Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Good. Charge him with human trafficking as part of his MS-13 gang activities. Confront the country with the MS-13 association that they've tried very hard to ignore, included being detained transporting illegal aliens from Texas to Tennessee.

Also, get a statement from Bukele on the circumstances of his release.

Maybe you should confront yourself with the fact that they have yet to prove any actual MS-13 association.

I know you guys really don't like the whole "due process" thing but a big part of that is the whole "presumption of innocence" deal.

[Edge-]

Maybe you should confront yourself with the fact that they have yet to prove any actual MS-13 association.

I know you guys really don't like the whole "due process" thing but a big part of that is the whole "presumption of innocence" deal.

well you see

he's brown

[david0925]

Just report him. Eventually it will get to a mod that's not his main account

[Kaleredar]

Good. Charge him with human trafficking as part of his MS-13 gang activities. Confront the country with the MS-13 association that they've tried very hard to ignore, included being detained transporting illegal aliens from Texas to Tennessee.

Also, get a statement from Bukele on the circumstances of his release.

If it was such a slam-dunk why did they deny him due process in the first place?

Why is following the law so difficult for the Trump administration?

[Edge-]

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...taxes-00393386

Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday suggested California consider withholding tens of billions in annual federal tax dollars amid reports Donald Trump is preparing funding cuts targeting the state.

Newsom’s suggestion came after CNN reported the president was considering a “full termination” of federal grant funding for California’s universities.

“Californians pay the bills for the federal government. We pay over $80 BILLION more in taxes than we get back,” the Democratic governor said in an X post Friday afternoon, referencing a recent analysis from the Rockefeller Institute that California contributed about $83 billion more in federal taxes in 2022 than it received back from Washington.

“Maybe it’s time to cut that off,” he added.

White House spokesperson Kush Desai, asked to comment on Newsom’s post, threw cold water on mass funding cuts but blasted California for what he said were “lunatic anti-energy, soft-on-crime, pro-child mutilation, and pro-sanctuary policies.”

“The Trump administration is committed to ending this nightmare and restoring the California Dream,” Desai said in a statement. “No final decisions, however, on any potential future action by the Administration have been made, and any discussion suggesting otherwise should be considered pure speculation.”

why would they want the money of lunatic anti-energy, soft-on-crime, pro-child mutilation (wut?), pro-sanctuary policy people?

anyways, FAFO all around

CA pays for a lot of red state welfare and is the biggest contribute to the US economy, being the fourth largest economy in the world itself. i'm under no illusions this is something that's reasonable or that it wouldn't be a disasterous mess but this is where donald trump and republicans are driving this nation.

if a donald does try to move ahead with this i say turnabout is fair play if a democrat gets into office - defund republicans states and let them suffer without the socialist dollars from other states providing the safety net they need

[tehdang]

If it was such a slam-dunk why did they deny him due process in the first place?

Why is following the law so difficult for the Trump administration?

This guy had his due process, was found to be removable, but the government made a mistake.

Maybe you should confront yourself with the fact that they have yet to prove any actual MS-13 association.

I know you guys really don't like the whole "due process" thing but a big part of that is the whole "presumption of innocence" deal.

That's why I said "Confront the country with the MS-13 association that they've tried very hard to ignore." The article has tons of details, and a link to the indictment. Read it, and tell me how often you transport illegals with gang members from Texas to Tennessee, and how much you presume that happens to Maryland fathers?

So, if it is shown in a court of law that there is evidence of him being MS-13 and the like, great. Deport him and call it a day.

However, what excuse will you make if there is no evidence showing any of what he is being accused of? Are you still going to argue that he should be deported when there is no evidence to show that he should be deported?

Why do you think only gang members should be deported?

Two judges found him removable. He was sent to the wrong country. Repetition #700 of the same removable alien found so by judges and falsely called "but meh due process!!"

Interesting framing given that this has never been proven in a court of law.

Weird how he's now indicted... and I just said to charge him. Is this because you didn't read the article, or you just trying to troll and quibble and post non-substantively?

[Edge-]

Weird how he's now indicted... and I just said to charge him. Is this because you didn't read the article, or you just trying to troll and quibble and post non-substantively?

I feel like this is where we mention that a prosecutor could get a special jury to indict a ham sandwich.

As part of his "alleged" would have made more sense as his membership in MS-13 has still yet to be proven anywhere. The government still only alleges it.

Unless you're still taking that picture someone used MS Paint to put "M S 1 3" on a picture of his knuckles is real, still.

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This guy had his due process, was found to be removable, but the government made a mistake.

By denying him his due process and removing him to a country he was not supposed to be removed to and then spending months fighting it.

God your dishonesty is truly astounding. Impressive, actually. If due process was followed he wouldn't have been removed to a country he wasn't legally allowed to be deported to. Odd how many mistakes ICE and immigration keeps making, almost like the mistakes are due to them not giving a shit or working in good faith.

But of course you don't appear concerned about that, either. They won't come for you, after all, you're white!

[gondrin]

This guy had his due process, was found to be removable, but the government made a mistake.

That's why I said "Confront the country with the MS-13 association that they've tried very hard to ignore." The article has tons of details, and a link to the indictment. Read it, and tell me how often you transport illegals with gang members from Texas to Tennessee, and how much you presume that happens to Maryland fathers?

Why do you think only gang members should be deported?

Two judges found him removable. He was sent to the wrong country. Repetition #700 of the same removable alien found so by judges and falsely called "but meh due process!!"

Weird how he's now indicted... and I just said to charge him. Is this because you didn't read the article, or you just trying to troll and quibble and post non-substantively?

Except for, he had his due process rights violated because he was deported to a country that he was prohibited from being deported to. And no, I didn't say only gang members. I said if the charges levied against him are valid and is found guilty in a court of law(due process), deport him. I just used the MS-13 thing because it keeps getting repeated while there is NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE, AT THIS TIME, OF BEING TRUE. It is an accusation that was levied against him that this administration has ran with. Until it is proven in a court of law, with a legit guilty verdict attached to it, it is nothing more than an accusation. This is why I keep saying Trump has been accused of sexual assault, up to and including rape, of minors. I am not saying that he is guilty of it. I am not saying he actually did it. I say that he is accused of doing that. Because, until he gets his day in court, Trump, like everyone else, gets the presumption of innocence. Same with Garcia here. He gets the presumption of innocence.

However, if he is shown, with evidence, that he is guilty of trafficking people, deport him.

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I feel like this is where we mention that a prosecutor could get a special jury to indict a ham sandwich.

As part of his "alleged" would have made more sense as his membership in MS-13 has still yet to be proven anywhere. The government still only alleges it.

Unless you're still taking that picture someone used MS Paint to put "M S 1 3" on a picture of his knuckles is real, still.

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By denying him his due process and removing him to a country he was not supposed to be removed to and then spending months fighting it.

God your dishonesty is truly astounding. Impressive, actually. If due process was followed he wouldn't have been removed to a country he wasn't legally allowed to be deported to. Odd how many mistakes ICE and immigration keeps making, almost like the mistakes are due to them not giving a shit or working in good faith.

But of course you don't appear concerned about that, either. They won't come for you, after all, you're white!

The big irony is they would have spent LESS money and LESS resources actually just keeping the man jailed in a cell within the US than doing this. So much for efficiency and not wanting to waste money.

[Edge-]

The big irony is they would have spent LESS money and LESS resources actually just keeping the man jailed in a cell within the US than doing this. So much for efficiency and not wanting to waste money.

Well this is what Republican leadership gets you - costly incompetence.

[tehdang]

I feel like this is where we mention that a prosecutor could get a special jury to indict a ham sandwich.

He was driving a car transporting nine people without luggage through multiple states, and the owner of the car Garcia was driving claimed Garcia had been hired multiple times to transport illegals. I feel like this is the furthest thing from indicting a ham sandwich.

By denying him his due process and removing him to a country he was not supposed to be removed to and then spending months fighting it.

He was found removable by two judges, as was his due process of removal. If you want to keep quibbling on semantics, I've indulged you long enough. His rights were violated in any case.

Except for, he had his due process rights violated because he was deported to a country that he was prohibited from being deported to. And no, I didn't say only gang members. I said if the charges levied against him are valid and is found guilty in a court of law(due process), deport him.

He was already eligible to be deported, because he received his due process through three immigration hearings. Illegal aliens don't have to be convicted of a crime in a criminal court to be removable. Now, he's being charged with one.

I just used the MS-13 thing because it keeps getting repeated while there is NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE, AT THIS TIME, OF BEING TRUE. It is an accusation that was levied against him that this administration has ran with. Until it is proven in a court of law, with a legit guilty verdict attached to it, it is nothing more than an accusation. This is why I keep saying Trump has been accused of sexual assault, up to and including rape, of minors. I am not saying that he is guilty of it. I am not saying he actually did it. I say that he is accused of doing that. Because, until he gets his day in court, Trump, like everyone else, gets the presumption of innocence. Same with Garcia here. He gets the presumption of innocence.

The evidence from the Tennessee Highway Patrol stop directly contradicts your "NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE, AT THIS TIME, OF BEING TRUE." You can repeat this in caps and whatever else you feel like, but your ignorance of the contents of the linked article and its linked indictment is on display.

May I remind you, that "there is NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE" is quite a different thing than "it hasn't been proven in a court of law." There is evidence, and he has now been indicted. There was evidence before, but the courts it was presented in were not criminal courts, so he was just found to be deprived of his life, liberty, or property through due process.

[Breccia]

Weird how he's now indicted

You voted for someone indicted with stealing federal national security documents and keeping them for himself, documents found in his house. "Indicted" means nothing to you. Your entire lack of defense is handwaved.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

That's why I said "Confront the country with the MS-13 association that they've tried very hard to ignore." The article has tons of details, and a link to the indictment. Read it, and tell me how often you transport illegals with gang members from Texas to Tennessee, and how much you presume that happens to Maryland fathers?

Prove the Association before you start accusing other people of ignoring the association.

[Edge-]

He was driving a car transporting nine people without luggage through multiple states, and the owner of the car Garcia was driving claimed Garcia had been hired multiple times to transport illegals. I feel like this is the furthest thing from indicting a ham sandwich.

Is that supposed to be proof he's in a gang or something? I'm confused.

[Belize]

Is that supposed to be proof he's in a gang or something? I'm confused.

Didn't you know driving with passengers is UNAMERICAN and proves you're in a gang?

[Jastall]

The principle of innocence until proven guilt is so quickly discarded by some the moment it becomes politically convenient to do so, it seems.

If he's to be deported, so be it, but do it properly. The frenzy around this guy does not make Republicans look good at all.

[Nightmare Queen]

Mediocre Musk…. The man’s last name is a synonym for Sweat stink and that was the best he could do….

African Musk
Butt Musk
Ball Musk

That’s just off the top of my head. So many possibilities with that one.

Martian Musk

[tehdang]

Prove the Association before you start accusing other people of ignoring the association.

I don't know what else you want, besides the association (read the article before continuing), and charging the man (read the indictment before continuing).

I ask you again, tell me how often you transport illegals with gang members from Texas to Tennessee, and how much you presume that happens to Maryland fathers?

Is that supposed to be proof he's in a gang or something? I'm confused.

You're the one that brought up the case of a grand jury indicting a ham sandwich. This one obviously has meat on the bone. Human trafficking when you actually catch the guy with 9 illegals in the car, in a state he doesn't live in, coming from a state he doesn't live in either? Tell me you agree with me that this indictment is far removed from the adage about the ham sandwich. Unless you, like several forum posters around here, regularly interact with people transporting 9 people in a modified Suburban.

From the amount of times I hear that there's no evidence, I might just need to spend some more time in Maryland. Apparently the scene of using somebody else's SUV to drive 9 people without luggage cross-country is evidence of nothing at all in particular. A human trafficker? Nah, that's just what Marylanders do when the car's owner is in prison!

It would be much easier to admit this indictment has teeth. I said he should be charged, and he is, so well done everybody. Seven more rounds of due process after the three he already received.

[Endus]

You're the one that brought up the case of a grand jury indicting a ham sandwich. This one obviously has meat on the bone. Human trafficking when you actually catch the guy with 9 illegals in the car, in a state he doesn't live in, coming from a state he doesn't live in either? Tell me you agree with me that this indictment is far removed from the adage about the ham sandwich. Unless you, like several forum posters around here, regularly interact with people transporting 9 people in a modified Suburban.

From the amount of times I hear that there's no evidence, I might just need to spend some more time in Maryland. Apparently the scene of using somebody else's SUV to drive 9 people without luggage cross-country is evidence of nothing at all in particular. A human trafficker? Nah, that's just what Marylanders do when the car's owner is in prison!

It would be much easier to admit this indictment has teeth. I said he should be charged, and he is, so well done everybody. Seven more rounds of due process after the three he already received.

"Human trafficking" means the subjects/victims are being coerced somehow, whether debt bondage, enslavement, what have you.

There'd be the crime of evading border security, if he were crossing the national border. But there's no such equivalent for interstate travel, not unless it's in the process of committing a crime, and you still haven't identified an actual crime.

Cite the actual law you think was violated. Because "there was an undocumented guy in my car" isn't a crime. Nor is "being undocumented and crossing state lines". Nor is "being undocumented and not having a valid visa". I could go on.

Cite the actual laws broken, because all you're really saying here is "Brown people! Not citizens! In a car!"

You may as well just be demanding "Papiere, bitte."

[Kaleredar]

I don't know what else you want, besides the association (read the article before continuing), and charging the man (read the indictment before continuing).

I ask you again, tell me how often you transport illegals with gang members from Texas to Tennessee, and how much you presume that happens to Maryland fathers?

You're the one that brought up the case of a grand jury indicting a ham sandwich. This one obviously has meat on the bone. Human trafficking when you actually catch the guy with 9 illegals in the car, in a state he doesn't live in, coming from a state he doesn't live in either? Tell me you agree with me that this indictment is far removed from the adage about the ham sandwich. Unless you, like several forum posters around here, regularly interact with people transporting 9 people in a modified Suburban.

From the amount of times I hear that there's no evidence, I might just need to spend some more time in Maryland. Apparently the scene of using somebody else's SUV to drive 9 people without luggage cross-country is evidence of nothing at all in particular. A human trafficker? Nah, that's just what Marylanders do when the car's owner is in prison!

It would be much easier to admit this indictment has teeth. I said he should be charged, and he is, so well done everybody. Seven more rounds of due process after the three he already received.

You’re bandying on about transporting people about being why he was to be indicted but then claiming he’s to be deported for being a member of MS13, these things are not the same thing.

[Moralgy]

If guy is found guilty of *insert one of like 40 things he has been claimed to be* get rid of him. But it really is sus that what he "is" changed every few days to try to make him seem worse and worse over time. All that matters is due process be given.