Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[tehdang]

You’re bandying on about transporting people about being why he was to be indicted

Conspiracy to transport illegal aliens within the United States for private gain is in fact against the law.

but then claiming he’s to be deported for being a member of MS13, these things are not the same thing.

I said to charge him with human trafficking as part of his MS-13 gang activities. He should be deported simply for being illegally in this country, with no valid claim of asylum. The MS-13 activities are why the sob stories on "Maryland father" don't land, and why Democrats were damaging themselves politically.

The latter is why Hakeem Jeffries (Democratic minority leader in the House) urged his fellow Democrats to nix the El Salvador trip.

[Kaleredar]

Conspiracy to transport illegal aliens within the United States for private gain is in fact against the law.

…which doesn’t make him a member of MS 13…

I said to charge him with human trafficking as part of his MS-13 gang activities.

So charge him for something you don’t have proof of him having been a part of…? I’m missing your throughline here, you should really be more consistent with your message. Try and be more accurate with what you’re typing, please.

He should be deported simply for being illegally in this country, with no valid claim of asylum. The MS-13 activities are why the sob stories on "Maryland father" don't land, and why Democrats were damaging themselves politically.

The latter is why Hakeem Jeffries (Democratic minority leader in the House) urged his fellow Democrats to nix the El Salvador trip.

I’m sorry, was he convicted of being part of MS-13? You’re going back to talking about different things again.

[Captain N]

There really should be deportations for rapist supporting liars who just blather on with one racist trope after another.

[tehdang]

…which doesn’t make him a member of MS 13…

That one will be hard after the case goes to trial. His co-conspirators (at least one) have agreed to testify in exchange for immunity agreements. But I was already happy enough with the evidence before his deportation on the MS-13 front.

So charge him for something you don’t have proof of him having been a part of…? I’m missing your throughline here, you should really be more consistent with your message. Try and be more accurate with what you’re typing, please.

That's.... exactly what just happened.

I’m sorry, was he convicted of being part of MS-13? You’re going back to talking about different things again.

I just said it. He was deported for being an illegal alien, regrettably to the wrong country. He was denied bond for being a verified member of MS-13. Different things, indeed. The human trafficking, confidential informants, gang tattoos, gang graphics, Prince Georges County gang unit, and all the rest (that convinced two judges to deny him bail) settle it for me.

I want to thank the US system of justice and due process for giving me a document written by a judge that says "as the evidence shows that he is a verified member of MS-13." I would also like to thank the members here for reminding me to include that Garcia (Respondent) "has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."

[Kaleredar]

That one will be hard after the case goes to trial. His co-conspirators (at least one) have agreed to testify in exchange for immunity agreements. But I was already happy enough with the evidence before his deportation on the MS-13 front.

That's.... exactly what just happened.

I just said it. He was deported for being an illegal alien, regrettably to the wrong country. He was denied bond for being a verified member of MS-13. Different things, indeed. The human trafficking, confidential informants, gang tattoos, gang graphics, Prince Georges County gang unit, and all the rest (that convinced two judges to deny him bail) settle it for me.

I want to thank the US system of justice and due process for giving me a document written by a judge that says "as the evidence shows that he is a verified member of MS-13." I would also like to thank the members here for reminding me to include that Garcia (Respondent) "has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."

…and this non-existent conviction resulted in him being deported without due process. Or maybe the allegations of transporting people caused that same deportation? Hard to say, what without all that “due process” and stuff.

I don’t really even know what you’re going on about anymore.

[tehdang]

There really should be deportations for rapist supporting liars who just blather on with one racist trope after another.

That's kind of a downgrade after being called "pro-rapist, anti-lgbtq, pro-genocide, anti-woman!" But I guess you want me both banned from the forums and deported now, so I'll have to keep the tally going.

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…and this non-existent conviction

Always moving the goalposts. I said he was a member of MS-13. I am satisfied on that count on the weight of the evidence. Which you never even admit having seen. It's just as well dismissing it without having viewed it. I never alleged MS-13 was a criminal conviction or sentencing enhancement.

resulted in him being deported without due process.

He would've been deported anyways. Remember, the destination was the mistake. The deportation was due process.

Or maybe the allegations of transporting people caused that same deportation?

I already covered this. People in this country illegally are subject to a hearing resulting in their being found removable and deported. Whatever other illegal acts are really beside the point. It just makes the illegal alien less of a sob story, and more politically toxic.

I don’t really even know what you’re going on about anymore.

Please read my past posts to discover I never claimed he had been convicted of gang membership. Also discover the difference between being personally convinced of his MS-13 membership on the weight of the evidence, and hoping that he is charged for human trafficking.

[Doomcookie]

Conspiracy to transport illegal aliens within the United States for private gain is in fact against the law.

I said to charge him with human trafficking as part of his MS-13 gang activities. He should be deported simply for being illegally in this country, with no valid claim of asylum. The MS-13 activities are why the sob stories on "Maryland father" don't land, and why Democrats were damaging themselves politically.

The latter is why Hakeem Jeffries (Democratic minority leader in the House) urged his fellow Democrats to nix the El Salvador trip.

So is sexual assault and being a rapist.

But, as we can all see by your avatar, that seems to be something you fully support.

Care to disagree?

Why is being the wrong color worse than being a sexual predator, in your eyes?

[Kaleredar]

That's kind of a downgrade after being called "pro-rapist, anti-lgbtq, pro-genocide, anti-woman!" But I guess you want me both banned from the forums and deported now, so I'll have to keep the tally going.

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Always moving the goalposts. I said he was a member of MS-13. I am satisfied on that count on the weight of the evidence. Which you never even admit having seen. It's just as well dismissing it without having viewed it. I never alleged MS-13 was a criminal conviction or sentencing enhancement.

He would've been deported anyways. Remember, the destination was the mistake. The deportation was due process.

I already covered this. People in this country illegally are subject to a hearing resulting in their being found removable and deported. Whatever other illegal acts are really beside the point. It just makes the illegal alien less of a sob story, and more politically toxic.

Please read my past posts to discover I never claimed he had been convicted of gang membership. Also discover the difference between being personally convinced of his MS-13 membership on the weight of the evidence, and hoping that he is charged for human trafficking.

…and why, pray tell, did none of this sentencing for which all of this evidence is apparently so overwhelming, happen? Because if sentencing had happened properly, he wouldn’t have been sent to the wrong country. Ergo… it did not.

Is it that someone, somewhere, can be as “convinced” as you were and therefore the person they’re accusing can be subject to being tossed to wherever country?

[Gabriel]

Martian Musk

That's giving him way too much credit.

[Breccia]

(desperately tries to paint brown person as criminal, votes for convicted felon)

Keep saying "human trafficking" while supporting and approving one of Epstein's buddies. There is just as much evidence for both. Your lack of consistency is proof you have no defense and your entire argument is handwaved.

[PACOX]

You literally cannot have a honest conversation about Garcia's charges without saying multiple billionaires can get hit with the same exact charges. If your argument is "to bring forth justice" then it should apply to the most prolific violators as well. Otherwise inequality when it comes to slapping people with trafficking charges in the context of this thread is 110% rooted in racism and xenophobia.

[Captain N]

Keep saying "human trafficking" while supporting and approving one of Epstein's buddies. There is just as much evidence for both. Your lack of consistency is proof you have no defense and your entire argument is handwaved.

But we do know that buddy is definitely OK with human trafficking as we've seen his welcoming of the Tates. So there's actually more evidence there than there is for the other.

[Gabriel]

"Human trafficking" means the subjects/victims are being coerced somehow, whether debt bondage, enslavement, what have you.

There'd be the crime of evading border security, if he were crossing the national border. But there's no such equivalent for interstate travel, not unless it's in the process of committing a crime, and you still haven't identified an actual crime.

Cite the actual law you think was violated. Because "there was an undocumented guy in my car" isn't a crime. Nor is "being undocumented and crossing state lines". Nor is "being undocumented and not having a valid visa". I could go on.

Cite the actual laws broken, because all you're really saying here is "Brown people! Not citizens! In a car!"

You may as well just be demanding "Papiere, bitte."

That's the point that the Nazis want to get to, but they have to put on this show until they have absolute power.

[tehdang]

…and why, pray tell, did none of this sentencing for which all of this evidence is apparently so overwhelming, happen? Because if sentencing had happened properly, he wouldn’t have been sent to the wrong country. Ergo… it did not.

I don't know why you're going off on "sentencing" at an immigration court. Why are you on about this? Is somebody else here alleging that an illegal alien was convicted of a crime, or that you aren't allowed to have an opinion on them unless they've been convicted of a crime?

Is it that someone, somewhere, can be as “convinced” as you were and therefore the person they’re accusing can be subject to being tossed to wherever country?

Seriously, you need to quote one solitary post of mine so I know why you're bringing up "sentencing" and "convicted." If you're fighting things I never said, you'll get nowhere and confuse yourself.

You literally cannot have a honest conversation about Garcia's charges without saying multiple billionaires can get hit with the same exact charges. If your argument is "to bring forth justice" then it should apply to the most prolific violators as well. Otherwise inequality when it comes to slapping people with trafficking charges in the context of this thread is 110% rooted in racism and xenophobia.

I would love to hear about the MS-13 billionaire illegal alien traffickers that are evading justice. Do they also have 10-seater Suburbans?

It's actually quite fine to say that yes, he is most likely a member of MS-13, and probably practiced human trafficking, and was an illegal alien. You don't have to go on about why it's racism and xenophobia to bring it up. Talk about the issues in a forthright manner and win some elections.

[Edge-]

You may as well just be demanding "Papiere, bitte."

but will they accept a costco membership card?

[Breccia]

ARK ARK ARK *slaps flippers together*

Your refusal to defend the person you voted for and continue to support, while continuing to attach every one of your hatred-filled hopes on a single person you desperately need to be MS-13 to somehow justify your racism as fact, is pathetic. It's deplorable. Even you know you've picked the wrong side on this one.

But you have a lot of deplorable company. Proud Boys demand Trump give them $100 million.

As the lawsuit says, the Proud Boys are claiming rampant malpractice: witness intimidation, lying by prosecutors, etc. They are suing the federal government for violating their civil rights, in a blatant fishing expedition for Trump to settle out of court and just hand them a large pile of taxpayer money for supporting them.

Now that the Plaintiffs are vindicated, free, and able to once again exercise their rights as American citizens-

Pardons aren't vindication. And they never lost their rights. They had trials, appeals, all the due process tehdang wants to deny someone he desperately needs to be a dangerous criminal, because he would literally rather die than make a mistake.

[david0925]

Still waiting for tehdang to explain why he supports rapist and convicted felon like everyone else

[Fugus]

Again, why the fuck do you guys continue to feed him?

When he presents new lies, just call them out for being lies and tell him you will respond to them after he actually responds to the previous lies you already called him out on.

But as it stands you guys are doing you own personal Trump impersonations, “Listen here Abdul (tehdang in this case), I am going to give you everything you want and I will wag my finger at you if you don’t accept it”.

Seriously, just refuse to respond to his new lies till he answers his old ones. If you are that hellbent on responding to him, at least do it in a way that might actually prevent him from dropping old lies and moving his goalposts so easily.

Edit: and honest question, when has the moderation in this section of the forum EVER done their job in a timely fashion if at all? If this was a real paying job, I would have been fired and blacklisted from the entire industry if I was this bad at doing it.

[Slirith]

Again, why the fuck do you guys continue to feed him?

When he presents new lies, just call them out for being lies and tell him you will respond to them after he actually responds to the previous lies you already called him out on.

But as it stands you guys are doing you own personal Trump impersonations, “Listen here Abdul (tehdang in this case), I am going to give you everything you want and I will wag my finger at you if you don’t accept it”.

Seriously, just refuse to respond to his new lies till he answers his old ones. If you are that hellbent on responding to him, at least do it in a way that might actually prevent him from dropping old lies and moving his goalposts so easily.

Edit: and honest question, when has the moderation in this section of the forum EVER done their job in a timely fashion if at all? If this was a real paying job, I would have been fired and blacklisted from the entire industry if I was this bad at doing it.

Agreed. Bolded however? Never unless you call the trolls mean names then all gloves are off. Infraction time~

[postman1782]

This guy had his due process, was found to be removable, but the government made a mistake.

That's why I said "Confront the country with the MS-13 association that they've tried very hard to ignore." The article has tons of details, and a link to the indictment. Read it, and tell me how often you transport illegals with gang members from Texas to Tennessee, and how much you presume that happens to Maryland fathers?

Why do you think only gang members should be deported?

Two judges found him removable. He was sent to the wrong country. Repetition #700 of the same removable alien found so by judges and falsely called "but meh due process!!"

Weird how he's now indicted... and I just said to charge him. Is this because you didn't read the article, or you just trying to troll and quibble and post non-substantively?

He's now indicted on 100% bullshit charges, they are claiming he started doing the trafficking back to 2016, problem is they found nothing in 2019, before he had a stay order. They literally have no evidence of anything they are claiming, just like that he was MS-13 with no proof.

https://www.tiktok.com/@mdg650hawk7t...22248216921630

Here is a lawyer I follow on Tiktok that has been right about just about everything in this case so far. The video is LOOOOONG, but it explains why EVERYTHING in this indictment is bullshit.

They allege in the indictment that Garcia did thousands of trafficking trips of not just people but guns, drugs and even children, BUT he only has charges for conspiracy to transport aliens, and unlawful transportation of undocumented aliens.

The indictment is 100% bullshit, if Garcia did anything they are alleging, they would be charging him for it. He is going to win a HUGE lawsuit, not only for wrongful arrest, but for defamation.