Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Xath]

I corrected your misapprehension of judicial immunity. Are you now in agreement with me? I’m really having trouble seeing why you won’t abandon this post like you abandoned your last one. I’m not going to chase you from subject to subject.

I'm not wrong I'm just not going to bother arguing with a brick wall instead I will throw your hypocrisy in your face in the futile hope you realize you elected a fascist dictator.

[Edge-]

"Targetted"? Its not like they know what house theyre going into. They'll probably just go door-to-door.

they will absolutely target houses based on all kinds of data, including just going to immigrant neighborhoods etc. targeting individually? maybe at times, but generally not. but i wouldn't be surprised to see them occasionally roll deep into immigrant communities.

[Breccia]

Nobody is above the law

You don't believe this. You defended Trump for years, including his grand jury results. Therefore, your entire "defense" is handwaved as hypocrisy.

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(refused to actually discuss the issue, pedantically nitpicking instead)

(Dismisses lack of argument derisively)

[Doomcookie]

You proposed that some level of invective against the Trump administration (lying, errors, whatnot) would allow you to assert that this judge’s arrest was de-facto unjustified. Secondly, it would absolve you of the logical fallacy of proving a negative: force your opponent to prove it isn’t one. Both are wrong, and I just finished pointing out why your standard is wrong.

We’ve been through the weaponization stuff several times, so I’ll try to be brief. Trump was charged by several political opponents, prosecutors that ran for office promising to fight him legally, and all the rest. You’re proposing to me that such prosecutions can be said to be wrong simply because of the claim of weaponization. Impossible. You can claim certain crimes wouldn’t be prosecuted etc etc, but not that the arrest and trial are unjustified. It’s nonsense.

I guess I’ll have to say it once again to you. Your bluster and political invective doesn’t free you from obeying simple logic and avoiding fallacies. If the judge is innocent or guilty of this charge does not rely on the surrounding character of the chief executive of the agency bringing it! She could be guilty as sin and the boss of the boss of the boss of agency bringing this action is a corrupt mis-manager. Spouting off, as you do, confirms only one thing: you really dislike the administration, and you don’t mind telling everybody why.

Now, I have never set out to convince you, EdgE, that all your exaggerations and the kernel of truth behind some portion of them should be dropped. You can believe the US will fall tomorrow into a police state and all the elections will be canceled forever if you like. Your hysteria does not absolve you from treating an arrest as a case that can be examined for its merits. You may think it does, but it does not. The law doesn’t give you an “out” like “this crime doesn’t count, can’t you see the prosecutor’s boss just did this terrible thing!!!”

I’m really sad that your model of the justice system is inferential. You may infer justice. Your law doesn’t rely on lawbreaking: people exist above the law (this judge) simply because you infer that no proper charges may be brought by the people constitutionally and statutorily appointed to bring such charges. I simply won’t yield your behavioral, predictive system.

I’m not in it to debate your prejudice or the foundations for it. You’re always free to believe that you know *right now* that the arrest is abuse. However, you will never be free to tell others that they can infer an abusive arrest just given everything else the administration has done on a variety of fronts. That puts the cart before the horse. To the contrary, we will both discover if this arrest was like the deportation of Garcia to El Salvador, or an entirely different kind.

Nobody is above the law, even if you’re really, really unhappy about who’s in charge of enforcing the law.

So, how long should Trump spend in prison?

[Draco-Onis]

they will absolutely target houses based on all kinds of data, including just going to immigrant neighborhoods etc. targeting individually? maybe at times, but generally not. but i wouldn't be surprised to see them occasionally roll deep into immigrant communities.

The most pathetic part is that Trump is deporting less people than Biden because going the regular route you have people go through the system and leave instead of hiding in fear. There's also the fact that government spending is ballooning every law enforcement department including DEA and people monitoring violent crime against minors have been roped in to work on deportations. This is just about sound and fury signifying nothing he is destroying the economy, traumatizing families and still fucking failing.

[Rasulis]

Judge says 2-year-old US citizen appears to have been deported with ‘no meaningful process’
The girl was deported Friday with her mother to Honduras, despite her father’s efforts to keep her in the United States.

Is this Trump's administration test case for deporting US citizens and their 14th Amendment case?

[Breccia]

Things are not looking great for friend of the forums Mike Lindell.

According to this judge's response

Despite this unequivocal provision in the Trial Preparation Order, Mr. Kachouroff, lead counsel for Defendants, repeatedly represented during the Final Pretrial/Trial Preparation Conference that he was unaware that Plaintiff’s Motion in Limine would be discussed at the conference. Nor was he prepared to do so; indeed, Mr. Kachouroff did not have a copy of the Opposition with him. As discussed extensively on the record, after confirming with Mr. Kachouroff that he signed the Opposition consistent with his obligations under Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, the Court identified nearly thirty defective citations in the Opposition. These defects include but are not limited to misquotes of cited cases; misrepresentations of principles of law associated with cited cases, including discussions of legal principles that simply do not appear within such decisions; misstatements regarding whether case law originated from a binding authority such as the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit; misattributions of case law to this District; and most egregiously, citation of cases that do not exist.

"That...uh...that could simply be nearly thirty accidents."

First of all, making nearly thirty accidents in one brief is cause for being dragged out of the court in handcuffs straight to your disbarring. Second of all, no, that's not what happened.

Not until this Court asked Mr. Kachouroff directly whether the Opposition was the product of generative artificial intelligence did Mr. Kachouroff admit that he did, in fact, use generative artificial intelligence.

Yeah. Mike Lindell's team filed a brief written by AI. The one thing about law here literally every reader of these forums knows never to do.

Naturally, the filing lawyer was asked how these came to be. Naturally, he tried to refuse to answer.

Your Honor I may have made a mistake and I may have paraphrased and put quotes by mistake. I wasn’t intending to mislead the Court. I don’t think the quote is far off from what you read to me.

"Are you allowed to put quotes on a paraphrasing?"

No.

"Are you allowed to 'paraphrase' a law, a judge's ruling, or a decision?"

No. Even if you argue that it's the spirit of the law that matters, the actual law is made of very specific words. It's the science that only comes in second to mathematics in the "use exactly what's written or it doesn't work".

Kachouroff then tried "that wasn't the real brief, we filed the draft by accident" so favored by Team Trump, flipped the judge off with six fingers, and ordered strarwberrry ice cream.

[Rasulis]

The Trump administration announcement that it aims to speed deployment of self-driving vehicles by exempting some from certain safety requirements and easing rules requiring reporting of safety incidents sent Tesla shares up nearly 10% on Friday.

Blatant cronyism. Unfortunately for Musk, he still needs permits from individual states.

[Edge-]

The Trump administration announcement that it aims to speed deployment of self-driving vehicles by exempting some from certain safety requirements and easing rules requiring reporting of safety incidents sent Tesla shares up nearly 10% on Friday.

Blatant cronyism. Unfortunately for Musk, he still needs permits from individual states.

good luck insuring them to drive on the road, i guess? i'm not sure any insurance carrier would be interested in that kind of liability

[Rasulis]

good luck insuring them to drive on the road, i guess? i'm not sure any insurance carrier would be interested in that kind of liability

Tesla's cars are already some of the most expensive cars to insured.

Insuring a Tesla car is generally more expensive than insuring many other vehicles. The average cost to insure a Tesla Model 3 is $3,495 annually, while a Model X SUV averages $5,459 per year. The average cost to insure a Tesla Model Y with full coverage is $3,996 annually.

As for the Robotaxi service, I guess Tesla can post bond and self-insured? Not really sure.

[Sunseeker]

they will absolutely target houses based on all kinds of data, including just going to immigrant neighborhoods etc. targeting individually? maybe at times, but generally not. but i wouldn't be surprised to see them occasionally roll deep into immigrant communities.

My point was that cops, who at least have some shred of accountability in their job, fuck up going to the "right house" on a regular basis. ICE, with no accountability and a legal blank check to break down your door, aren't going to give two shits whose house they raid. Immigrant house? Yay they got one! Citizen house? Clearly someone aiding the enemy! The neighbors place? Really the right place all along, look more secret terrorists!

Their "data" will consist of "a brown person was spotted within a hundred yards of this place" therefore they will knock down every door and will always find the right guy. Because like on Cardassia, the verdict is always guilty.

[PhaelixWW]

Things are not looking great for friend of the forums Mike Lindell.

Wake me when we get to the "the dog ate my legal brief" portion of the defense's excuses.

[Rasulis]

A memo from acting FEMA administrator Cameron Hamilton, a Trump appointee, obtained by CNN, outlines a long list of recommendations for Trump to follow that could drastically reduce the number of emergency declarations the president approves and the amount of federal assistance doled out to cities and states hit by natural disasters.

Such a change ahead of what are typically the worst months for natural disasters across the US could pose significant problems for states that are unprepared to foot the bill and for the millions of Americans impacted by disasters every year.

Most notably, the memo, sent to an official with the White House Office of Management and Budget, proposes dramatically raising the threshold for states to qualify for public assistance, effectively quadrupling the amount of damage a community must suffer in order to receive federal aid.

The proposal also recommends reducing the share of recovery costs the federal government will pay, limiting the types of facilities eligible for assistance and denying all major disaster declarations for snowstorms.

“The primary purpose of this memorandum is to identify short-term actions to rebalance FEMA’s role in disasters before the start of the 2025 hurricane season,” Hamilton writes in the memo, which is part of the administration’s ongoing effort to dramatically shrink the disaster relief agency’s footprint and cut federal costs for disasters.

Texas, Florida and other Southern states better watch out this year.

[Breccia]

Wake me when we get to the "the dog ate my legal brief" portion of the defense's excuses.

Teacher here. "My dog ate it" is objectively better than "I used AI to write it". The first is a late assignment or flat-out zero. The second is cheating.

Honestly, moderately sure that's the same in the courtroom. Giuliani didn't file a bunch of mandatory forms and just summarily lost his cases. If he had submitted fake documents under oath, he'd have been jailed. This Kachouroff guy could face contempt for making up a court case that didn't exist, then filing it under oath.

[PhaelixWW]

Teacher here. "My dog ate it" is objectively better than "I used AI to write it". The first is a late assignment or flat-out zero. The second is cheating.

Morally better. Creatively worse.

At least cheating is proactive; remember, "if y'ain't cheatin', y'ain't tryin'."

[Rasulis]

Commerce Department employees caught up in a legal battle over their mass firings are now learning that their health care coverage was cut off weeks ago, even though they were paying their premiums.

Justice Department revokes Biden-era protections for reporters in leak investigations

Hurricane forecasts are getting more accurate. Trump slashed the team that made it happen

A lifesaving food for malnourished kids is caught up in U.S. cuts

President Trump signed an executive order Thursday aimed at making it easier for companies to mine the deep seafloor, saying it would create "a robust domestic supply for critical minerals."

Thursday's order might circumvent ongoing international negotiations to regulate deep-sea mining.

Several of the many reasons why Trump and his supporters want NPR defunded.

[gondrin]

The Trump administration announcement that it aims to speed deployment of self-driving vehicles by exempting some from certain safety requirements and easing rules requiring reporting of safety incidents sent Tesla shares up nearly 10% on Friday.

Blatant cronyism. Unfortunately for Musk, he still needs permits from individual states.

While it will be fine for this administration, insurance carriers most definitely won't want to have anything to do with it(outside of the few that wouldn't pay out regardless like The General which generally only provides the minimum coverage) and in every single state, you are required to have insurance before even getting a driver's license.

So yeah, as you said, Musk is still fucked in that regard. And also, because the moment crashes start to happen, they will be able to sue Tesla if it is due to automated driving having a fit more than user error.

[Edge-]

Commerce Department employees caught up in a legal battle over their mass firings are now learning that their health care coverage was cut off weeks ago, even though they were paying their premiums.

That sounds illegal. And like some lawsuit material that will cost more money.

Justice Department revokes Biden-era protections for reporters in leak investigations

Ah, another leap down the road towards fascism.

Hurricane forecasts are getting more accurate. Trump slashed the team that made it happen

Thoughts and prayers? Seriously, but also seriously.

A lifesaving food for malnourished kids is caught up in U.S. cuts

The "family" party. The "pro-child" party. It's weird how all their policies accomplish the opposite goals.

President Trump signed an executive order Thursday aimed at making it easier for companies to mine the deep seafloor, saying it would create "a robust domestic supply for critical minerals."

Thursday's order might circumvent ongoing international negotiations to regulate deep-sea mining.

Another ecological disaster in the making. Our oceans are already fragile enough and the warming waters are already wreaking havoc on ecosystems. This will make things far worse, with the worst effects being delayed.

Several of the many reasons why Trump and his supporters want NPR defunded.

Republicans are fairly allergic to facts, sadly.

[gondrin]

Commerce Department employees caught up in a legal battle over their mass firings are now learning that their health care coverage was cut off weeks ago, even though they were paying their premiums.

Justice Department revokes Biden-era protections for reporters in leak investigations

Hurricane forecasts are getting more accurate. Trump slashed the team that made it happen

A lifesaving food for malnourished kids is caught up in U.S. cuts

President Trump signed an executive order Thursday aimed at making it easier for companies to mine the deep seafloor, saying it would create "a robust domestic supply for critical minerals."

Thursday's order might circumvent ongoing international negotiations to regulate deep-sea mining.

Several of the many reasons why Trump and his supporters want NPR defunded.

Remember, this is the guy who fired the entire team responsible for game planning pandemics and the like so that the Administration isn't caught off guard, along with deleting pretty much all relevant data, during his first term because he felt that there was no need for it.

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That sounds illegal. And like some lawsuit material that will cost more money.

As far as this one goes, not sure if it would be illegal seeing as it is playing out in the courts and the people affected by it are in literal administrative limbo. The biggest thing is they need to call up their insurance carrier and find out that if their premiums that they have been paying are actually going towards everything. Some of the workers aren't doing this.

As much as it would suck to hear "Sorry, you don't have coverage despite this", it is better to know than not to so they can actively make plans to deal with things.

Like this lady:

Jennifer Raulin, who had just started a job at NOAA in January before being fired in February, rehired in March and fired again in April, had not wanted to complain publicly about the ordeal she's been through — until now.

It is going to sound cruel but she is pretty much screwed. Even in the private sector in a union job, she wouldn't have protections for things like continued insurance since she wouldn't have had enough time in the workplace to get past probation.

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So, Trump basically just threw his whole administration under the bus. Right under there.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...bb4f71cd3&ei=4

‘That’s Not What My People Told Me’: Trump Defends Defying 9-0 Supreme Court Ruling Ordering Kilmar Garcia Returned

President Donald Trump claims his lawyers have told him that the Supreme Court’s ruling on Kilmar Abrego Garcia does not mean he needs to bring back the man accidentally deported to an El Salvador megaprison.

In an interview with TIME, the president was asked about the Supreme Court’s 9-0 order telling the administration to facilitate the return of Garcia. The administration has maintained that Garcia is an MS-13 gang member despite no prior convictions and their admission that he was sent to El Salvador by mistake.

Asked if he’s “disobeying” the Supreme Court order, Trump said, “That’s not what my people told me — they didn’t say it was, they said it was — the nine to nothing was entirely different.”

The ruling states: “The order properly requires the government to facilitate Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador.”

“I leave that to my lawyers,” Trump said when asked if he is actively facilitating Garcia’s return. “I give them no instructions. They feel that the order said something very much different from what you’re saying. But I leave that to my lawyers. If they want — and that would be Attorney General of the United States and the people that represent the country. I don’t make that decision.”

Trump went on to say that El Salvador President Nayib Bukele will not return Garcia, but he said he has not directly asked him and he would not do so unless his advisers told him to.

The president doubled down on calling Garcia a gang member and accused critics of making him “look like a saint.” Abrego Garcia is an illegal migrant who was living in Maryland for more than a decade. Asked about Garcia deserving a day in court before being labeled a gang member, Trump again pushed responsibility to his lawyers.

“That’s not my determination. It’s something that, frankly, bringing him back and retrying him wouldn’t bother me, but I leave that up to my lawyer,” he said, adding his team is telling him they are in “total compliance with the Supreme Court.”

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So, Trump basically just threw his whole administration under the bus. Right under there.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...bb4f71cd3&ei=4

I thought he only hired the best people?

Doesn't he watch/read the news?