Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Sunseeker]

While a lot of ranchers are conservative, those same ranchers are also conservationists and understand that the land is their way of life and have to save it. Not saying all but there are a lot of them that love green energy projects like wind, solar and others.

A lot of them are also raw capitalists who are happy to sell use of their land to anyone paying money.

[Fugus]

He's back on the 51st state thing again:

https://x.com/DailyNewsJustIn/status...774960/photo/1

At this point I would love to see the rest of our allies refer to California as the next Canadian territory and USA “The United States of North Mexico” and refer to Trump as the president of that just to give him a taste of his own medicine and watch his supporters lose it.

[gondrin]

At this point I would love to see the rest of our allies refer to California as the next Canadian territory and USA “The United States of North Mexico” and refer to Trump as the president of that just to give him a taste of his own medicine and watch his supporters lose it.

Honestly, call Florida "Cuba 2.0". Would really piss him off.

Funny thing is that, for part of Florida, it really is Cuba 2.0.

[SAY HER NAME]

A new law that criminalizes certain conduct so it doesn't need to be handled as a civil matter, the escalation to criminal code being justified by the widespread intentional harm of the act itself. This isn't complex stuff, dude, it's why small claims handles a friend who won't pay you back that $50 you borrowed, but you get to go to criminal court if he steals your car.



Those code algos produce absolute dogshit garbage code. The same as art algos produce dogshit art, and for the same reasons. None of these AI systems understand the material they're producing, how any of it works, and most of the time, they're just stealing what worked elsewhere and putting it into the new project. Which any decent code developer can already do.

You seem to have drunk the kool-aid on these AI algos. They do bad work faster. They don't do good work. If all you need is a shitty workaround for a problem, maybe that's fine, but not at professional levels where you're being paid to do good work. There's a reason getting an AI to write a research paper for can potentially get you expelled (it's cause, whether they decide it's sufficient cause for them is subjective) from basically any university. Not just because you didn't write it, but because the content is garbage and not useable.



What the everloving fuck are you even ranting about now. None of what you're saying here makes any fucking sense. Nuclear is not "destroyed" as an industry. Americans being panic-driven fools about nuclear is a testament to how propagandized Americans are, which has nothing to do with "leftism". In fact, support for the oil industry is far more a right-wing thing.

And large copyright holders should destroy AI. For the same reason that retail groups should destroy organized crime gangs trying to shake them down for protection money. You keep celebrating illegal conduct because breaking the law *checks notes* can make you money?

That's a supremely fucked-up position to hold, dude. Who cares whose rights are violated and their content stolen! We made money off it! Fuck those artists and writers! They're not rich, so they can go fuck themselves!

Seriously fucked-up.

This is all I need to know to dismiss your arguments presented here. You have obviously not used these tools, I totally understand if you dont know how to code professionally or whatever. Thats fine. We all work in different industries, but the AI companies has made a ton of advances in this area and others.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/25/b...ai-coders.html

The NYT has a piece on how AI revolutionized that part of the industry. The claim isnt that it has replaced workers but that it has produced a valuable product and many industries have agreed that it is valuable. Also the part of they dont understand the code is nonsense lol. They dont understand the code in the way a human understands it but it knows what its supposed to do. You can literally feed it blocks of code and it writes the documentation for you. It struggles with large codebases but none has claimed that it is a 1:1 to a software developer. It can provide detailed analysis of documents you feed it. Obviously you need to supervise it as it does stuff but it has changed how things work.

Like your argument about no marketable product would have made sense 3 years ago, now you sound like the people that said the internet was a passing fad. AI and LLMs are really cool tech that are changing the landscape in white collar jobs. Your lot, much like nuclear power would kill it and feed that money to large copyright holders. Leftists really are a cancer to human progress.

[Elder Millennial]

At this point I would love to see the rest of our allies refer to California as the next Canadian territory and USA “The United States of North Mexico” and refer to Trump as the president of that just to give him a taste of his own medicine and watch his supporters lose it.

You know, in a way, the slide into fascism would somehow bother me less if it was a less... FUCKING STUPID. So fucking painfully stupid.

No fiery speeches, obscure historical and ideological references, nothing. Just fucking stupidity, incompetence, buffoonery and cringe.

And somehow, they are still winning. I think that's the most demoralizing part for me. It so fucking pathetic.

[gondrin]

This is all I need to know to dismiss your arguments presented here. You have obviously not used these tools, I totally understand if you dont know how to code professionally or whatever. Thats fine. We all work in different industries, but the AI companies has made a ton of advances in this area and others.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/25/b...ai-coders.html

The NYT has a piece on how AI revolutionized that part of the industry. The claim isnt that it has replaced workers but that it has produced a valuable product and many industries have agreed that it is valuable. Also the part of they dont understand the code is nonsense lol. They dont understand the code in the way a human understands it but it knows what its supposed to do. You can literally feed it blocks of code and it writes the documentation for you. It struggles with large codebases but none has claimed that it is a 1:1 to a software developer. It can provide detailed analysis of documents you feed it. Obviously you need to supervise it as it does stuff but it has changed how things work.

Like your argument about no marketable product would have made sense 3 years ago, now you sound like the people that said the internet was a passing fad. AI and LLMs are really cool tech that are changing the landscape in white collar jobs. Your lot, much like nuclear power would kill it and feed that money to large copyright holders. Leftists really are a cancer to human progress.

The first thing is, they are right in that AI doesn't understand what it is creating as they are parroting programs. If you input said code into it, it just runs and outputs whatever the code was meant to output. That is standard executable stuff. No current LLM or AI algorithm understands, at all, anything you input into it as it has no need to. Look up any AI video showing eating of stuff. That is what I mean that it has no understanding of what eating is except for possibly putting objects into mouth. It doesn't look even remotely natural and looks disturbing at the minimum. AIs, in their current form, have no form of sentience or actual working intelligence of any kind.

However, no AI, and I will not delve into this seeing as it is off-topic for this thread, can create something novel. It has to use examples from other sources that were already created in order to extrapolate it into something else. So any code it makes will literally be based off of prior code and generally will be not as well written as far as functionality because of unexpected code designs that it might introduce to try and figure out what the user wants.

Is AI and LLMs useful tools? Sure. But the argument isn't if they are useful tools. The argument is should companies like Meta, Alphabet/Google, X/Grok, Apple and other such companies be allowed to use copyrighted content for usage in their LLM when they actively profit off of said LLMs without paying the content creator a fee or even asking for their permission. Those companies actively want to use that content for their own profit making ventures without permission or reimbursing said creators which is, as of now, illegal to do so. They are trying to get the laws changed to allow them to do so.

[Endus]

This is all I need to know to dismiss your arguments presented here. You have obviously not used these tools, I totally understand if you dont know how to code professionally or whatever. Thats fine. We all work in different industries, but the AI companies has made a ton of advances in this area and others.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/25/b...ai-coders.html

The NYT has a piece on how AI revolutionized that part of the industry. The claim isnt that it has replaced workers but that it has produced a valuable product and many industries have agreed that it is valuable.

From the article itself;

But while joblessness has ticked up and widespread layoffs might eventually come, the more immediate downside for software engineers appears to be a change in the quality of their work. Some say it is becoming more routine, less thoughtful and, crucially, much faster paced.

So you're citing a source that agrees with my point that it's producing bad work, faster, rather than contributing to quality of product.

Sure, employers who want a rapid pace and will accept shitty-but-functional work might prefer AI tools, but that's again backing up my point.

Did you bother reading this before posting? Christ, dude. Pretty sure this isn't a first time you've cited a source to contradict me that, on perusal, backed me up.

Also the part of they dont understand the code is nonsense lol. They dont understand the code in the way a human understands it but it knows what its supposed to do.

100% incorrect. They do not. "Understanding" is completely beyond any AI algorithm being developed today. They don't even have a framework for how they might approach that problem, let alone anything close to a workable solution.

You can literally feed it blocks of code and it writes the documentation for you. It struggles with large codebases but none has claimed that it is a 1:1 to a software developer. It can provide detailed analysis of documents you feed it. Obviously you need to supervise it as it does stuff but it has changed how things work.

Parroting what other actual coders have said is not "understanding". And these "analyses" are so often filled with errors that it takes serious review to make sure it's not just outright lying or making stuff up. This was also covered in the article; "The engineers said many colleagues have been reluctant to use these new tools because they require a lot of double-checking and because the engineers want to have more control."

Like your argument about no marketable product would have made sense 3 years ago, now you sound like the people that said the internet was a passing fad. AI and LLMs are really cool tech that are changing the landscape in white collar jobs. Your lot, much like nuclear power would kill it and feed that money to large copyright holders.

As opposed to feeding it to dishonest thieves and fraudsters? Oh noooooo.

You can do AI ethically. You're defending it being produced unethically, by stealing IP you have no rights to.

Leftists really are a cancer to human progress.

This is just your personal political bias, and has no basis in reality whatsoever. Particularly as what you're defending can't reasonably be considered a step of human progress. It's regressive. You can see it all through your article, and how negatively those code algos are impinging on workers' quality of work-life. You just don't care about workers, if techbros and massive companies can squeeze them to make more profit off their labor. And that's not a positive for humanity. Which should go without saying, but here you are, pretending a cyberpunk dystopia would be great for everyone.

[SAY HER NAME]

The first thing is, they are right in that AI doesn't understand what it is creating as they are parroting programs. If you input said code into it, it just runs and outputs whatever the code was meant to output. That is standard executable stuff. No current LLM or AI algorithm understands, at all, anything you input into it as it has no need to. Look up any AI video showing eating of stuff. That is what I mean that it has no understanding of what eating is except for possibly putting objects into mouth. It doesn't look even remotely natural and looks disturbing at the minimum. AIs, in their current form, have no form of sentience or actual working intelligence of any kind.

However, no AI, and I will not delve into this seeing as it is off-topic for this thread, can create something novel. It has to use examples from other sources that were already created in order to extrapolate it into something else. So any code it makes will literally be based off of prior code and generally will be not as well written as far as functionality because of unexpected code designs that it might introduce to try and figure out what the user wants.

Is AI and LLMs useful tools? Sure. But the argument isn't if they are useful tools. The argument is should companies like Meta, Alphabet/Google, X/Grok, Apple and other such companies be allowed to use copyrighted content for usage in their LLM when they actively profit off of said LLMs without paying the content creator a fee or even asking for their permission. Those companies actively want to use that content for their own profit making ventures without permission or reimbursing said creators which is, as of now, illegal to do so. They are trying to get the laws changed to allow them to do so.

Oh yeah I dont think they are sentient or whatever. My gripe is that we already know LLMs and other forms of AI have made a big impact. They have resulted in really useful tools that have changed how we do things. And as these tools improve they will have a larger impact. So, my issue is why is any second being spent on trying to make sure that getty images is getting paid. These companies already have the current system of laws to seek remedy from if they feel like they are being harmed.

The government should stop these interests from even be considered, unless you arent really committed to developing these things. Something that I have seen with nuclear power regulations, something Ive lived through. The result from that wasnt a safer and cleaner energy grid, it was that coal and gas became even more important to our grid. These regulations dont help build things "responsibly", they just eliminate whatever they were meant to regulate.

I am going to cut it here from my end too.

[Edge-]

Oh yeah I dont think they are sentient or whatever. My gripe is that we already know LLMs and other forms of AI have already made a big impact. They have resulted in really useful tools that have changed how we do things. And as these tools improve the impact they have will be larger. So my issue is why is any second being spent on trying to make sure that getty images is getting paid.

lmao because licensing and copyright and ownership fucking exists and without it then it's every thief out for themselves lol

is this even a serious fucking sentiment?

i mean, do you realize how much the industrial revolution was held back because of things like "labor laws"?!?!? imagine all the progress and how much more good it could have done!

These companies already have the current system of laws to seek remedy from if they feel like they are being harmed. The government should stop these interests from even be considered, unless you arent really committed to developing these things.

first off, laws should be and are routinely updated as time progresses and technology and society changes. welcome to reality, my dude.

second off, what the hell does that second sentence even mean? if you can't develop your AI model without rampant theft then your company doesn't deserve to exist. again, what kind of fucking sentiment is this lmao

Which is what has been the result of nuclear power regulations. The result from that wasnt a safer and cleaner energy grid, it was that coal and gas became even more important to our grid. These regulations dont help build things "responsibly", they just eliminate whatever they were meant to regulate.

"some bad regulations and social disinformation campaigns resulted in some bad things once so we should never regulate emerging technologies ever again" is sure a take

by the way how does this sidebar even relate to donald trump?

[Fugus]

You know, in a way, the slide into fascism would somehow bother me less if it was a less... FUCKING STUPID. So fucking painfully stupid.

No fiery speeches, obscure historical and ideological references, nothing. Just fucking stupidity, incompetence, buffoonery and cringe.

And somehow, they are still winning. I think that's the most demoralizing part for me. It so fucking pathetic.

I think a lot of that is due to the fact that they started attacking education and unions since before I was born which hurt much of the working class while also keeping them too stupid to know much of it and too busy just scraping by to learn and then combine that with the deregulation allowing media companies to merge to where 6 companies own basically all the media outlets.

Then take all that combine with a Democratic Party that, while better than the Republicans, are still pushing many similar things chasing the same money.

You kept having Trump run against status quo even though they know that isn’t working for most Americans and to make it worse, they ran with women knowing that racism and sexism is still alive and well in America.

They ran economically centrist to center right knowing that isn’t what most want and isn’t helping many Americans trying to deal with health care, education and living wages while running women knowing that would galvanize the republicans against them and even bring out more to vote because of it.

I mean yeah, Obama won as a black man, but that was only because he was campaigning as a progressive pushing for “Hope and Change” after Bush Jr ran is into the Great Recession. And they were burning effigies of the man from trees. If Bush hadn’t been so fresh in the voters minds, many of them would have refused to vote for Obama. If Obama has campaigned as a centrist, many would have refused to vote for Obama.

I agree, this slide into fascism is stupid, and it was very preventable both times. But the Republicans only care about power and saw him as the ticket to it while the Democrats are more concerned with Status Quo than actually winning. Would rather lose with a Harris than win with a Walz.

[Tech614]

by the way how does this sidebar even relate to donald trump?

Basically MAGA NED who doesn't want to admit he's MAGA is trying to cheerlead Trump to trample on state's rights so tech bros can use their AI slop so steal others work.

That about sums up the relevance it has to Trump.

[Mayhem]

Leftists really are a cancer to human progress.

I'd ask for examples, but you seem to have no clue what human progress means.

[Shadowferal]

"Dementia" seems to be trending;

Donald Trump Dementia Rumors In Overdrive As He's 'Displaying Obvious Signs of Decline'

Struggles to 'even finish a sentence': Behind the obvious signs of Trump's growing dementia

[alach]

I find that odd.
He seems to me the same babbling simpleton he was at least five years ago. Mr "Beep Beep Would you rather die by shark or electrocution?"
I even saved an old interview he did years ago because of how batshit nonsense it was and will share a portion with you now,

Donald Trump called into conservative talk radio host Hugh Hewitt’s show on Thursday, spending almost 45 minutes doling out his usual mix of braggadocio, blame-gaming and just plain old riffing.
Hewitt: What did you communicate to Baradar, Mullah Baradar, Abdul Baradar who you talked to when you spoke to him? What did you tell him?

Trump: So I set up a conversation with him, and people said oh, you shouldn’t be talking. Well, I set up a conversation with Kim Jong Un of North Korea. We didn’t have a nuclear war. Had I not, then Obama would have been right. We would have had a nuclear war. President Obama said to me we’re going to have a nuclear war with North Korea. I said have you ever spoken to him. He said no. And I said don’t you think that might be a good idea. But anyway, I know he wanted to speak to him, but he never got to speak to him, and I think the other side didn’t want to talk to Obama. So what happened is I spoke to the head of the, the known head, because it’s…

Hewitt: Yeah, Baradar, right? Baradar.

Trump: Yeah, but I spoke to, and sort of the known head, but nobody was sure, but now I’m sure, and I was sure then when I was speaking to him. And I knew as soon as I spoke to him. And even the introduction, I say hello, and he screamed something very tough. And I then started with him. I said, listen, before we start the longtime conversation and conversations that we’re going to have, I have to say one thing, and I’ll never have to say it again to you. And here’s what I say. If you do anything bad to the United States of America, if you do anything bad to any of our civilians, to any American citizen, or if you do anything out of the normal, you know, they’ve been fighting for a thousand years, but out of the normal, because you’ve had your wars, and if you do anything out of the normal, but anything bad to America or any American citizens, I will hit you harder than anybody has ever been hit in world history. You will be hit harder than any country and any person has ever been hit in world history. And we will start with the exact location and the exact town, and it’s right here. And I believe I repeated the name of his town. That will be the first place that we start. And I won’t be able to speak to you anymore after that, and isn’t that a very sad thing? But that is the story. And then he asked me one question, and I’d rather not repeat that question, because it’s a very scary question. But he asked me one question, and I gave him the answer yes. And then after it was all done, I said OK, now I’ve said what I’m going to say. Let’s have a conversation. And I said we’re going to be leaving after 21 years. And when we leave, you’re going to leave us alone, and we’re going to leave with great dignity and great honor. And we are going to take care of this situation. We’re going to take our time. We had a date of May 1, but they missed a couple of conditions. We had some very strong conditions, Hugh. But they missed a couple of conditions. I wanted to be out by May 1. I had spoken to him quite a bit before May 1, but we had a condition of May 1. But they missed conditions, and so therefore, I bombed and we hit them very hard. And then we said we will agree to those conditions. I said no, you’ve already agreed to them. Don’t play games. We had them so good. They weren’t in Kabul. You take a look at when they started taking over Afghanistan. It’s when I left. When I left, that’s when it started, they started going wild, because they were dealing with another president. And I never realized, and of course I realized the importance and power of the presidency, but I never realized how important the office of the president is until this happened, because when I watched what happened over the last week and a half with some horrible, stupid decisions that were made, number one being allowing our military to leave before the civilians and before we get all of our equipment back, $83 billion dollars. And not, nobody can even comprehend that much equipment. Thousands of vehicles, thousands, you saw the list of vehicles.

Ladies and gentlemen, the 47th president of the USA, 4 years ago.

For the records

[Gorsameth]

I find that odd.
He seems to me the same babbling simpleton he was at least five years ago. Mr "Beep Beep Would you rather die by shark or electrocution?"
I even saved an old interview he did years ago because of how batshit nonsense it was and will share a portion with you now,



Ladies and gentlemen, the 47th president of the USA, 4 years ago.

For the records

is it odd? 4 years ago people were also calling him demented.

Demented person is still demented 4 years later is not odd.

[Flarelaine]

At this point I would love to see the rest of our allies refer to California as the next Canadian territory

Nah, Denmark already called dibs on California. And they have a proven history of working things out with Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War

In 1984, Canadian soldiers visited (Hans Island) and planted a Canadian flag, also leaving a bottle of Canadian whisky.[10] The Danish Minister of Greenland Affairs came to the island himself later the same year with the Danish flag, a bottle of snaps, and a letter stating "Welcome to the Danish Island" (Velkommen til den danske ø).[11][12][13] The two countries proceeded to take turns planting their flags on the island and exchanging alcoholic beverages.

[Draco-Onis]

You know, in a way, the slide into fascism would somehow bother me less if it was a less... FUCKING STUPID. So fucking painfully stupid.

No fiery speeches, obscure historical and ideological references, nothing. Just fucking stupidity, incompetence, buffoonery and cringe.

And somehow, they are still winning. I think that's the most demoralizing part for me. It so fucking pathetic.

I have to agree with this if this turn to fascism was being led by a charismatic young leader it would sting less. For reasons beyond me the right decided a morbidly obese 80 year old who can barely form coherent sentences was going to be the tip of the spear. It reinforces the stereotype of Americans being fucking morons, I can't think of a sadder downfall for an empire than this.

[Xath]

You know, in a way, the slide into fascism would somehow bother me less if it was a less... FUCKING STUPID. So fucking painfully stupid.

No fiery speeches, obscure historical and ideological references, nothing. Just fucking stupidity, incompetence, buffoonery and cringe.

And somehow, they are still winning. I think that's the most demoralizing part for me. It so fucking pathetic.

They got rid of any eloquent deception and focused purely on hate and it works because a far larger chunk of people are scum than I thought.

[Kaleredar]

"Dementia" seems to be trending;

Donald Trump Dementia Rumors In Overdrive As He's 'Displaying Obvious Signs of Decline'

Struggles to 'even finish a sentence': Behind the obvious signs of Trump's growing dementia

Dang how is the news gonna deflect to Biden?

[Belize]

Dang how is the news gonna deflect to Biden?

Incoming 3 hour segment about how the deep state has been hiding the truth about Biden's butthole.