Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[NineSpine]

Ah that explains our disconnect. My argument was against viewing market cap as wealth, not against illiquid assets. Glad we’re back on the same page.

That makes more sense. I think that in either case when we are talking about people with that level of wealth, it is really all functionally equal anyway. Someone with $50B and someone with $500B when measured this way aren’t really capable of different things.

[xenogear3]

I'm not defending Trump, he's a piece of shit and a subhuman moron, but I'm actually starting to suspect he isn't really in charge.

You can replace Trump and put another president name (Biden, Bush, etc) in it, and it makes sense.

[Kaleredar]

You can replace Trump and put another president name (Biden, Bush, etc) in it, and it makes sense.

Perhaps but they didn’t crash the economy, alienate every US ally, compromise national security and cripple the ability of the government to function. All in under 100 days.

[postman1782]

You can replace Trump and put another president name (Biden, Bush, etc) in it, and it makes sense.

No it doesn't. None of them did anything like this since Andrew Jackson.

[Breccia]

Trump family to open $500,000 buy-in private club in DC.

Hey, remember when people made a big deal about Hunter Biden? About how people paid him money and therefore it was corrupt because of President Joe Biden?

Those people get to eat shit. Trump Jr. is doing the same in public.

So, there's on point in waiting, I'll just quote our favorite hypocrite now.

This kind of blatant corruption is only okay when my side does it.

[Edge-]

Trump family to open $500,000 buy-in private club in DC.

Hey, remember when people made a big deal about Hunter Biden? About how people paid him money and therefore it was corrupt because of President Joe Biden?

Those people get to eat shit. Trump Jr. is doing the same in public.

So, there's on point in waiting, I'll just quote our favorite hypocrite now.

it's fun because this looks like a lot more explicitly buying access to the presidents inner circle

[Captain N]

Ah the United States. Where you can buy citizenship for $5 million or access to the President to request favors for $500K.

But her emails....

[Teriz]

Trump family to open $500,000 buy-in private club in DC.

Hey, remember when people made a big deal about Hunter Biden? About how people paid him money and therefore it was corrupt because of President Joe Biden?

Those people get to eat shit. Trump Jr. is doing the same in public.

So, there's on point in waiting, I'll just quote our favorite hypocrite now.

The corruption is so naked and out in the open that it just makes a mockery of our entire system.

And the Republicans in congress just don't care. It must be the easiest job in the world to be a Republican congressman when Trump's in office. You don't have to do anything except kiss his ass because you've given your job to him and his cronies.

[draynay]

And the Republicans in congress just don't care. It must be the easiest job in the world to be a Republican congressman when Trump's in office. You don't have to do anything except kiss his ass because you've given your job to him and his cronies.

They don’t do much regardless of who is in office.

[PhaelixWW]

They don’t do much regardless of who is in office.

I'll remind you:

Over the last 25 years, you have 2 years under Obama (2009-2010) where Democrats had control of the presidency and both chambers of Congress, and 2 years under Biden (2021-2022) that while nominally could be said to be under control of the Democrats by the slimmest of margins, really just meant that Manchin and Sinema just fucked us all over to prevent it.

Contrast that with 4 years under Dubya (2003-2006), 2 years under Trump's first fiasco (2017-2018) and now 2 more (2025-2026). Now the margins this time around are pretty thin, too, but not as thin as those 2 years under Biden, and Republicans have always been better at holding their nose and toeing the party line than Democrats.

So don't pretend like Democrats have had PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS (and an itty bitty living space) for long periods of time and just blundered about failing to do anything. And don't pretend like Republicans haven't had much more opportunity to game the system over the last 25 years.

And consider that conservatives also get off on not doing anything, which they can fairly well accomplish if they hold any one of the three, whereas Democrats need all three to generally get anything meaningful done.

[SAY HER NAME]

That Times interview is insane

I never took Trump for a communist, central planning by one single man

[tehdang]

I'll remind you:

And consider that conservatives also get off on not doing anything, which they can fairly well accomplish if they hold any one of the three, whereas Democrats need all three to generally get anything meaningful done.

I'll remind you that over the last 25 years, Republicans have had their equivalents of Manchin and Sinema for the Democrats. McCain, Murkowski, Collins.

but not as thin as those 2 years under Biden

Biden's trifecta: 50-50 Senate, +11 House
Trump's second Trifecta: 53-47 Senate, +4 House

The truthful portrayal is that both were/are thin.

[PhaelixWW]

I'll remind you that over the last 25 years, Republicans have had their equivalents of Manchin and Sinema for the Democrats. McCain, Murkowski, Collins.


Biden's trifecta: 50-50 Senate, +11 House
Trump's second Trifecta: 53-47 Senate, +4 House

50-50 with 2 holdouts is not the same as 53-47 with 2 holdouts, now is it?

Can you even math?

FFS.

[SAY HER NAME]

I dont like to trash talk dissenters in parties. And I was old enough to remember McCain, Murkowski saving the ACA. That being said. The current iteration of the Republican party is literally doing nothing. They are all willing to do nothing as long as they can get those tax cuts. It seems that is the only thing they care about. They literally voted out their ability to do policy by never holding a session to determine if they support Trumps tariff policy.

The current Republican Party gets off on not doing anything and being ruled by one central figure. They are servile, docile and subservient.

[Zaydin]

50-50 with 2 holdouts is not the same as 53-47 with 2 holdouts, now is it?

Can you even math?

FFS.

Not to mention that you can only count on Collins vote when it doesn't matter.

If her vote will decide the outcome, Collins will vote the party line no matter what. If it won't, then she is allowed to 'go rogue'.

[tehdang]

50-50 with 2 holdouts is not the same as 53-47 with 2 holdouts, now is it?

Can you even math?

FFS.

If you had just narrowed to the Senate, you would be right. But you tried to say that Biden's trifecta was slimmer. In that case, you'll have to include the "can you even math" on the House. Trump recently had to un-nominate a House member from his government due to his slimmer House majority, something that Biden never had to face.

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Not to mention that you can only count on Collins vote when it doesn't matter.

If her vote will decide the outcome, Collins will vote the party line no matter what. If it won't, then she is allowed to 'go rogue'.

She should be considered in the same lot as Sinema and Manchin. The ACA repeal was a quintessential 'No.'

Not that I don't wish you were right. But then we might not even have Trump.

[PhaelixWW]

If you had just narrowed to the Senate, you would be right. But you tried to say that Biden's trifecta was slimmer. In that case, you'll have to include the "can you even math" on the House. Trump recently had to un-nominate a House member from his government due to his slimmer House majority, something that Biden never had to face.

I know you're a disingenuous poster, but seriously.

In one situation, the repeat offender holdouts were enough to block any legislation. In the other, the repeat offender holdouts were not.

It matters far less how relatively slim the other chamber is at that point.

Demonstrably, Manchin and Sinema fucked the Democrat agenda on far more occasions than Collins, Murkowski, and McCain did for the GoP agenda.

[Edge-]

I dont like to trash talk dissenters in parties. And I was old enough to remember McCain, Murkowski saving the ACA. That being said. The current iteration of the Republican party is literally doing nothing. They are all willing to do nothing as long as they can get those tax cuts. It seems that is the only thing they care about. They literally voted out their ability to do policy by never holding a session to determine if they support Trumps tariff policy.

The current Republican Party gets off on not doing anything and being ruled by one central figure. They are servile, docile and subservient.

the few members willing to actually point out donald was a weird dangerous threat and not a trustworthy guy all got primaried over the years or simply retired. they weren't radically better otherwise

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I know you're a disingenuous poster, but seriously.

In one situation, the repeat offender holdouts were enough to block any legislation. In the other, the repeat offender holdouts were not.

It matters far less how relatively slim the other chamber is at that point.

Demonstrably, Manchin and Sinema fucked the Democrat agenda on far more occasions than Collins, Murkowski, and McCain did for the GoP agenda.

the demand is that we forget context and treat everything as happening in isolation, disconnected from everything else. context is the true enemy.

[tehdang]

I know you're a disingenuous poster, but seriously.

In one situation, the repeat offender holdouts were enough to block any legislation. In the other, the repeat offender holdouts were not.

It matters far less how relatively slim the other chamber is at that point.

I cited the ACA because the 3 Republican Holdouts were enough to defeat the legislation. They were enough to block any legislation.

I just cited the reason why the other chamber being slim matters. The President has to be worried about his majority when appointing House representatives to the government. It still is something Biden didn't have to worry about, because contrary your prior post, he didn't have as slim of a majority. Just be truthful and say that Biden had an easier time in the House, versus Trump in the Senate.

Demonstrably, Manchin and Sinema fucked the Democrat agenda on far more occasions than Collins, Murkowski, and McCain did for the GoP agenda.

I'd love to see you demonstrate that, but "fucked the Democrat agenda" is already a subjective term. I'm sure it's loose enough in your mind to say Manchin stopped the Democratic agenda by voting for the Biden's 1.9 tril stimulus, and the next year's inflation reduction act. Wish he had worked to stop the Democrat's agenda on both occasions, but sadly you were wrong.

[DarkTZeratul]

I cited the ACA because the 3 Republican Holdouts were enough to defeat the legislation. They were enough to block any legislation.

The difference is they didn't "block any legislation." They blocked one thing. Manchin and Sinema cratered damn near every bill the Democrats tried to pass.