Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Masark]

Frankly it would be top tier comedy if Trump supporters started applying his trade policy in their every day life. They can sue super markets, landlords, barbers and online stores for ripping them off because they aren't buying anything from them when they buy something. The sky is the limit I mean these are the same people that had to be told not to drink bleach.

[SAY HER NAME]

Israel Bombs Yemen’s Main Airport in Retaliation for Houthi Strike

"Okay, why post that here?"



"Based on what? The body count?"



"So, basically, everyone including the Houthis think the Houthis will keep fighting, except Trump.

Now, for some reason, the NYTimes only set this up. I'll let WaPo spike it.



"So, what, Mission Accomplished?"

Trump just sold out Netanyahu. He basically said, to the world, "It's okay to attack Israel. Just don't hit us. Buy my bitcoin."

Trump just had a major flip on a major policy with a major ally overnight based on the opposite of evidence. Is this related to the 90-day fake war he declared?

(checks news)

Yep, he ordered strikes March 16 and troops April 22. It's May 5, and he's taking the Houthis at their word that it's over. Or, he doesn't want Congress to overrule him when the National Security Lol wears off. Or, he's old, senile, retarded, and sleepy.

"Do you really like Netanyahu?"

Not really the point. Trump has moved the discussion "can the US be counted on as an ally?" from economics into military. There is no reason to have made such an abrupt change in policy that anyone else can see.

This prob needs an update as another jet was lost by Houthi attacks

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/06/p...is-lost-at-sea

This didnt happen under Joe Biden. Just saying

[Kaleredar]

Israel Bombs Yemen’s Main Airport in Retaliation for Houthi Strike

"Okay, why post that here?"



"Based on what? The body count?"



"So, basically, everyone including the Houthis think the Houthis will keep fighting, except Trump.

Now, for some reason, the NYTimes only set this up. I'll let WaPo spike it.



"So, what, Mission Accomplished?"

Trump just sold out Netanyahu. He basically said, to the world, "It's okay to attack Israel. Just don't hit us. Buy my bitcoin."

Trump just had a major flip on a major policy with a major ally overnight based on the opposite of evidence. Is this related to the 90-day fake war he declared?

(checks news)

Yep, he ordered strikes March 16 and troops April 22. It's May 5, and he's taking the Houthis at their word that it's over. Or, he doesn't want Congress to overrule him when the National Security Lol wears off. Or, he's old, senile, retarded, and sleepy.

"Do you really like Netanyahu?"

Not really the point. Trump has moved the discussion "can the US be counted on as an ally?" from economics into military. There is no reason to have made such an abrupt change in policy that anyone else can see.

I said this before: the powers that be in the Israeli government are relying on a feckless, incompetent moron, whom they helped elect (if not directly than certainly via their rhetoric,) hoping that he continues to back their strong-arm rhetoric and plays. And seem mighty sure that he will. Forever. Unquestioningly.

But just like the billionaires watching their stocks plummet and the small-time conservatives now at risk of having critical services pulled, small business closed, and their expenditures shoot up, the only thing you can count on a feckless, incompetent moron to be is…. Feckless and incompetent.

If trump thinks it politically or monetarily expedient to sell out Israel, he absolutely will. Trump burned bridges and sold out the rest of the world, the Warhawk factions within Israel and those that support them are ultimately idly hoping that Trump… doesn’t.

[Edge-]

This prob needs an update as another jet was lost by Houthi attacks

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/06/p...is-lost-at-sea

This didnt happen under Joe Biden. Just saying

It is not entirely clear what happened yet, as the investigation is ongoing, but two of the people said there was some kind of arrestment failure as the jet was trying to land on the carrier and the pilot and weapons systems officer had to eject. They were recovered by a rescue helicopter and are both alive, but they suffered minor injuries, one of the people said.

The jet crashed into the sea and has not been recovered, two of the people familiar with the incident said.

Glad they're both alright.

I keep saying: Bring back the people with pronouns in their signatures. Planes weren't falling off aircraft carriers and crashing into each other all the time like they are under Donald Trump.

Speaking of, another pair of planes had a minor collision on the runway, this time at SFO - https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...t-20312914.php

Donald decided to immediately blame the first aircraft related incident on woke DEI. He now owns all responsibility for aircraft safety since he got rid of the DEI and the woke.

I'm flying tomorrow, and honestly for the first time I'm actually not looking forward to the flying part. Normally I like the flying part, just not the people.

[DarkTZeratul]

-- Donald Trump, willfully uninformed or incompetent individual half of y'all wanted to run the country

Even a casual search shows that Canada is not just our number one (close enough, potentially tied with Mexico) at 17% of our exports, hundreds of billions of dollars.

And a whopping 12% of our imports, where they're also number 2 (after, duh, Mexico).

[Muzjhath]

It comes from the Brits shelling an American fort during the war of 1812. A lawyer and poet watched and wrote it down. Now, it's part of the American national anthem.

I should observe that (1) liberals/progressives generally won't call out members of their political movement who say things like "Land of the free, home of the brave ... do not and never have applied to the US and (2) that kind of bullshit, among other things, gives Vance his support to go over to Germany and call out Europeans for retreating from democratic and western values. Not that you're necessarily European and saying it, but it's usually the worst offenders that criticize others on topics of bravery and freedom.

Boldes, underlines, italics: that's just racist fucking claptrap

[btlcryct]

He's now renaming bodies of water on the other side of the world:

https://nypost.com/2025/05/06/us-new...dle-east-trip/

[Edge-]

He's now renaming bodies of water on the other side of the world:

https://nypost.com/2025/05/06/us-new...dle-east-trip/

when are we being renamed kekistan, damnit

[tehdang]

Boldes, underlines, italics: that's just racist fucking claptrap

I've heard all about how real freedom is throwing people in jail for memes and banning opposition political parties. Yes, I'm used to all the arguments that twist around in a pretzel. And the pathetic lashing out with racist is entirely expected. That's fine. It's medicine, and you're overdue. I just hope it's not too late for the patient.

The harsh truths hit the worst. And maybe it does take a foreigner to say them, since he has less fear of being arrested for the speech.

[Breccia]

I've heard all about how real freedom is throwing people in jail for memes and banning opposition political parties.

The person you support and voted for on purpose told Clinton to her face during the debates he was going to have her investigated.

The audience applauded.

Your objective lack of argument is handwaved.

[Azadina]

when are we being renamed kekistan, damnit

Sorry to say, but I've seen the documentary from this timeline, and can say for sure it'll be named Gilead.

[Breccia]

Speaking of people who have no point: Trump claims to have gotten $9 trillion in new US investments.

After Trump was pressed on rising consumer prices and slowing economic growth, he defended his tariff policies by claiming they had spurred record investment in the United States.

"I think we probably have close to $9 trillion of investments coming into this country," Mr. Trump said in an interview on NBC's Meet the Press that aired Sunday. "If you look at other presidents, there's never been anything like that."

He has also repeatedly claimed that he secured more investment in his first two months than President Biden did in four years.

Neither claim is supported by evidence, CBS News Confirmed found. While companies have announced hundreds of billions of dollars in planned investments since Mr. Trump's Jan. 20 inauguration, the White House has not provided data showing the total approaches $9 trillion.

CBS News then spells out line by line how much Trump is lying. A lot.

Trump's WH at best came up with $2 trillion of domestic and $5 trillion from foreign sources. Not $9 trillion.

Trump left off many of Biden's investments off the list.

Trump stole some of Biden's investments and took credit for them. For example, taking credit for $500 billion Elon Musk invested under Biden as his own.

And of course, Trump is comparing people saying they will invest with Trump in the future, with actual investments Biden had secured in real life.

Trump, desperate for anything even resembling good news, is stacking his lies multiplicatively. And for what purpose? Anyone in the actual business knows these numbers at false, so this won't make a dent in Trump's massive stock market loss. Trump supporters like @tehdang literally worshiop him as a god, so lying to them is no longer required.

[SAY HER NAME]

when are we being renamed kekistan, damnit

This is fine. Its called arabian gulf in pretty much all of the arab states except for Iran. This is Trump taking a position on that

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The person you support and voted for on purpose told Clinton to her face during the debates he was going to have her investigated.

The audience applauded.

Your objective lack of argument is handwaved.

I mean the current admin is working to deport people over criticism of Israel. Not exactly pro free speech

[Mayhem]

that kind of bullshit, among other things, gives Vance his support to go over to Germany and call out Europeans for retreating from democratic and western values. Not that you're necessarily European and saying it, but it's usually the worst offenders that criticize others on topics of bravery and freedom.

are you (or is anyone) able to connect the dots between someone saying "if there are two words that do not and never have applied to the US it's free and brave" and therefore JD Vance rightfully bullshitting his way through European far-right rallies?

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I've heard all about how real freedom is throwing people in jail for memes and banning opposition political parties. Yes, I'm used to all the arguments that twist around in a pretzel. And the pathetic lashing out with racist is entirely expected. That's fine. It's medicine, and you're overdue. I just hope it's not too late for the patient.

The harsh truths hit the worst. And maybe it does take a foreigner to say them, since he has less fear of being arrested for the speech.

Come on, let us take part in your search for real freedom, provide some links to the jail for memes and ban the opposition.

[Muzjhath]

I've heard all about how real freedom is throwing people in jail for memes and banning opposition political parties. Yes, I'm used to all the arguments that twist around in a pretzel. And the pathetic lashing out with racist is entirely expected. That's fine. It's medicine, and you're overdue. I just hope it's not too late for the patient.

The harsh truths hit the worst. And maybe it does take a foreigner to say them, since he has less fear of being arrested for the speech.

"Western values" is 9/10 just a racist dogwhistle.

I thought you were for law and order. What happened to follow the law and don't get punished?
People who go to jail for "memes" go to jail for hate speech/incitement.

The German constitution is literally actively democratic. As in, espousing anti-democratic views is anti-constitutional.

Guess what party is espousing anti democratic views? AfD

[Captain N]

Is our resident rape supporter trying to make excuses for Nazis again? Doesn't this ever got monotonous?

[Endus]

"Western values" is 9/10 just a racist dogwhistle.

They like to forget those "Western values" also included the Transatlantic slave trade and deep antisemitism and a wholehearted love on monarchism. Amongst plenty of other pretty terrible things. The Western world may have moved past some of those in recent history, but if you're only looking at the last couple hundred years, you're not talking about "Western values" as a whole, but a cherry-picked subset.

It's also super fucking weird when they try and stick exclusively to the latter half of the 20th Century onward, but also include Bronze Age religious values from the near-Orient, which aren't even "Western" in the first place. The Levant's not "the West", dudes.

Nothing about the concept's ever made a lick of internal sense. As you say, it's usually just meant to cover up for someone's racism or xenophobia.

Also, fun note; Greece is only questionably maybe part of "The West". It depends on your exact definition. And since democratic thinking sprang from Greece . . . is democracy even a "Western" thing? Or was it a good Eastern/mid-Orient thing the West adopted? See also Abrahamic religion, a hell of a lot of mathematics, engineering, and science, and so on. Hell, a lot of what we consider early "Western" scientific advances were just straight-up stolen from Arabian authors, or developed on top of their prior work without any attribution to those sources. There's a reason "algebra" and "algorithm" come from Arabic and that in the Western world, we use Arabic numerals, after all.

[tehdang]

"Western values" is 9/10 just a racist dogwhistle.

Transmute this into whatever words you prefer hearing to describe the same thing. Europe has strayed far from the kind of liberal democratic traditions that it used to share with the United States.

hate speech/incitement.

espousing anti-democratic views is anti-constitutional

Yes, this is exactly what I'm calling out. You're free to claim that this is true liberty and democracy! I think it's a farce and a thin defense for rot. And part of me accepts Europe languishing and all this perversion to rip apart society in order to "save" society. It's a damn shame, but it really is not for me to decide at the end of the day. I'm not governed by your laws, and I'm not oppressed by your laws, and I don't have to live in the society that did this to itself by mostly free choice.

[Endus]

Transmute this into whatever words you prefer hearing to describe the same thing.

The disagreement is with the notion that anything you're describing is in any way uniquely "Western" in the first place. It isn't the label that's fundamentally misleading, it's the claim itself.

Europe has strayed far from the kind of liberal democratic traditions that it used to share with the United States.

You mean that Europe has continued to progress and develop, whereas the USA has retreated into regressivism and fascist authoritarianism. Europe had their fun with that already. They know better. Shame the USA didn't learn the lessons.

The USA performs poorly on most freedom indices, compared to Western Europe. If you can't grapple with that fact, it's because you choose to believe a delusion fed by propaganda rather than deal with reality.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...dex-by-country

There's one, the USA sitting at 83, and most of Western Europe's in the 90s. Not France, who squeaks in at 89, still significantly higher than the USA.

https://freedomhouse.org/country/scores

There's another. Pretty similar results.

https://rsf.org/en/rsf-world-press-f...-press-freedom

Here's the World Press Freedom Index. Ooh, most of Western Europe only gets "satisfactory", though Scandinavia and a few others get up to "good". Canada, Australia, and New Zealand all get "satisfactory", too. And the USA? Oh, oh dear. "Problematic".

You either know this and are willing to lie about to to everyone's faces here, or you're completely misled by whatever shithose of propaganda you've strapped to your face as your sole input source for information, which is just a statement about how deeply biased and gullible you are. I'll leave that question up to you, it really doesn't matter to me which one's the truth, just that it's one of the two.

And part of me accepts Europe languishing and all this perversion to rip apart society in order to "save" society.

Oooh, "perversion". Go on, describe exactly what perversions are "ripping apart society". Be specific about which perverts you mean. You wouldn't be hiding behind vague terminology because you know being honest would get you instabanned for hate speech, right?

Hell, let's chew on the inherent internal contradiction that a hatred of "perversion" combined with an expressed support for "individual freedoms" necessarily qualifies as.

[Muzjhath]

Transmute this into whatever words you prefer hearing to describe the same thing. Europe has strayed far from the kind of liberal democratic traditions that it used to share with the United States.


Yes, this is exactly what I'm calling out. You're free to claim that this is true liberty and democracy! I think it's a farce and a thin defense for rot. And part of me accepts Europe languishing and all this perversion to rip apart society in order to "save" society. It's a damn shame, but it really is not for me to decide at the end of the day. I'm not governed by your laws, and I'm not oppressed by your laws, and I don't have to live in the society that did this to itself by mostly free choice.

Poppers tolerance of intolerance paradox.

If a nazi is on the street. Punch him. Only way to keep society free and open.

And what Endus said in the post above.