Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Nymrohd]

Maybe this is a learning process for people that think judges are immune from the law? Or maybe people are confused about the difference between a judge rendering a judgement or order, and the judge’s conduct? You’ll have to explain your position more than juvenile games that assign the burden of evidence.

Indeed. The only person who we are learning in this process is above the law, are Trump loyalists spending fund meant to honor fallen police officers to get fillers.

[gondrin]

Well, as I said, the Judge that got arrested is already released.

https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump...f-6dfb44f70000

Judge Hannah Dugan, a Milwaukee judge who was arrested by the FBI on accusations she helped a man evade immigration authorities, appeared briefly in federal court Friday before being released from custody.

Her next court appearance is May 15.

“Judge Dugan wholeheartedly regrets and protests her arrest. It was not made in the interest of public safety,” her attorney, Craig Mastantuono, said during the hearing. He declined to comment to an Associated Press reporter following her court appearance.

The arrest comes amid a growing feud between the Trump administration and the judiciary over the White House’s immigration enforcement policies.

Oh hey, Trump knows there is insider trading with his administration. We all know nothing will come of it though. Same link as above.

President Donald Trump said he couldn’t rule out members of his administration sharing tips on his tariff policies and trade negotiations with traders on Wall Street, saying “I can commit to myself, that’s all I can commit to.”

Speaking to reporters on Air Force One, Trump said that while he couldn’t be sure, he hires “honorable people” and that “I have thousands of people that work for me, but I can’t imagine anybody doing that.”

He was responding to news reports that some administration officials have provided non-public updates to traders and financial executives amid market turmoil caused by Trump’s steep tariffs on American imports.

[NineSpine]

Indeed. The only person who we are learning in this process is above the law, are Trump loyalists spending fund meant to honor fallen police officers to get fillers.

Also pedophiles who beat cops on Jan 6.

[Doomcookie]

My 100+ hours of phone banking couldn't turn around a bad campaign. What were you doing?

I was definitely not living in misery, while working for people I hated, and failing the entire time.

[Breccia]

Translated: I voted for this, and support this to this day.

"Nobody is above the law" is an interesting take for someone who defended terrorist Trump as he obstructed justice. As it does not fit your proven behavior and actions in the past, it is dismissed as hypocrisy. Instead, you are on the record of supporting arresting judges before waiting for evidence of guilt, which at time of posting you do not have.

[Edge-]

Well, as I said, the Judge that got arrested is already released.

https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump...f-6dfb44f70000



Oh hey, Trump knows there is insider trading with his administration. We all know nothing will come of it though. Same link as above.

damn donald just like

"yes people who work for me are breaking the law and facilitating insider trading. what, do you want me to do something about it? what am i, the president who hired these people, supposed to do about it?"

i wonder if tehdang has any thoughts on this or if this too is very normal and unconcerning that the republican president is admitting that insider trading is going on in his white house and that he knows and is doing nothing about it.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...nces_that_any/

AG Pam Bondi with extremist language not based on reality threatening federal judges openly, now.

"oh she's only threatening the criminal ones"

you mean like all the non-criminal undocumented immigrants they're going after?

or the people who they claimed were criminals but weren't because it was all made up by this administration carrying out the weaponization of govenrment as they expressly promised to do?

this is just straight up fascist/authoritarian talking points 101 still

[Endus]

Nobody is arguing that we should wait for the Democrats. The argument is that the opposition political party has to do something besides shrug. They lost to this guy. It's on them to build the political capital to beat him.

So wait for an election, is what you're saying.

Waiting around for other people to fix your country isn't really a tenable option. Particularly when you're relying on the failed systems that led to this problem in the first place.

[NED funded]

I am not going to hitch my ride on the judge thing just yet. Case is to fresh for anything. Its unlike the Abrego Garcia that by the time it hit the news it was in the courts for a month

[gondrin]

So, basically Bondi basically said the 4th Amendment is no longer a thing.

https://dailyboulder.com/ice-can-now...doj-memo-says/

I hope these ICE agents do realize that if you don't announce before entering that people are allowed to shoot to kill them. People have shot actual officers and won because they didn't announce when they had no-knock warrants.

And no, an officer, no matter who, can enter private property without a warrant SIGNED BY A JUDGE(doesn't matter what the AG says, only a Judge can sign a warrant) unless exigent circumstances allow for it like imminent harm or death to someone and immediate action is needed.

Action document link that was reported on.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...t/#document/p1

[Breccia]

i wonder if tehdang has any thoughts on this.

Actually, hold on, let's just remove the specific identifying nouns and crimes and replace them with general terms like "the accused" and "the accusations".

Is this the trolling part, where you flip the standard to proving a negative? Sorry, I don’t buy into a premise of “This is a link, now prove to me the negative that this is not what I say it is.”

Nobody is above the law.

Alleged to have committed a crime. The good news is the judicial system regards her as innocent until proven guilty, and the accused will receive trial according to due process.

Maybe this is a learning process for people that think people in power are immune from the law? Or maybe people are confused about the difference between legal behavior, and the accusation? You’ll have to explain your position more than juvenile games that assign the burden of evidence.

Yeah, sounds a lot like @tehdang says the WH officials should be arrested and tried. The WH is not above the law. If they are innocent, they will be found not guilty. Any attempts otherwise should be dismissed with "now prove the negative".

That is, of course, above and beyond @tehdang and the blatant hypocrisy of "no one is above the law, now watch as I support known felon rapist terrorist Trump ignore SCOTUS rulings."

[gondrin]

I am not going to hitch my ride on the judge thing just yet. Case is to fresh for anything. Its unlike the Abrego Garcia that by the time it hit the news it was in the courts for a month

Basically, if she was found actually trying to harbor someone here illegally, there are ways to deal with that as there are boards that deal with punishment of judges that abuse their positions.

[Edge-]

So, basically Bondi basically said the 4th Amendment is no longer a thing.

https://dailyboulder.com/ice-can-now...doj-memo-says/

I hope these ICE agents do realize that if you don't announce before entering that people are allowed to shoot to kill them. People have shot actual officers and won because they didn't announce when they had no-knock warrants.

And no, an officer, no matter who, can enter private property without a warrant SIGNED BY A JUDGE(doesn't matter what the AG says, only a Judge can sign a warrant) unless exigent circumstances allow for it like imminent harm or death to someone and immediate action is needed.

if federal agents try to force their way into your home without a lawful warrant and you live in a state with castle doctrine I hope people remember their second amendment rights

but this checks out given that Pam Bondi gave federal law enforcement the green light to arrest people in courthouses and houses of worship, places that had previously been given leeway given what they are.

[Draco-Onis]

I am not going to hitch my ride on the judge thing just yet. Case is to fresh for anything. Its unlike the Abrego Garcia that by the time it hit the news it was in the courts for a month

Even if Trump was 100% right (he isn't) the process is to notify the judge that there is a warrant for her arrest to turn herself in. This was purely a show of power to frighten judges nothing else.

[tehdang]

nobody is above the law but we must continually take the word of ICE and this administration on good faith despite the fact that it's been 3 months of nonstop objective lies, apparently, yes.

maybe this is a learning process where fascism needs to arrive on your personal doorstep before you notice any of the signs? or maybe you are confused about the difference between lawful arrests and the administration doing exactly what the explicitly promised to do and weaponizing the government against political opponents, who very much include any judges that give undocumented immigrants due process and make them aware of their rights (because they have rights)

i'm just wondering what the justification is because you always pop up to argue how the outrageous behavior of this administration is actually quote reasonable and normal so i was wondering how it would play out this time.

I don’t think you’re proposing any standard that you’d ever be willing to stand behind. If somebody thinks very strongly that the Biden administration is guilty of lies and misconduct, then we can just avoid all that nasty business of looking for evidence, and a trial, and witnesses, and a judge’s verdict?

No, it’s no standard at all. It’s a double game you’re playing, where you adopt rule of law and due process when you like a target or accusation, and abandon it when you don’t like it. In fact, you are saying that you are allowed to believe arrests are illegitimate, if you put enough effort attacking the responsible agency.

Very funny, since two can play that game.

You already know “how it can play out this time.” Judge gets charged, found guilty, sentenced. Charged, found not guilty, released without consequence.

You’re a little stuck saying, “Because such and such did X Y and Z, then we don’t have to spend any effort to consider Q. We can force people that are indifferent about the dilemma on Q to prove that it isn’t guilty by association.”

I am left a little amused that you think any judge can be considered above the law simply because of unrelated actions by a government agency.

Don’t you think it’s a little better plan to reserve the possibility that she broke the law, vs declaring before any factual record is established that the arrest was unjust? I really don’t think you can dodge it with bluster. Two things can be true simultaneously: she broke the law (who knows at this point?), and ICE erred in 2+ separate occasions.

The second doesn’t relieve you of applying sound thinking to the first.

[Breccia]

Michael Hartnett urges investors to flee the stock market and dump the dollar.

"Who is he and why should we care?"

He's the leader of Bank of America's fiscal strategists, hired to look at exactly this current situation.

“Current ‘pain trade’ unquestionably is a narrow, Magnificent 7-led, squeeze higher in US stocks and US dollar,” the strategists wrote in a note. A decisive break from current key support and resistance levels — estimated at 5,690 for the S&P 500, near the 50-week moving average — would depend on these conditions being met, they said.

The depreciation of the dollar is the “cleanest investment theme to play,” according to Hartnett. He sees DeepSeek as the peak in US exceptionalism, Trump policies as the trigger for European fiscal excess and his tariff announcements as the beginning in the decline of globalization.

“Weaker US dollar will play out either slowly with lower yields or quickly with higher yields,” Hartnett said. “It’s brutally flagged by the soaring gold price.”

Simply put, the people hired by one of the biggest financial institutions in the world said that Trump is a whirlwind of chaos, and you should take your money out of his direct control.

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(continued hypocrisy)

Handwaved. Trump defenders claiming "no-one is above the law" are blatantly lying.

[tehdang]

Amazing. You believe Trump is above the law and judicial orders but a judge is not because ICE had their feelings hurt.

I regret to inform you that “the law” isn’t “a dude on the internet has alleged that feelings were involved in the charging.” I really hope you don’t try to use this defense in a trial where you represent yourself.

“It doesn’t matter if you broke the law, what matters is whether or not you’ve alleged the motivation for the arrest and trial is hurt feelings.”

[NED funded]

Even if Trump was 100% right (he isn't) the process is to notify the judge that there is a warrant for her arrest to turn herself in. This was purely a show of power to frighten judges nothing else.

I mean as a general thing, I do think this stuff is pretext. Like they are dying to arrest judges that they dont liike and if this was a judge that ruled in Trump's favour they would be getting a pardon (after a sizable donation to their crypto coin). If this was a normal process they would not even be arresting her and throwing so many resources to this stuff.

If you have been in third world countries these sort of stuff is commonplace. The ruling party enforces the law against its opponents with the full force and is indifferent or outright pardons its own people. But like it follows the law. Its a norms type of thing.

People like tehdang cheering on this are cheering for the third worldification of the country. This is hte republican party now

[Breccia]

(yet further hypocrisy)

Handwaved with increased casualness. Someone who defends removing the charges of someone brought in with a legal warrant and two grand juries, then votes for that terrorist three times, does not get to say "no-one is above the law" without blatantly lying.

[Gorsameth]

Are the Houthis in the Signal chat?

Probably not.
But China and/or Russia absolutely is and they will happily directly feed that data to America's enemies.

[Edge-]

I don’t think you’re proposing any standard that you’d ever be willing to stand behind. If somebody thinks very strongly that the Biden administration is guilty of lies and misconduct, then we can just avoid all that nasty business of looking for evidence, and a trial, and witnesses, and a judge’s verdict?

did the biden administration have an established, clear pattern of constant, gross dishonest and lies? like claiming 200 trade deals were in talks and the providing 0 evidence of that? or claiming that egg prices are down 93% when they're actually up?

no?

then I'm unsure why you try to compare the two. well, actually it seems you're doing so because you know donald's lies are indefensible so you're hoping you can deflect.

No, it’s no standard at all. It’s a double game you’re playing, where you adopt rule of law and due process when you like a target or accusation, and abandon it when you don’t like it. In fact, you are saying that you are allowed to believe arrests are illegitimate, if you put enough effort attacking the responsible agency.

it's almost like we can look at donald promising to weaponize the federal government against political opponents and then look at the federal government actually being weaponized against political opponents like he promised and connect those two dots.

do you need help connecting those two dots? they are the only dots on the page.

You already know “how it can play out this time.” Judge gets charged, found guilty, sentenced. Charged, found not guilty, released without consequence.

well, because that's the most likely outcome given recent history and the prior administration's history. donald has lost an incredible number of court cases, more than any other administration in history

You’re a little stuck saying, “Because such and such did X Y and Z, then we don’t have to spend any effort to consider Q. We can force people that are indifferent about the dilemma on Q to prove that it isn’t guilty by association.”

do you have any specific examples of me doing this? i'd be curious for a specific example and not a appeal to vagueness : )

I am left a little amused that you think any judge can be considered above the law simply because of unrelated actions by a government agency.

i am left amused that you still treat this administration and ice as acting honestly or in good faith at this point given the months of neither thing ever happening

Don’t you think it’s a little better plan to reserve the possibility that she broke the law, vs declaring before any factual record is established that the arrest was unjust? I really don’t think you can dodge it with bluster. Two things can be true simultaneously: she broke the law (who knows at this point?), and ICE erred in 2+ separate occasions.

The second doesn’t relieve you of applying sound thinking to the first.

i'm happy to update my opinion when new information comes to light, if it comes to light. i'm not wedded to it forever.

but i also don't forget everything we know about donald and everything that's happened since january 20, 2025 and i think anyone taking the word of anyone from this administration/leadership, including the current border czar/head of ice, is either incredibly gullible, wants to believe the lies, or hasn't been paying any attention at all.