Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Mekh]

I see @tehdang is starting to crash out completely now. Refuge in audacity, because there are no objective ways left to defend what's going on.

[hellhamster]

USA is standing on the precipice right now. Trump is reinacting Hoover's Smoot-Hawley tariff plan, which also went against the economic advisors at the time, which exacerbated the Great Depression.

I don't think there will be a repeat of the Great Depression, we are much better off today. The GDP will shrink, which is the definition of a recession, several sectors which rely on imports will go belly up, others will drive inflation up because manufacturing costs are way up.

Trump can still choose to cave in, or at the very least soften the blow by implementing normal tariffs instead of the insane numbers he gave us, which are based on trade deficits instead of actual reciprocal percentages. I think this is the most likely scenario, because everything else will lead to a guaranteed recession. I don't think his ego can take that, being the president that brought a recession to his own country all by his lonesome.

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I've read several articles concerning USA shooting themselves in the foot, this will bring their competitors like EU and China dominance in world trade.

[Iphie]

USA is standing on the precipice right now. Trump is reinacting Hoover's Smoot-Hawley tariff plan, which also went against the economic advisors at the time, which exacerbated the Great Depression.

I don't think there will be a repeat of the Great Depression, we are much better off today. The GDP will shrink, which is the definition of a recession, several sectors which rely on imports will go belly up, others will drive inflation up because manufacturing costs are way up.

Trump can still choose to cave in, or at the very least soften the blow by implementing normal tariffs instead of the insane numbers he gave us, which are based on trade deficits instead of actual reciprocal percentages. I think this is the most likely scenario, because everything else will lead to a guaranteed recession. I don't think his ego can take that, being the president that brought a recession to his own country all by his lonesome.

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I've read several articles concerning USA shooting themselves in the foot, this will bring their competitors like EU and China dominance in world trade.

Soo...I don't think his ego can take caving in either. He backed himself into a corner where the only options are:

- Go down with the ship or
- Come out fighting (i.e. start a war)

As for the update, it would be nice if the EU could get their collective fingers out of their ass and unite already in order to better deal with the US and russia. (not very likely with some countries I know, but at least Wilders is falling from grace somewhat, so the Netherlands might get less eurosceptic.)

[Mayhem]

Let's see how much 40% less container freight at the port of LA impacts the haulage industry.

So round about 140.000 TEUs less, per month.

[Doomcookie]

Dems love their unaccountable government agencies, that's for sure. Who cares about their abuses?

Next up: Never seen anyone so pro-cancer!

Dems could reinstitute slavery while just getting their supporters to say "Opposing this means you hate oversight! And love loan sharks! And you're ignoring societal problems."

He probably won't, but it would still be the perfect pairing.

All of this feels very low energy.

You can try harder to defend evil, next time.

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I thought the left never speak of "immigrants, and even citizens" as if they were two distinct groups! No, your ignorance on this matter betrays your lack of concern. Perhaps you meant to say illegal aliens, or maybe it was student visa holders in illegal encampments on university campuses that cheer Hamas and October 7th? I'm sure you can find a real disagreement between us that lies behind this bluster.

But if you're just fighting strawmen instead of me, or want to pretend I'm Stephen Miller, you won't catch me occupying positions I don't support in order to give you something to fight.

But, whenever anyone calls you out on your positions, like defending multiple rapists, you refuse to answer, then ignore them.

[Mekh]

All of this feels very low energy.

They're all tired of all the winning.

[Doomcookie]

They're all tired of all the winning.

I'm still wondering why he keeps trying to lie about being a Trump supporter. If everyone in the room knows a person is lying, what's the point?

[Mekh]

I'm still wondering why he keeps trying to lie about being a Trump supporter. If everyone in the room knows a person is lying, what's the point?

Trump's official press secretaries never cared, why should the unofficial ones?

[Poopymonster]

Not entirely comparable, the nsdap never had full control of the government up until the coup.

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So you're pro student debt and pro cancer?

What comes after weird?

After being pro rapist and pro nazi, this is just pizza wheel time.
All edge, no point.

[Timester]

Not entirely comparable, the nsdap never had full control of the government up until the coup.

Uh, there was no coup, it was all done legally after a red flag (Reichstag fire) operation.

[diller]

Soo...I don't think his ego can take caving in either.

I think he can, he just plays it off as a win like he always does.

Him flip-flopping on tariffs has been spun as a genius move already, his cult will believe whatever they are told.

[Breccia]

Next up: Never seen anyone so pro-cancer!

Well, Trump ordered the remnants of the CFPB to go after people abusing medical debt...but cut the department by 90% so they can do barely nothing...so people will avoid medical treatment, knowing they could be put into inescapable debt their entire life. Especially with Trump trying to kill the ACA.

And you praised the move.

So, guess what? Yes. You are pro-cancer.

By virtue of making it more difficult and more expensive to seek medical treatment, I am in fact pro-cancer

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there are no objective ways left to defend what's going on.

His refusal to condemn such acts in the person he supports and approves of will continue to be read as support and approval of the acts as well. For example, being in favor of people avoiding cancer treatment they cannot afford and dying of cancer. Not exactly a big step, he's also in favor of deporting Americans accused of crimes to another country he claims is filled with crime and rapists.

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Trump can still choose to cave in

He's a bully and a coward. At least the good news is, the rest of the world seems to have figured that out.

[Odinfrost]

He's a bully and a coward. At least the good news is, the rest of the world seems to have figured that out.

Took long enough

[NED funded]

A lot of things can be said about how certain gov orgs have names like "pls dont kill the puppies" that make people that oppose them look bad. The question here is why is that org bad. The CFPB AFAIK doesnt abuse their powers? Their job is to protect customers from things like excessive fees and poorly regulated new products. Now what is the argument here? That its regulations have not been passed by congress? We already have a supreme court ruling that fixed that issue.

Why is the CFPB bad? I will put an example on why I think EPA reviews are bad and they need to be scrapped and start from zero. EPA reviews take 4 years to complete, they dont offer any protection, they dont help in permitting processes, you can still be sued for environmental despite having passed the EPA reviews and often you will have to do multiple EPA reviews if your project gets delayed for any reason (like lawsuits)

What is the argument against the CFPB?

[Mayhem]

Uh, there was no coup, it was all done legally after a red flag (Reichstag fire) operation.

Fair, it wasn't a coup d'état, they just seized power and dismantled the democracy which is not what the people voted for, like at all, but true, it was legally done. Still, not a majority voted for them so even if it was their known plan they weren't voted into power to do it.

[NED funded]

Having read the court of appeals ruling its genuinely beautiful.

It is, as we have noted, all too possible to see in this case an incipient crisis, but it
may present an opportunity as well. We yet cling to the hope that it is not naïve to believe
our good brethren in the Executive Branch perceive the rule of law as vital to the American
ethos. This case presents their unique chance to vindicate that value and to summon the
best that is within us while there is still time.

In sum, and for the reasons foregoing, we deny the motion for the stay pending
appeal and the writ of mandamus in this case. It is so ordered.

[ringpriest]

Soo...I don't think his ego can take caving in either. He backed himself into a corner where the only options are:

- Go down with the ship or
- Come out fighting (i.e. start a war)

As for the update, it would be nice if the EU could get their collective fingers out of their ass and unite already in order to better deal with the US and russia. (not very likely with some countries I know, but at least Wilders is falling from grace somewhat, so the Netherlands might get less eurosceptic.)

While I wouldn't want to completely discount the possibility of Trump completely destroying the United States rather than admit he was ever wrong about anything (which seems to be the path that country is on right now), a "short, victorious war" seems to be his most obvious course. I expect Iran is the most likely target, with current "negotiations" serving as a fig-leaf casus belli, although I confess I haven't been paying attention to recent rhetoric targeting Mexico, Canada, and Greenland/Denmark. Is America's dictator still raving about invading his neighbors, or has his attention moved on to some new target? (He seems awfully obsessed with tariffs for the moment.)

[Ivanstone]

Dems love their unaccountable government agencies, that's for sure. Who cares about their abuses?

They're accountable which is why Trump canned them. Meanwhile Trump is dodging court orders left and right.

[ringpriest]

I'm still wondering why he keeps trying to lie about being a Trump supporter. If everyone in the room knows a person is lying, what's the point?

Being allowed to stay in the room while lying to everyone's face is, itself, a demonstration of power. That's why civilized places kick the Nazis out as soon as they show themselves. Once you tolerate Nazis, you're now a Nazi bar, even if your regulars still come in and refuse to sit at the tables with the Nazis.

[Soulwind]

Being allowed to stay in the room while lying to everyone's face is, itself, a demonstration of power. That's why civilized places kick the Nazis out as soon as they show themselves. Once you tolerate Nazis, you're now a Nazi bar, even if your regulars still come in and refuse to sit at the tables with the Nazis.

See, in this case it is more about how the regulars keep coming back to argue with the nazis, and that provides good business for the bar.

If they kick the nazis out permanently, or ask too many questions when one of them comes back with a fake mustache, then the regulars won't come as often.

And given that the bar isn't quite as popular as it once was, well, they take what they can. Providing a good environment for the regulars or, god forbid, taking a stance against those nazis simply isn't a priority.