Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[postman1782]

Military are allowed to disobey illegal orders but nothing he has ordered them to do so far is illegal so not doing it would be a court martial and high chance of screwing over their lives with a non honorable discharge.

They are just sitting in front of government buildings doing mostly nothing, because the idiot brought them in to do nothing.

It's LAPD, ICE and State Police that are fighting with protestors the national guard has done none of that yet to my knowledge.

Actually, with the statute Trump used, which can only be used in rebellion/insurrection, or invasion, it is illegal. And it can only be used on the NG, not the marines.

[Dontrike]

Pretty sure even reality didn't think was possible, until RFK decided to make it so by asking Joe Rogan to advise on vaccine saftey.........yep, it's just that dewormer drinkingly dumb.

One of the eight new members appointed by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to sit on a vaccine advisory panel found national fame with a controversial appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience.

In an X post on Wednesday, Kennedy announced that he had appointed eight new doctors and researchers to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). The expert panel guides the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as well as the Department of Health and Human Services, to make the “most appropriate selection of vaccines and related agents” to effectively manage vaccine-preventable diseases within the country, per the CDC.

Earlier this week, Kennedy fired all 17 previous members of the panel and reinstated eight new ones—a decision he described as a “major step toward restoring public trust in vaccines.”

“I’m now repopulating ACIP with the eight new members who will attend ACIP’s scheduled June 25 meeting,” Kennedy continued. “The slate includes highly credentialed scientists, leading public health experts, and some of America’s most accomplished physicians. All of these individuals are committed to evidence-based medicine, gold-standard science, and common sense. They have each committed to demanding definitive safety and efficacy data before making any new vaccine recommendations.”

One of the eight new members, Dr. Robert Malone, was previously the subject of intense scrutiny—and, in some circles, praise—for conspiracies he touted about the COVID-19 virus and vaccine in a 2021 episode of The Joe Rogan Experience.

At the time, Dr. Malone argued that parts of the population had been “hypnotized” by health professionals into believing that their reports and recommendations on COVID-19 were true. He also questioned the severity of the virus and drew comparisons between the COVID-19 vaccine and Nazi medical experiments, per The New York Times.

Dr. Malone, who played an early role in mRNA research and claims to be the inventor of the technology, was criticized in an open letter from more than 250 healthcare professionals and researchers following the episode for “broadcasting misinformation.”

“On Dec. 31, 2021, The Joe Rogan Experience (JRE), a Spotify-exclusive podcast, uploaded a highly controversial episode featuring guest Dr. Robert Malone (#1757),” the January 2022 open letter to Spotify read. “The episode has been criticized for promoting baseless conspiracy theories and the JRE has a concerning history of broadcasting misinformation, particularly regarding the COVID-19 pandemic.”

In a 2022 profile for The New York Times, Dr. Malone dismissed fact-checks of his claims as “attacks” and maintained that he received pushback because anything that questions guidance from institutions like the CDC is quickly labeled as misinformation.

Meanwhile, the seven other members Kennedy appointed include: Dr. Joseph R. Hibbeln, Dr. Martin Kulldorff (who criticized pandemic protocols in 2020), Dr. Retsef Levi, Dr. Cody Meissner, Dr. James Pagano, Dr. Vicky Pebsworth, and Dr. Michael A. Ross.

[Poopymonster]

well you see making sure deployed troops get paid would require people who know how to do their jobs and follow rules and give a shit about that kind of thing

that's now how they do things in this white house, as we're all well aware

It's kinda sad that the last person who was actually qualified for a position under Donald Trump was Stormy Daniels?

[Tech614]

Actually, with the statute Trump used, which can only be used in rebellion/insurrection, or invasion, it is illegal. And it can only be used on the NG, not the marines.

We weren't talking about marines. The marines have not even arrived yet. The marines are also being deployed via title 10, not the insurrection act. So once again we won't know if anything they are doing is an illegal order until we actually see what they're doing once they get to LA.

And no, the NG sitting on the perimeter of government buildings and not doing anything unless you try to enter said building is not an illegal deployment of them. If they went out onto the street like the cops where and where actively engaging the population then yes it would be illegal without the governor asking for it.

Really, all I'm saying is you guys should absolutely not be blaming military personnel unless you see them carry out an illegal order. Everything they have done so far is just their job and is Drump's fault and no orders yet could be legally defied by them. If you start to see them on the street with police detaining protestors not on government property then yes you have every right to complain about them then.

[btlcryct]

We weren't talking about marines. The marines have not even arrived yet. The marines are also being deployed via title 10, not the insurrection act. So once again we won't know if anything they are doing is an illegal order until we actually see what they're doing once they get to LA.

And no, the NG sitting on the perimeter of government buildings and not doing anything unless you try to enter said building is not an illegal deployment of them. If they went out onto the street like the cops where and where actively engaging the population then yes it would be illegal without the governor asking for it.

Really, all I'm saying is you guys should absolutely not be blaming military personnel unless you see them carry out an illegal order. Everything they have done so far is just their job and is Drump's fault and no orders yet could be legally defied by them. If you start to see them on the street with police detaining protestors not on government property then yes you have every right to complain about them then.

They aren't just guarding buildings, they are on the streets, as posted by ICE themselves:

https://x.com/icegov/status/19325233...0J_O4KrJq_sdlg

And from Mr. DUI hire himself:

https://x.com/petehegseth/status/193...mgl6H5JKk9mlQQ

[Tech614]

They aren't just guarding buildings, they are on the streets, as posted by ICE themselves:

https://x.com/icegov/status/19325233...0J_O4KrJq_sdlg

And from Mr. DUI hire himself:

https://x.com/petehegseth/status/193...mgl6H5JKk9mlQQ

I don't think you understand what on the street means but I see there is no debating with you if you want an excuse to shit on troops who are just doing what they have to do.

For the record this is a picture of ICE taking someone custody into a government facility. The troops are literally guarding a government building. You can literally watch any of the numerous streams from the LA protests and clearly see NG is not "on the streets".

You should be more worried about the LAPD beating the shit out of the people they're supposed to protect than the NG based on what has happened so far.

[btlcryct]

I'm not shitting on the troops, I'm just saying they are involved with the ICE raids themselves, as noted by quotes from ICE itself. From CNN:

Immigration and Customs Enforcement posted images to X on Tuesday of officers detaining individuals in Los Angeles while surrounded by National Guard troops, in what appear to be the first photos showing the Guard’s involvement in ICE operations.

Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement that troops are on the ground to protect federal law enforcement officers and property.

“Military troops are providing protection for federal law enforcement officers as they continue operations to remove the worst of the worst from Los Angeles,” she said.

“If any rioters attack ICE law enforcement officers, military personnel have the authority to temporarily detain them until law enforcement makes the arrest. The violence against ICE law enforcement must end.”

The Trump administration deployed thousands of National Guard troops to California, casting it as a necessary move to quell protests in LA that erupted in a section of the city over ICE enforcement actions.

Multiple sources told CNN the National Guard’s focus while in LA was to protect property and personnel. Its members do not have authority to arrest.

Images shared by ICE on X show authorities arresting individuals, as troops stand by, appearing to guard the area around the operation – in other words, serving as a security perimeter. The caption read: “Photos from today’s ICE Los Angeles immigration enforcement operation.”

Former senior ICE officials who spoke to CNN couldn’t recall any time the National Guard had been involved in an ICE interior operation.

“Even if lawful, however, the idea of the National Guard supplementing ICE officers on interior enforcement is almost certainly a first,” John Sandweg, former acting ICE director during the Obama administration, said.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth celebrated the move on X, posting one of the images on Tuesday and saying: “This We’ll Defend.”

I'm not calling out the troops on the ground, I'm calling out the decision to put them there in the first place, without the governor requesting them, which is supposed to be the process.

[Tech614]

I'm not shitting on the troops

Well then why else are you replying to someone saying they're not carrying out illegal orders, in bad faith with a screen shot of them in a parking lot and claiming they're on the streets of LA?

I would expect this level of bad faith garbage from the likes of tehdang or NED, but not used to it from actual normal people.

[Mayhem]

Well then why else are you replying to someone saying they're not carrying out illegal orders, in bad faith with a screen shot of them in a parking lot and claiming they're on the streets of LA?

I would expect this level of bad faith garbage from the likes of tehdang or NED, but not used to it from actual normal people.

Confused European here, how are they by the quoted text "temporarily detain rioters until law enforcement makes the arrest" without also being on the streets?

[Tech614]

Confused European here, how are they by the quoted text "temporarily detain rioters until law enforcement makes the arrest" without also being on the streets?

They are guarding the perimeters of government buildings, they will only detain people for trying to get into government buildings. Basically they are doing the job Trump should of had them do during Jan 6th but hey, he only uses that power for his own benefit and intimidation.

Like once again, there is damn near 247 streams live on the streets of DTLA right now. You could clearly see if the NG was on the streets or not. It's just police.

Also I hope nobody in the future replies with a picture of NG in Texas on the streets and tries to pass it off as LA since Abbott has actually requested it. Just covering all my bases since there seems to be a mile high pile of misinformation being thrown around here.

[btlcryct]

Well then why else are you replying to someone saying they're not carrying out illegal orders, in bad faith with a screen shot of them in a parking lot and claiming they're on the streets of LA?

I would expect this level of bad faith garbage from the likes of tehdang or NED, but not used to it from actual normal people.

I was simply replying to you saying they're just guarding buildings, nothing more.

And no, the NG sitting on the perimeter of government buildings and not doing anything unless you try to enter said building is not an illegal deployment of them. If they went out onto the street like the cops where and where actively engaging the population then yes it would be illegal without the governor asking for it.

I was just pointing out ICE themselves have said the NG is guarding police/ICE while they are out on the streets arresting people. I support the troops, I don't support Trump's decision to put them in that position.

[En Sabah Nur]

Fresh new push! Rich folks getting that easy ride to instant citizenship. Poor folks? Ha! You'll be lucky if you only get deported.



This is genuinely the sign-up form at the bottom of the site...

[Draco-Onis]

Fresh new push! Rich folks getting that easy ride to instant citizenship. Poor folks? Ha! You'll be lucky if you only get deported.

Fun fact, a fast track for rich people already exist and it involves investing 250-500K range in a business in the US so the entire thing is a joke before it even started.

[En Sabah Nur]

Fun fact, a fast track for rich people already exist and it involves investing 250-500K range in a business in the US so the entire thing is a joke before it even started.

So a 10x increase in what it already was, and you get given a shitty gold card with Trump's face on it... I'd have got in for the 500k when I could lol Only rich folks would even want to come to the US at this point, anyway.

[Breccia]

I think you said a very silly thing there

The man you put in charge of the world's largest economy can't even sell theater tickets. You have negative reason to call someone else "silly".

Also, support dictatorship, support terrorism, don't know who won 2020, etc etc.

[Draco-Onis]

So a 10x increase in what it already was, and you get given a shitty gold card with Trump's face on it... I'd have got in for the 500k when I could lol Only rich folks would even want to come to the US at this point, anyway.

Oh make no mistake there is a market for this card and Trump as usual already gave the game away. If you are a rich Russian oligarch on a ban list from the US, for the low low price of a Trump card you can get US citizenship and your assets unfrozen. If you look at it from this perspective it's cheap, it's like giving a few pennies to get millions if not billions of dollars back under your control. It's another bribe let's face it another way to bribe Donald, the guys is breaking the bank with this presidency so many bribes.

[Doomcookie]

it's like the weeks after jan. 6 again when /r/conservative pretended they weren't maga all along and didn't like him and then went back to being maga like two weeks later lmao

"Sure, I voted for him three times, defended him every single time someone insulted him, and threatened to kill those who talked shit... but I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm just a Republican."

- Every Single One-

[Timester]

The question is, can Musk get a Trump Card?

[Edge-]

Pretty sure even reality didn't think was possible, until RFK decided to make it so by asking Joe Rogan to advise on vaccine saftey.........yep, it's just that dewormer drinkingly dumb.

roflmao maga gonna enjoy all the smallpox and polio and other vaccine-preventable diseases. i'm not gonna pay my tax dollars for these retards bennies when they get polio and can't work no more because they were too fucking retarded to get vaccinated because joe rogan said so

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Fresh new push! Rich folks getting that easy ride to instant citizenship. Poor folks? Ha! You'll be lucky if you only get deported.



This is genuinely the sign-up form at the bottom of the site...

babys first website

[Timester]

babys first website

Most likely AI made.