Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Kaleredar]

Walmart and the big box stores should be strategic with the tariffs and make the shelves empty in Republican states first. That way the constituents that voted for this get a taste of what erecting the Berlin wall they asked for feels like.

That’d be great.

But they’re interested in making money, not in making moral statements. And if I had to take a cracking guess at who these mega corporations support at almost every turn, it’s republicans.

Because in whatever poorer state the US is going to find itself going through, they still want workers to have as few rights as possible, have to pay as little tax as possible, and have as little regulation and oversight as possible. And they know they’ll get that with the republicans, and not so much with the democrats.

They aren’t bold enough to stand up to the devil, but they will try and curry favor for the cushiest spot in hell they can.

[Tech614]

Walmart and the big box stores should be strategic with the tariffs and make the shelves empty in Republican states first. That way the constituents that voted for this get a taste of what erecting the Berlin wall they asked for feels like.

It will literally be the opposite. Densely populated blue cities would be the first to run into stock issues as those stores have way more foot traffic and need steady flows of stock.

The republican areas in bum fuck no where will have their stock last longer because there is less people to buy it.

[Mayhem]

Well the idea is twofold:
1: Congress may not be available, historically, it could take a while to get them all together, and an imminent attack would warrant a war NOW rather than whenever Congress could get quorum. Alternatively, Congress (or enough of them to make quorum impossible) could be dead, and this allows the President to act on their own.
2: Congress can be slow, and that's good sometimes and bad sometimes. If say, Russia attacked Maine and half of Congress was debating if we should just cede it to them, a president could say "Fuck that" and bomb the shit out of Russia for a couple months.

So, it has its uses, but for the past 60 years or so, it's generally been used for "Police Actions", Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan etc... none of which got a formal declaration of war.

So we have precedent for the bad shit and none for the good? Then make it to only be acceptable as a defense measure instead of a workaround to a formal declaration of war. Also does that mean currently as it stands, the president could just cede Maine to an attacking enemy?

[Tech614]

So, it has its uses, but for the past 60 years or so, it's generally been used for "Police Actions", Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan etc... none of which got a formal declaration of war.

Not declaration of war, but all of those conflicts had congressional approval.

The type of shit you seen done with this act is the smaller scale stuff done in africa, syria, yemen(which they are doing now) etc. The type of conflicts typically NOT in main stream news circulation and only mentioned now because all things Drump are reported.

This act has never been used to start a conflict on the scale of the ones you named. Those are not examples of a president going above congress to start a war, congress was down with all of them. The Iraq war even had 29 Dem votes in the senate and 81 Dem votes in the house. Like not even just a republican approval- the shit was bipartisan.

[DarkTZeratul]

Not declaration of war, but all of those conflicts had congressional approval.

The type of shit you seen done with this act is the smaller scale stuff done in africa, syria, yemen(which they are doing now) etc. The type of conflicts typically NOT in main stream news circulation and only mentioned now because all things Drump are reported.

This act has never been used to start a conflict on the scale of the ones you named. Those are not examples of a president going above congress to start a war, congress was down with all of them. The Iraq war even had 29 Dem votes in the senate and 81 Dem votes in the house. Like not even just a republican approval- the shit was bipartisan.

It's important to note, too, that the War Powers Act does not "allow" presidents to commit military action for 60 days without Congressional approval; it limits them to only 60 days without Congressional approval, a restriction that would not otherwise be present (it was passed after Richard Nixon did a bunch of war crimes in Cambodia without notifying Congress at all). It's also important to note that the 60-day limit has been violated, repeatedly, and Congress has never really acted on that.

Anyway, in case you're curious, it's been used for the 1999 bombing campaign in Kosovo, the 2011 military intervention in Libya, various interventions in Syria between 2012 and 2017, and the 2020 assassination of General Soleimani in Iran.

[gondrin]

So, Brit Hume of Fox News basically said Trump has no idea what the hell he is talking about when it comes to Ukraine. Like anyone is shocked there.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...66213213&ei=27

Hume appeared on Wednesday’s Special Report on Fox News, where Bret Baier pointed to a Truth Social post from Trump, who said Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has “no cards to play” against Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Baier then aired a clip of Trump saying it’s been “harder” to deal with Zelensky than Putin.

Hume responded:

He keeps pounding Zelensky and saying it’s harder to deal with him than it is with Putin. Putin, so far as I can tell, hasn’t agreed to much of anything except yes, he’d love to annex Crimea, which is part of the proposal that’s before him now. That’s no concession. All that is, is taking a gain. Zelensky resists that because Crimea, up until the Russians invaded it 10 years or so ago, was part of Ukraine. So, I’m not exactly sure what the president’s talking about when he says that Zelensky has been more difficult to deal with than Putin.

Earlier in the day, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt accused Zelensky of “trying to litigate this peace negotiation in the press.”

“The president’s national security team, his advisers, has exuded significant time, energy, and effort to try to bring this war to an end,” she said. “The American taxpayer has funded billions of dollars in this effort. And enough is enough. The president’s frustrated. His patience is running very thin.”

[s_bushido]

So, Brit Hume of Fox News basically said Trump has no idea what the hell he is talking about when it comes to Ukraine.

There you go. No need to thank me.

But yeah...the only people this would be news to are the morons who watch Fox. So at least they might have seen this.

[Gorsameth]

The WSJ isn't having this.



Imagine writing the sentence "the President started listening to reality". Imagine looking it over and saying "yes, this is a fair and accurate representation of the situation". Imagine thinking "gosh, I've literally never had to write this sentence before".



The best indication of that last line is the absence/silence of our usual trolls. This is too much for even them to pretend to defend.



This is the WSJ, remember, a traditionally right-leaning source.

"They must really regret endorsing Trump, huh?"

They endorsed neither candidate.

"They must really regret endorsing neither candidate, huh?"

Yes.

The notion that Trump is finally listening to reality is a damn lie. He isn't and I feel confident in saying he will do another reality defying thing within the next 3 weeks because this is Trump we are talking about.

How many times do people need to be hit over the head before they can finally bring themselves to admit that the guy is utterly divorced from reality.

[gondrin]

So, here is something a bit on the nose that ties this Administration and Nazism. As if there weren't enough evidence, this is a bit too direct.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lo...0f789492&ei=16

What appeared at first glance to Barnard College employees to be a fake text scheme inquiring whether they were Jewish was confirmed Wednesday by school administrators as a legitimate government text message.

The eyebrow-raising text message hit the personal cellphones belonging to numerous current and past employees on Monday with a survey link “that looked, at first, like a scam,” according to the New York Times.

“The text said it was from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, part of a review of the employment practices of Barnard. A link led to a survey that asked respondents if they were Jewish or Israeli, and if they had been subjected to harassment,” the Times said.

It was all part of what appears to be “part of an aggressive new tactic by the Trump administration to collect reports of alleged antisemitism at Barnard, a women’s college affiliated with Columbia University that has come under heavy criticism for pro-Palestinian demonstrations on its campus,” the report stated.

While Barnard’s general counsel Serena Longley told staff in an email that “participation in the survey is voluntary,” some at the college still found the questionnaire troubling.

Debbie Becher told the Times she found it “a bit terrifying” to her as a Jew that the federal government “wants to know who the Jews are through some text message and Microsoft Office form.”

“Clearly, it made everyone scared,” said added. “I’ve been getting text messages from my former graduate students and other faculty members — I still am — asking what they should do.”

“We’ve seen this movie before, and it ends with yellow stars,” added Nara Milanich, a Barnard history professor. She told the Times the survey “reminded her of her research into 1930s Italy, when lists of Jews were put together by the local government.”

What was also troubling to her was that the Trump administration appeared to be “fishing for reports of antisemitism,” according to the Times.

And to tie onto this, Trump is actively going after accreditors for colleges among other things.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tr...0f789492&ei=24

President Trump on Wednesday signed an executive order aiming to change the college accreditation process so colleges are accredited based on "results," with the president wondering aloud about looking into the math capabilities of students admitted to Harvard University and Yale University.

The president also signed an order to enforce laws on the books requiring universities to disclose when they accept large foreign gifts, with one of Mr. Trump's top aides specifically calling out Harvard as a school they believe has violated the law. Federal law requires higher education institutions that receive federal funds to disclose any gifts or contracts from a foreign source valued at $250,000 or more in a calendar year, and some in Congress are trying to lower that threshold to $50,000.

The new executive orders come as the president has singled out Harvard University. His administration has frozen billions in federal funding to Harvard, demanded sweeping changes to school policies and suggested it should lose its tax-exempt status.

Colleges and universities are accredited to ensure they meet basic standards by third-party entities, not the federal government, though the Department of Education decides which accrediting agencies to recognize. The accreditation process has broad implications since the government uses it to determine which schools are allowed to participate in federal student aid programs, which distribute billions in student loans and grants.

The executive order directs the Department of Education to "hold accountable" any college accreditors that "fail to meet the applicable recognition criteria or otherwise violate Federal law" — including by terminating or suspending the accreditors' federal recognition. It specifically singles out accrediting agencies that require schools to "engage in unlawful discrimination ... under the guise of 'diversity, equity, and inclusion' initiatives." The order also says the Department of Education should start recognizing new college accreditors.

The Trump administration believes accreditation entities have become too focused on "woke ideology" instead of results, White House staff secretary Will Scharf said. The executive order Mr. Trump signed affects law schools and graduate programs as well.

"The basic idea is to force accreditation to be focused on the merit and the actual results that these universities are providing, as opposed to how woke these universities have gotten," Scharf said ahead of Mr. Trump signing the executive order. "So we're setting up new accreditation pathways, we're charging the Department of Education to really look holistically at this accreditation mess and hopefully make it much better."

Mr. Trump wanted to know if the executive order he was signing will "look into" people who he says go to prestigious schools like Harvard or Princeton but can't do basic math.

"Will we look into the past people that they've taken?" Mr. Trump asked Scharf. "For instance, I hear all about certain great schools. And then we read where they're going to teach people basic math, math that we can all do very easily, but they can't do there."

"When universities are not performing appropriately, whether that's in admission or whether that's in their actual instructional activities, that's certainly something that accreditors should be considering that right now we believe they're not doing a good enough job of," Scharf responded.

The president also signed an executive order charging federal departments and agencies to make sure universities are following the law in disclosing the acceptance of large foreign gifts.

"We believe that certain universities, including, for example, Harvard, have routinely violated this law and this law has not been effectively enforced," Scharf said. "So this executive order charges your departments and agencies with enforcing the laws on the books with respect to foreign gifts to American universities."

Scharf didn't offer evidence or details on how Harvard has allegedly violated the foreign gift disclosure law. Harvard told CBS News in a statement it has filed foreign gift reporting reports "for decades as part of its ongoing compliance with the law."

Harvard University on Monday announced it filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration, alleging the administration unlawfully froze billions in federal funding. Tensions have escalated between the administration and Harvard, which had rejected the administration's demands to change many of the school's policies and leadership. Several other schools, including Columbia University, have faced similar funding freezes, with the Trump administration alleging the schools have responded inadequately to antisemitism.

The president on Wednesday also signed executive actions to ensure the effectiveness and efficiency of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs), make sure schoolchildren are adequately trained in artificial intelligence, boost apprenticeships and allow educators to enforce school discipline policies.

This comes from the man who can't even read basic text.

[Flarelaine]

tracking people?

do you think RFK Jr. will want to give them all a number?

Maybe tattoo'd on them?

Does he still think there are no autistic adults?

I choose to think of this as a version of Marvel's mutant registry. We'd be in illustrious company. For a while anyway.

[Breccia]

The notion that Trump is finally listening to reality is a damn lie.

Maybe they meant in the short term. We'll see how long this lasts before senile, retarded Trump sees the yen symbol on a passing cloud and puts tariffs on New Zealand penguins again.

[Draco-Onis]

$Trump coin is surging again on plans for a dinner with the president and the token's top holders

$Trump coin surged as much as 71%Wednesday after plans were announced for an investor dinner with the president.
A dinner for the top 220 token holders is scheduled for May 22 in Washington, D.C.
The top 25 holders will attend a reception and a VIP White House tour, according to the token's website.

Totally not open corruption guys.

in other more Nazi themed news

Wife of Kilmar Abrego García Moved to Safe House After DHS Shares Home Address on X: 'I Don't Feel Safe'

Jennifer Vasquez Sura, the wife of Kilmar Abrego García, a Maryland man wrongfully deported to El Salvador, was moved to a safe house with her children due to safety concerns after the Department of Homeland Security posted a court document online that exposed her family's home address to its 2.4 million followers.

Giving out her address so their MAGA crazies can target her and her kids.

[Fugus]

Said this before but I am really wondering this if anyone has the answer. Will just quote the previous post.

One thing I wonder. Trump being able to start a conflict for 30-90 days (can’t remember how long) without congressional approval. What is to stop him from just restarting it every time it’s up to pass that time limit on just another false pretense over and over again?

I mean even if they don’t actually sign onto it, if they don’t remove him, what is to stop him from just restarting it every time it’s about to expire?

[Breccia]

FOX News reports that Trump is holding a rally for himself to celebrate his first 100 days. *ding*

In Michigan.

"Don't his threatened tariffs specifically damage the auto industry?"

Yes.

Now, FOX News does their best to put a spin on this, bringing up Trump's victory in 2016 for example. But...they left comments on...soooooooo...

It doesn't matter how much damage he's done to the economy or how many people he's hurt since his re-election. His rallies are not for other people. His rallies are for him. He lives for adulation. He craves praise and will always want rallies and parades on his behalf. Thats why he appoints only loyalists who offer constant flattery and blind allegiance. It's also why, going back to the beginning of his first term, he was so adamant about the inflated crowd size of his inauguration. Although the word narcissist tends to be overused in today's vernacular, Trump truly provides an example of what narcism is. His thirst for praise would be comical if it weren't so pathetic. Im sure MAGA will be there for him though, they always are.

Moderated comment, on FOX News.

Celebration? It is, arguably, the worst First 100 Days of any president in history. The poll numbers, even by Fox and Rasmussen, seem to agree.

That's a reference to FOX News again, so *ding*

Trump is threatening to deport immigration lawyers who are born in this country. Can any honestly defend this?

VATICAN CITY —JD Vance will represent Satan at Pope Francis’s funeral this weekend, the Devil confirmed on Thursday.

In a rare public statement, the Prince of Darkness said that he could not attend the funeral himself because it conflicts with a Tesla board meeting.

Explaining his choice of Vance, Beelzebub said, “If you can’t have me, JD is the next best thing.”

But longtime Vatican-watcher Harland Dorrinson criticized Satan’s decision to send Vance, noting, “With Trump in attendance, this seems like overkill.”

I'll remind you, FOX News moderates these.

Yeah... there's lots to celebrate... ( insert eye roll here ).....

At least that one's on topic.

Damn few things to celebrate. Loss of close international friends and partners. Tanking of economy. Higher costs and taxes. Unemployment. The only ones celebrating are the Chinese and the Russians. They hope Trump stays in office forever.

"I get it. You're searching through for the negative comments."

Actually, this is every single post in order. No searching required.

EDIT: Okay I lost half the post somehow, but you get the idea. There's one good, pro-Trump post now:

Democrats better hope that Trumps tariffs fail because if he is right they may never win the Presidency again. It is too early to celebrate.

Even serious Trump supporters think this is a bad idea. The rally is for Trump to jerk off.

[Gorsameth]

Said this before but I am really wondering this if anyone has the answer. Will just quote the previous post.

He doesn't need to restart it, he can simply use "I don't care about the rules, what are you going to do about it. Nothing".

What stops the President? Congress.
What if Congress doesn't? No one, except god via the 2nd amendment.

[Fugus]

He doesn't need to restart it, he can simply use "I don't care about the rules, what are you going to do about it. Nothing".

What stops the President? Congress.
What if Congress doesn't? No one, except god via the 2nd amendment.

Him ignoring it is one possible situation but then he has a lot of possible pushback from it. But him just waiting till right as the deadline hits and then creating another false reason to restart the clock.

What would stop him from going that route?

[Gorsameth]

Him ignoring it is one possible situation but then he has a lot of possible pushback from it. But him just waiting till right as the deadline hits and then creating another false reason to restart the clock.

What would stop him from going that route?

again, Congress. If they had any balls.

[Fugus]

again, Congress. If they had any balls.

Wasn’t sure if the courts could actually try a say if he did and was sued for it.

Like “we are sending troops to position x for reason y” followed by “we are sending troops to position x for reason z” right afterwards.

[Breccia]

What stops the President? Congress.
What if Congress doesn't?

Honestly, even the GOP members of the House and Senate might take issue with Trump starting a war in the Middle East. I appreciate your skepticism, but those wars never go well and they need to be re-elected, so there's a chance.

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Donald Trump, man who claims to this day he won 2020, fights court orders that he stop doing his illegal executive orders, who launched infinity percent tariffs to depress the world economy, the man who led a terrorist insurrection then pardoned those terrorists, and the man who is trying to force voting laws to benefit him, calls Harvard a threat to democracy.

Well, you know how this goes.

Until I directly comment on this issue, I also agree with and support that a privately-run school is a greater threat to democracy than domestic terrorism led by my chosen candidate. I admit that those priorities are based on nothing but personal opinion, and not any actual measure of crimes committed or other measuring system. I am proud to publicly declare my support of terrorism over an educational facility by my lack of dissent with my chosen candidate's words and actions.

By the way, @tehdang if you fail to comment I'll also have no choice but to assume you support the DEI issue, and as such, you just don't like brown people. Very easy to dissent, one sentence should do it.

[No Kings Voter]

Honestly, even the GOP members of the House and Senate might take issue with Trump starting a war in the Middle East. I appreciate your skepticism, but those wars never go well and they need to be re-elected, so there's a chance.

"Starting a war" .... <chuckles softly> you say this while we're on day 65 of Trump's- Special-30-Day-Operation-in-Yemen.
Startling that the GOp and Greenwald Simps would suddenly stop making this an issue soon as the GOP is in charge...

• Lost about a billion worth of drones.
• CENTCCOM depleted all thier munitions for the AOR and are now raiding INDOCOM for supplies and task groups.
• Relocated Patriots and THAAD defense systems from Europe
• Looking to help Yemen expand ground operations

It's the TIKTOK of the Iraq War, but TIKTOK suddenly doesnt want to talk about it.