years.

Bear in mind, it has already dropped 7% since Trump took office. Trump has been pretty damn cowardly with tariffs so far this term, but I don't think a 25% drop in the markets is all that unreachable considering the damage he's already done.

[SAY HER NAME]

The law on INA 241b3 specifically says "in contrast to asylum, confers only the right not to be deported to a particular country rather than the right to remain." 1208.16 on 241b3, after going through eligibility and burden of proof, states that "nothing in this section or 1208.17 shall prevent the Service from removing an alien to a third country other than the country to which removal has been withheld." Due process is according to the law, and he received it. The lawbreaking happened in the destination for removal, only.

Since other cases involve apparently false MS-13 claims by the government (he was not ordered removable on grounds other than MS-13, as you point out), it's important to point out the cases where the individual had appeals and challenged etc. This man's claim of asylum was rejected, so applying asylum-type law to his case isn't appropriate.

I see where the confusion lies then.

His withhold of removal very specifically states that he should not be deported to el salvador.

Mr. Abrego Garcia appealed the claims that he was a danger to the community and filed a petition for asylum. He was granted “withholding from removal” status in October 2019 by an immigration judge, which protected him from being deported to El Salvador. That status was active — and ICE agents were aware of it — when Mr. Abrego Garcia was placed on a deportation flight last month, according to court documents.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/01/u...-salvador.html

In this case Trump very actively defied courts and didnt give him a chance in a court. Bc he was deported to the place courts had ordered he should not be deported to. That is why this is a scandal.

[fwc577]

Turned on AM Radio this morning while the Conservatives were crying over the Shellacking in the Supreme Court race last night.

Two things...

1- The Republicans will 100% try and run Trump a 3rd term

2- The Republicans see absolutely no path forward without Trump

They whined so hard about how Musk spent millions in Wisconsin in November and it helped Trump then he came back and spent millions here in March leading up to this April election and it did absolutely nothing to help turn out low propensity rural voters and they see no way right now to get those people to turn out.

[Draco-Onis]

Report: Waltz used Gmail for official work

National Security Adviser Michael Waltz and other senior officials used their personal Gmail account for government business, the Washington Post reports.

Why it matters: The administration's handling of sensitive information is already under scrutiny, and Gmail is even less secure than Signal.

Waltz used Gmail for things like his calendar and unclassified work documents.

Those materials are not as sensitive as the attack plans at issue in Waltz's now-infamous Signal thread, but experts told the Post they still should be somewhere more secure than personal email.
Another senior national security aide used Gmail for "highly technical conversations with colleagues at other government agencies involving sensitive military positions and powerful weapons systems relating to an ongoing conflict," the Post reports.
What they're saying: NSC spokesperson Brian Hughes said in a statement to Axios: "This is the latest attempt to distract the American people from President Trump's successful national security agenda that's protecting our nation.

"Let me reiterate, NSA Waltz received emails and calendar invites from legacy contacts on his personal email and cc'd government accounts for anything since January 20th to ensure compliance with records retention, and he has never sent classified material over his personal email account or any unsecured platform."

Republicans care about national security soooo sooo much guys /s

[Kaleredar]

Turned on AM Radio this morning while the Conservatives were crying over the Shellacking in the Supreme Court race last night.

Two things...

1- The Republicans will 100% try and run Trump a 3rd term

2- The Republicans see absolutely no path forward without Trump

They whined so hard about how Musk spent millions in Wisconsin in November and it helped Trump then he came back and spent millions here in March leading up to this April election and it did absolutely nothing to help turn out low propensity rural voters and they see no way right now to get those people to turn out.

Even if they somehow twist and turn themselves around to get Trump a third run I don’t know electable or… lucid… he’d even be, if his bloated orange heart even holds out for the next three years.

[fwc577]

Even if they somehow twist and turn themselves around to get Trump a third run I don’t know electable or… lucid… he’d even be, if his bloated orange heart even holds out for the next three years.

It's all they got and they're going to cement this realization after 2026. They will not win without Trump and so far, we haven't seen anything close to a replacement, even if Trump were out of the way.

Expect a shellacking of Republicans in every election leading up to 2028 General and the GOP will have no idea how to turn out low propensity voters other than running Trump.

[gondrin]

In another somewhat of an L for Trump, the Eric Adams case cannot be brought back up. Seeing as the Judge dismissed it with prejudice. The reason why it is an L for Trump is because he wanted a quid pro quo and couldn't get one. No outright corruption for you. This doesn't mean the case should have been dropped in the first place, however, that is for a different thread.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...fe9d5bf55&ei=6

New York City Mayor Eric Adams' historic federal corruption case has been dropped.

Judge Dale Ho has agreed to the U.S. Department of Justice's request to drop the charges against Adams, but he did so "with prejudice." That means Adams cannot be re-tried on the same charges at a later time - a stipulation the Justice Department sought in its initial request to dismiss the case.

The decision to formally drop the case comes after Judge Ho appointed Paul Clement as a "friend of the court" to present arguments over the DOJ's request. The initial hearing on the request did not include anyone who opposed the move. In his filing to the court, Clement argued the case should be dropped with prejudice to prevent the appearance that Adams remains under political pressure.

The outcome appears to put an end to the legal jeopardy that Adams had been in ever since he was indicted last September on five counts of bribery, conspiracy and campaign finance violations.

In the DOJ request to drop the case, prosecutors said having it hang over Adams interfered with his 2025 mayoral campaign and his ability to cooperate with the Trump administration's crackdown on immigration.

The initial request to drop the charges made note that the decision was not based on "the strength of the evidence or the legal theories on which the case is based."

That triggered concerns that Adams could not effectively govern the city because he would be beholden to the Trump administration, as long as the possibility of the charges returning remained in place.

Adams and his attorneys have vehemently denied any wrongdoing.

Eric Adams is still a con artist but Trump doesn't get the benefit of trying to hold a prison sentence over him. Still a loss for everyone but especially for Trump. And even then, with what has been going on and now Adams basically being tied at the hip with Trump with all of this, he should lose the NYC mayor job in the next election.

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It's all they got and they're going to cement this realization after 2026. They will not win without Trump and so far, we haven't seen anything close to a replacement, even if Trump were out of the way.

Expect a shellacking of Republicans in every election leading up to 2028 General and the GOP will have no idea how to turn out low propensity voters other than running Trump.

Here is a horrific notion.

They are going to Weekend at Bernie's him.

[Kaleredar]

In another somewhat of an L for Trump, the Eric Adams case cannot be brought back up. Seeing as the Judge dismissed it with prejudice. The reason why it is an L for Trump is because he wanted a quid pro quo and couldn't get one. No outright corruption for you. This doesn't mean the case should have been dropped in the first place, however, that is for a different thread.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...fe9d5bf55&ei=6



Eric Adams is still a con artist but Trump doesn't get the benefit of trying to hold a prison sentence over him. Still a loss for everyone but especially for Trump. And even then, with what has been going on and now Adams basically being tied at the hip with Trump with all of this, he should lose the NYC mayor job in the next election.

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Here is a horrific notion.

They are going to Weekend at Bernie's him.

Macabre puppet Trump would be a better president than actual Trump

[Muzjhath]

In another somewhat of an L for Trump, the Eric Adams case cannot be brought back up. Seeing as the Judge dismissed it with prejudice. The reason why it is an L for Trump is because he wanted a quid pro quo and couldn't get one. No outright corruption for you. This doesn't mean the case should have been dropped in the first place, however, that is for a different thread.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...fe9d5bf55&ei=6



Eric Adams is still a con artist but Trump doesn't get the benefit of trying to hold a prison sentence over him. Still a loss for everyone but especially for Trump. And even then, with what has been going on and now Adams basically being tied at the hip with Trump with all of this, he should lose the NYC mayor job in the next election.

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Here is a horrific notion.

They are going to Weekend at Bernie's him.

Tbh, the state of New York ought to drop a rock on the head of the judge.
And the friend of the court.

/serious

The corrupt bastards gotta go

[Breccia]

Trump announces plans to tariff fentanyl.

Tariffing the value of this horrible and deadly drug in order to make it more costly to distribute and buy.

"Wait...what?"

Trump is pressuring former Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and other Republicans he’s labeled “disloyal” in the upper chamber to vote against Democrats’ resolution to bar his emergency declaration to impose tariffs on Canada.

In a post to Truth Social early Wednesday, Trump willed the senators to “hopefully get on the Republican bandwagon, for a change, and fight the Democrats wild and flagrant push to not penalize Canada for the sale, into our Country, of large amounts of Fentanyl, by Tariffing the value of this horrible and deadly drug in order to make it more costly to distribute and buy.”

The message — targeted at McConnell, as well as GOP Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Rand Paul (Ky.) — argued that those who do not stand up to the resolution “are playing with the lives of the American people, and right into the hands of the Radical Left Democrats and Drug Cartels.”

"...he does know it's illegal and being smuggled, right? Tariffs don't apply to those."

Well again, Trump is insisting on using fentanyl as a prop here. The depiction that Canada is intentionally allowing mass amounts of this admittedly harmful drug into the US on purpose is false. There is a negative change that the USA is importing auto parts from Canada, buoyed by the fentanyl trade. He just needs a National Security Lol and that's what he went with. But yes, announcing a tariff on fentanyl is just senile and/or retarded.

[Edge-]

Trump announces plans to tariff fentanyl.



"Wait...what?"



"...he does know it's illegal and being smuggled, right? Tariffs don't apply to those."

Well again, Trump is insisting on using fentanyl as a prop here. The depiction that Canada is intentionally allowing mass amounts of this admittedly harmful drug into the US on purpose is false. There is a negative change that the USA is importing auto parts from Canada, buoyed by the fentanyl trade. He just needs a National Security Lol and that's what he went with. But yes, announcing a tariff on fentanyl is just senile and/or retarded.

irs gonna make a killing on those tariffs paid by the

*checks notes*

drug dealers in the USA

damn man, poor american fent addicts gonna be struggling to keep up with the finflation that's gonna bring.

just more proof that donald is one of the dumbest people alive and republicans think he's very smart

we just have to trust teh economic instincts of a dude that think you can slap tariffs on

*checks notes*

the illegal drug trade roflmao

do you know if drug dealers are good about filing timely and accurate irs reports?

this is so fundamentally unserious it should functionally be the end of his presidency, but it's just tuesday (well, wednesday)

[gondrin]

Trump announces plans to tariff fentanyl.



"Wait...what?"



"...he does know it's illegal and being smuggled, right? Tariffs don't apply to those."

Well again, Trump is insisting on using fentanyl as a prop here. The depiction that Canada is intentionally allowing mass amounts of this admittedly harmful drug into the US on purpose is false. There is a negative change that the USA is importing auto parts from Canada, buoyed by the fentanyl trade. He just needs a National Security Lol and that's what he went with. But yes, announcing a tariff on fentanyl is just senile and/or retarded.

Doesn't that make Trump part drug dealer then since he would, indirectly, be making money off of it? And according to his own logic, shouldn't he also receive the death penalty?