Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Xath]

They have started arresting judges I thought we had a year before civil war looking like I was wrong.

[Edge-]

They have started arresting judges I thought we had a year before civil war looking like I was wrong.

i mean it's making a great argument to dismantle ice entirely because it seems like a pretty rogue agency of racist shitlords

[Doomcookie]

Whose job is it to get those voters to vote for them?

Yours.

You failed us all.

[NineSpine]

Yours.

You failed us all.

My 100+ hours of phone banking couldn't turn around a bad campaign. What were you doing?

[Edge-]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hout...y?id=121099082

The cost of the air campaign has grown as additional assets have been moved into the region, according to U.S. officials, who said it cost an estimated $200 million worth of munitions in early April and that the costs were soon expected to increase to $1 billion.

So Donald is expanding the airstrikes against Houthi rebels, looks like we're going to be spending upwards of $1B on munitions alone.

How's it going so far?

Seven Reaper drones have been brought down by the Houthis since the beginning of March, with six of them occurring since March 15 and three of them over the past week, the official said.

Is that...a lot?

At least 15 Reapers have been brought down by the Houthis since October 2023, when they began targeting commercial shipping in the Red Sea region in what they claim was done in support of Hamas.

Ok so 15 since October 2023, minus the seven since March means that Biden lost 8 drones in the span of around 15 months.

Donald has lost 7 in the span of 2 months.

But surely at least the campaign is a YUGE SUCCESS?

Congressional staffers were recently briefed that the airstrike campaign had experienced only limited success in destroying Houthi military weapons supplies, such as drones, missiles and command and control operations, much of which is stored in underground bunkers. The impact has been limited because the Houthis have fortified those bunkers, officials said.

Oh...limited success?

Are the Houthis in the Signal chat?

[Endus]

No, because right at the beginning the other parties were outlawed and put in concentration camps, but let's ignore that minor detail.

In later '33, yes. The dates I listed were the rise in power of the Nazi Party before they gained precedence and control over the government. Possibly not so much the very last of those elections, which was post-Hitler-as-Chancellor, but '28-'32? No Nazi power in government, really. They went from nobodies (7th strongest party) in '28 to the primary opposition party by '32.

Right now the Democrats should be fighting not waiting.

And how, pray tell, do you expect a Democratic official to "fight" within the bounds of their position? Because once we're outside those bounds, they're not that different from the average citizen.

I don't agree that loud condemnations and critiques qualify as "fighting". Words are generally empty. It needs to be action.

That's hardly comparable.

I do not see how it's not. Both scapegoated groups of undesirables, and pushed to deport them first, before industrializing their elimination. Sure, the Republicans have rushed the shift towards death camps faster than the Nazis (as CECOT in El Salvador almost certainly qualifies), and they're working with an ally rather than annexing the nation outright, but I don't see those as particularly meaningful distinctions in this particular regard.

The USA is already shipping residents off to death camps. "It's only a handful so far" is not a reasonable counterpoint, IMO. Any number beyond 0 is unacceptable.

I am not saying people should wait for politicians, I am saying the fucking politicians shouldn't wait. Right now the democrats are playing by the rules and you absolve them of any responsibility and instead want the citizens to take the lead. Sorry but that makes no fucking sense.

I'm not "absolving them of any responsibility". There's little they can actually do without stepping outside the functions of their position. Any real action is going to involve lawbreaking, even if it's as minor as "losing" or leaking important documents to gum things up. And once you're engaging in lawbreaking-type action, all their position really provides them is access.

Frankly, we're talking about another January 6, just by Democratic supporters, at that point. I'm not sure what you expect Democrats in office to actually do, within the bounds of their positions. They can't pass bills; they don't have the votes. Filibustering just wastes time (not entirely invaluable, but just delays things, doesn't prevent them). Republicans won't negotiate with them.

You can't at the same time compare the current republican administration with the beginnings of a fascist takeover and expect them to run free and fair elections. Sorry to say this but if their goal is to remain in power then the voters are out of the equation already.

Where did I say I expect the electoral system to remain untouched?

I said waiting for sitting Democrats to fix it is, fundamentally, relying on that electoral system to fix it. I'm arguing against that. I'm arguing direct widespread action. By far more than sitting Democrats.

[tehdang]

I wonder if @tehdang will find reasonable justification to argue that while this is a terrible mistake this isn't part of a campaign of terror being carried out by this administration or anything

Is this the trolling part, where you flip the standard to proving a negative? Sorry, I don’t buy into a premise of “This is a link, now prove to me the negative that this is not what I say it is.”

Nobody is above the law.

Alleged to have assisted an illegal alien evade arrest by misleading ICE officers. ICE officers pursuing a lawful detainer previously negotiated with the chief judge. The good news is the judicial system regards her as innocent until proven guilty, and she will receive trial according to due process.

Maybe this is a learning process for people that think judges are immune from the law? Or maybe people are confused about the difference between a judge rendering a judgement or order, and the judge’s conduct? You’ll have to explain your position more than juvenile games that assign the burden of evidence.

[Edge-]

Is this the trolling part, where you flip the standard to proving a negative? Sorry, I don’t buy into a premise of “This is a link, now prove to me the negative that this is not what I say it is.”

Nobody is above the law.

Alleged to have assisted an illegal alien evade arrest by misleading ICE officers. ICE officers pursuing a lawful detainer previously negotiated with the chief judge. The good news is the judicial system regards her as innocent until proven guilty, and she will receive trial according to due process.

Maybe this is a learning process for people that think judges are immune from the law? Or maybe people are confused about the difference between a judge rendering a judgement or order, and the judge’s conduct? You’ll have to explain your position more than juvenile games that assign the burden of evidence.

nobody is above the law but we must continually take the word of ICE and this administration on good faith despite the fact that it's been 3 months of nonstop objective lies, apparently, yes.

maybe this is a learning process where fascism needs to arrive on your personal doorstep before you notice any of the signs? or maybe you are confused about the difference between lawful arrests and the administration doing exactly what the explicitly promised to do and weaponizing the government against political opponents, who very much include any judges that give undocumented immigrants due process and make them aware of their rights (because they have rights)

i'm just wondering what the justification is because you always pop up to argue how the outrageous behavior of this administration is actually quote reasonable and normal so i was wondering how it would play out this time.

[NineSpine]

Is this the trolling part, where you flip the standard to proving a negative? Sorry, I don’t buy into a premise of “This is a link, now prove to me the negative that this is not what I say it is.”

Nobody is above the law.

Alleged to have assisted an illegal alien evade arrest by misleading ICE officers. ICE officers pursuing a lawful detainer previously negotiated with the chief judge. The good news is the judicial system regards her as innocent until proven guilty, and she will receive trial according to due process.

Maybe this is a learning process for people that think judges are immune from the law? Or maybe people are confused about the difference between a judge rendering a judgement or order, and the judge’s conduct? You’ll have to explain your position more than juvenile games that assign the burden of evidence.

Aren't you here to defend the guy that ordered investigations of his own wrongdoing to be dismantled?

[Edge-]

Aren't you here to defend the guy that ordered investigations of his own wrongdoing to be dismantled?

that's just improving efficiency by firing investigators investigating his companies because you see then thats fewer people on government payrolls! savings!

[NineSpine]

In later '33, yes. The dates I listed were the rise in power of the Nazi Party before they gained precedence and control over the government. Possibly not so much the very last of those elections, which was post-Hitler-as-Chancellor, but '28-'32? No Nazi power in government, really. They went from nobodies (7th strongest party) in '28 to the primary opposition party by '32.



And how, pray tell, do you expect a Democratic official to "fight" within the bounds of their position? Because once we're outside those bounds, they're not that different from the average citizen.

I don't agree that loud condemnations and critiques qualify as "fighting". Words are generally empty. It needs to be action.



I do not see how it's not. Both scapegoated groups of undesirables, and pushed to deport them first, before industrializing their elimination. Sure, the Republicans have rushed the shift towards death camps faster than the Nazis (as CECOT in El Salvador almost certainly qualifies), and they're working with an ally rather than annexing the nation outright, but I don't see those as particularly meaningful distinctions in this particular regard.

The USA is already shipping residents off to death camps. "It's only a handful so far" is not a reasonable counterpoint, IMO. Any number beyond 0 is unacceptable.



I'm not "absolving them of any responsibility". There's little they can actually do without stepping outside the functions of their position. Any real action is going to involve lawbreaking, even if it's as minor as "losing" or leaking important documents to gum things up. And once you're engaging in lawbreaking-type action, all their position really provides them is access.

Frankly, we're talking about another January 6, just by Democratic supporters, at that point. I'm not sure what you expect Democrats in office to actually do, within the bounds of their positions. They can't pass bills; they don't have the votes. Filibustering just wastes time (not entirely invaluable, but just delays things, doesn't prevent them). Republicans won't negotiate with them.



Where did I say I expect the electoral system to remain untouched?

I said waiting for sitting Democrats to fix it is, fundamentally, relying on that electoral system to fix it. I'm arguing against that. I'm arguing direct widespread action. By far more than sitting Democrats.

Nobody is arguing that we should wait for the Democrats. The argument is that the opposition political party has to do something besides shrug. They lost to this guy. It's on them to build the political capital to beat him.

[Templar 331]

Maybe this is a learning process for people that think judges are immune from the law?

Amazing. You believe Trump is above the law and judicial orders but a judge is not because ICE had their feelings hurt.

[Nymrohd]

Maybe this is a learning process for people that think judges are immune from the law? Or maybe people are confused about the difference between a judge rendering a judgement or order, and the judge’s conduct? You’ll have to explain your position more than juvenile games that assign the burden of evidence.

Indeed. The only person who we are learning in this process is above the law, are Trump loyalists spending fund meant to honor fallen police officers to get fillers.

[gondrin]

Well, as I said, the Judge that got arrested is already released.

https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump...f-6dfb44f70000

Judge Hannah Dugan, a Milwaukee judge who was arrested by the FBI on accusations she helped a man evade immigration authorities, appeared briefly in federal court Friday before being released from custody.

Her next court appearance is May 15.

“Judge Dugan wholeheartedly regrets and protests her arrest. It was not made in the interest of public safety,” her attorney, Craig Mastantuono, said during the hearing. He declined to comment to an Associated Press reporter following her court appearance.

The arrest comes amid a growing feud between the Trump administration and the judiciary over the White House’s immigration enforcement policies.

Oh hey, Trump knows there is insider trading with his administration. We all know nothing will come of it though. Same link as above.

President Donald Trump said he couldn’t rule out members of his administration sharing tips on his tariff policies and trade negotiations with traders on Wall Street, saying “I can commit to myself, that’s all I can commit to.”

Speaking to reporters on Air Force One, Trump said that while he couldn’t be sure, he hires “honorable people” and that “I have thousands of people that work for me, but I can’t imagine anybody doing that.”

He was responding to news reports that some administration officials have provided non-public updates to traders and financial executives amid market turmoil caused by Trump’s steep tariffs on American imports.

[NineSpine]

Indeed. The only person who we are learning in this process is above the law, are Trump loyalists spending fund meant to honor fallen police officers to get fillers.

Also pedophiles who beat cops on Jan 6.

[Doomcookie]

My 100+ hours of phone banking couldn't turn around a bad campaign. What were you doing?

I was definitely not living in misery, while working for people I hated, and failing the entire time.

[Breccia]

Translated: I voted for this, and support this to this day.

"Nobody is above the law" is an interesting take for someone who defended terrorist Trump as he obstructed justice. As it does not fit your proven behavior and actions in the past, it is dismissed as hypocrisy. Instead, you are on the record of supporting arresting judges before waiting for evidence of guilt, which at time of posting you do not have.

[Edge-]

Well, as I said, the Judge that got arrested is already released.

https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump...f-6dfb44f70000



Oh hey, Trump knows there is insider trading with his administration. We all know nothing will come of it though. Same link as above.

damn donald just like

"yes people who work for me are breaking the law and facilitating insider trading. what, do you want me to do something about it? what am i, the president who hired these people, supposed to do about it?"

i wonder if tehdang has any thoughts on this or if this too is very normal and unconcerning that the republican president is admitting that insider trading is going on in his white house and that he knows and is doing nothing about it.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...nces_that_any/

AG Pam Bondi with extremist language not based on reality threatening federal judges openly, now.

"oh she's only threatening the criminal ones"

you mean like all the non-criminal undocumented immigrants they're going after?

or the people who they claimed were criminals but weren't because it was all made up by this administration carrying out the weaponization of govenrment as they expressly promised to do?

this is just straight up fascist/authoritarian talking points 101 still

[Endus]

Nobody is arguing that we should wait for the Democrats. The argument is that the opposition political party has to do something besides shrug. They lost to this guy. It's on them to build the political capital to beat him.

So wait for an election, is what you're saying.

Waiting around for other people to fix your country isn't really a tenable option. Particularly when you're relying on the failed systems that led to this problem in the first place.

[SAY HER NAME]

I am not going to hitch my ride on the judge thing just yet. Case is to fresh for anything. Its unlike the Abrego Garcia that by the time it hit the news it was in the courts for a month