Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

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Woah, woah woah. We're already from "manhandled by DHS staff for daring as[sic] Secretary Puppykiller a question" to "He interrupted Secretary Noem in a press conference, and I think the agents who removed her acted too harshly?"

If you're seeing some contradiction there please let me know. He interrupted to ask a question, I'm unsure when "interrupting someone speaking" warranted an immediate physical and forceful removal.

You say it's some big leap, or sure imply it, when it's nothing of the sort.

I don't really know how you square Democracy and appointed leaders by Democratically elected members being "confronted" in the middle of a news conference by whoever feels like it.

Then I'll lament your historical ignorance and ask you how you managed to get through World History in highschool without ever learning that the Nazis and Fascists in Italy were all Democratically elected.

Because it sounds like you think a democratically elected government cannot be fascist and that is simply not true.

Sorry, looks like a theater kid political stunt. He interrupts her yelling questions, doesn't identify himself until her security team starts pushing him away, while the staffer films instead of trying to explain. "I'm a senator" is not a magical phrase that means you're a truth-telling non-threat to the sitting DHS secretary.

Now more people outside California know who Alex Padilla is, and why he was missing votes in the Senate. I guess the first part worked.

I'm glad you continue to be more concerned with the decorum of the matter than things like the DHS secretary talking about "liberating" the city of LA and state of CA.

But hey, you've got another 3 years of defending fascism ahead of yourself so you'll want to pace yourself.

[Shadowferal]

Trump Just Got Some Bad News Before the G7 Conference

The rest of the world has realized the United States is no longer a dependable partner or ally—and they’re moving closer together without us.

The New York Times reports that traditional allies like Japan, Britain, Canada, France, and others are working more closely together as they look to build an alliance system without the United States. These new alliances are already yielding results. Canada, Britain, and the EU just made a $170 billion defense deal. Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and Norway just placed significant sanctions on two far-right Israeli Cabinet members.

“These are countries that share the broad policy goal of predictable, rules-based international affairs—obviously a goal that is no longer shared by the Trump administration,” Peterson Institute for International Economics senior fellow Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, told the Times. “America first means America first,” he added, “even if it means America more alone.”

G7 organizers have planned various meetings without the United States, as Trump will arrive at the summit at odds on trade and tariffs with essentially every other leader there. “Should we, in some ways, talk about a G6-plus-one?” Kirkegaard said.

...a G6 conference and as a “oh, by the way,” that also-ran, the US.

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Trump Just Got Some Bad News Before the G7 Conference

The rest of the world has realized the United States is no longer a dependable partner or ally—and they’re moving closer together without us.

The New York Times reports that traditional allies like Japan, Britain, Canada, France, and others are working more closely together as they look to build an alliance system without the United States. These new alliances are already yielding results. Canada, Britain, and the EU just made a $170 billion defense deal. Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and Norway just placed significant sanctions on two far-right Israeli Cabinet members.

“These are countries that share the broad policy goal of predictable, rules-based international affairs—obviously a goal that is no longer shared by the Trump administration,” Peterson Institute for International Economics senior fellow Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, told the Times. “America first means America first,” he added, “even if it means America more alone.”

G7 organizers have planned various meetings without the United States, as Trump will arrive at the summit at odds on trade and tariffs with essentially every other leader there. “Should we, in some ways, talk about a G6-plus-one?” Kirkegaard said.

...a G6 conference and as a “oh, by the way,” that also-ran, the US.

watching us recede from the world stage is fun because the MAGA types that think this is great don't realize the consequences that will come from it

[Shadowferal]

watching us recede from the world stage is fun because the MAGA types that think this is great don't realize the consequences that will come from it

A couple months...a few hurricanes...
I guess that's optimistic.

[Paranoid Android]

Trump Just Got Some Bad News Before the G7 Conference

The rest of the world has realized the United States is no longer a dependable partner or ally—and they’re moving closer together without us.

The New York Times reports that traditional allies like Japan, Britain, Canada, France, and others are working more closely together as they look to build an alliance system without the United States. These new alliances are already yielding results. Canada, Britain, and the EU just made a $170 billion defense deal. Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and Norway just placed significant sanctions on two far-right Israeli Cabinet members.

“These are countries that share the broad policy goal of predictable, rules-based international affairs—obviously a goal that is no longer shared by the Trump administration,” Peterson Institute for International Economics senior fellow Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, told the Times. “America first means America first,” he added, “even if it means America more alone.”

G7 organizers have planned various meetings without the United States, as Trump will arrive at the summit at odds on trade and tariffs with essentially every other leader there. “Should we, in some ways, talk about a G6-plus-one?” Kirkegaard said.

...a G6 conference and as a “oh, by the way,” that also-ran, the US.

I so hope this is true in everyway. Please take the US out of the global influence. Please all OECD and other nations find other trade, take our talent, and weaken us. Trump did teach me in a way I knew but opened my eyes more. The US can be a shit heal, bully and rest of the world will just almost take it.

The irony if this happens at break neck speed, is Trump will weaken and destroy US dominance faster than him bitching about any Democrat or Republican before them. It would be something if he can accomplish this in 4 years.

[Mayhem]

Trump to ramp up transfers to Guantánamo, including citizens of allies

The foreign nationals under consideration hail from a range of countries. They include hundreds from friendly European nations, including Britain, Italy, France, Germany, Ireland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Lithuania, Poland, Turkey and Ukraine, but also other parts of the world, including many from Haiti. Officials shared the plans with The Washington Post, including some documents, on the condition of anonymity because the matter is considered highly sensitive.

The administration is unlikely to inform the foreigners’ home governments about the impending transfers to the infamous military facility, including close U.S. allies such as Britain, Germany and France, the officials said.

G7 summit will be interesting.

[postman1782]

Imagine paying for a trumpcard only to have the next president declare them invalid. After all, we don't want anybody stupid enough to buy one to be part of our country.

Technically right now they are invalid since the president cannot make law.

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Surely we have footage of him asking a question that prompted his removal?

He didn't get a chance before they illegally detained him.

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oh no, he interrupted her so that totally justifies manhandling him.

naw fam, confront fascists each and every time. this is the cunt encouraging Secretary Alcoholic to violate the Constitution by having marines perform law enforcement actions - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/noem-as...otest-rioters/

so she can fuck right the hell off and she should be confronted every time she's in public

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Oh, to expand - https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...onference/amp/



DHS is, unsurprisingly, lying.

Did he interrupt? Yes.

Did he walk forward? Yes.

Did he "lunge"? No.

Did he identify himself? Yes.

Clutch your pearls and apologize for fascists elsewhere.

Even Fox News ran the video live on air that he identified himself.

[Paranoid Android]

It's crazy that this has happened numerous times, now with Padilla and all happen to be Democrats. Maybe that bipartisanship and "we can change them" is not going to happen.

A US Senator who has ranking oversight here gets pushed and gaffled. That FBI agent was hungry to to take Padilla down. People thinking that certain Institutions will stop fascism always make me chuckle.

[Kaleredar]

I'm a little cautious around videos that start after the principals are being removed by secret service. Not the least of which because any bad faith person can literally cause a scene and all that shit and depend upon guys like you swallowing a "jack booted thugs" narrative whole without a second thought.

Woah, woah woah. We're already from "manhandled by DHS staff for daring as[sic] Secretary Puppykiller a question" to "He interrupted Secretary Noem in a press conference, and I think the agents who removed her acted too harshly?"

I don't really know how you square Democracy and appointed leaders by Democratically elected members being "confronted" in the middle of a news conference by whoever feels like it.

You can do a lot of damage to your political movement by stating that your accusations of fascism justify disrupting whoever you call a fascist.

Best I could find, pardon the source:
https://x.com/FilmLadd/status/1933263750024319111

Sorry, looks like a theater kid political stunt. He interrupts her yelling questions, doesn't identify himself until her security team starts pushing him away, while the staffer films instead of trying to explain. "I'm a senator" is not a magical phrase that means you're a truth-telling non-threat to the sitting DHS secretary.

Now more people outside California know who Alex Padilla is, and why he was missing votes in the Senate. I guess the first part worked.

Look! The goalposts! You moved them just like how I said you would!

Man am I good.

You hit “his tone was sufficient to warrant forcing to the ground and cuffing” and “he didn’t wait for Q and A time so he should be forced to the ground and cuffed” and “he stepped up in a way I heard was aggressive so he should be forced to the ground and cuffed.”

Let’s see if in your post arguing with how you don’t like how I said “forced to the ground and cuffed” you manage to wind your way to the other ones as well.


Frankly, I don’t think he violated “adequate decorum for contesting the breaking of the constitution within his state violating the rights of the people he was elected to represent,” as he was doing, but I absolutely do think that the Jack-booted thug absolutely did violate “adequate response for someone raising their voice at a press conference.”

This administration does not deserve any modicum of benefit of the doubt. Nothing in the dialogue or conduct from any member of it, Trump most of all, makes me believe that they believe in any sense of morality. They believe that they are definitively in charge and are beholden to no one, and that they are the sole arbiters of what constitutes dissent and how much force is necessary to demonstrate the above.

[tehdang]

If they look like Nazi's, break the law like Nazi's and act like fucken Nazi's take a wild guess what they are.

Answer: THEY ARE FUCKEN NAZI'S!!!!

If everything is Nazis, then I start to doubt your political acumen. If you use that as an excuse for doing whatever the hell you want, I start to think you've given up trying to win elections. If you don't think you need to persuade people to gain political power to do things your way, then I think you need to rethink how democracies work.

When I said persuade, I don't think the shaming and insulting game is a good expression of it.

If you're seeing some contradiction there please let me know. He interrupted to ask a question, I'm unsure when "interrupting someone speaking" warranted an immediate physical and forceful removal.

You say it's some big leap, or sure imply it, when it's nothing of the sort.

Press conferences sometimes have a question and answer period, so that people don't feel the need to barge in and interrupt a prepared speech. It's called a press conference, not an interrupt-with-your-question-whenever-you-like conference.

People might get lost in which side is the brash disrespector of Democratic norms in all the hubbub!

Then I'll lament your historical ignorance and ask you how you managed to get through World History in highschool without ever learning that the Nazis and Fascists in Italy were all Democratically elected.

Because it sounds like you think a democratically elected government cannot be fascist and that is simply not true.

This is as reductive as saying Hitler owned a dog and so does AOC.

You'll have to expand your knowledge of history to all the times the groups outside of power seized power from democratically elected leaders and declared them illegitimate, or were only doing it to prevent something imminent they were about to do.

I'm glad you continue to be more concerned with the decorum of the matter than things like the DHS secretary talking about "liberating" the city of LA and state of CA.

But hey, you've got another 3 years of defending fascism ahead of yourself so you'll want to pace yourself.

I don't think stupid political stunts do a good job highlighting whatever alleged abuses are going on in LA. I'm a little saddened to hear that you're all on board with politicians doing transparent theater kid shit, but I suppose Trump is only in there because of the quality of the politicians who oppose him. By extension, the quality of the base that eggs on the politicians when they have transparently stupid ideas.

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Look! The goalposts! You moved them just like how I said you would!

Man am I good.

You hit “his tone was sufficient to warrant forcing to the ground and cuffing” and “he didn’t wait for Q and A time so he should be forced to the ground and cuffed” and “he stepped up in a way I heard was aggressive so he should be forced to the ground and cuffed.”

Let’s see if in your post arguing with how you don’t like how I said “forced to the ground and cuffed” you manage to wind your way to the other ones as well.


Frankly, I don’t think he violated “adequate decorum for contesting the breaking of the constitution within his state violating the rights of the people he was elected to represent,” as he was doing, but I absolutely do think that the Jack-booted thug absolutely did violate “adequate response for someone raising their voice at a press conference.”

This administration does not deserve any modicum of benefit of the doubt. Nothing in the dialogue or conduct from any member of it, Trump most of all, makes me believe that they believe in any sense of morality. They believe that they are definitively in charge and are beholden to no one, and that they are the sole arbiters of what constitutes dissent and how much force is necessary to demonstrate the above.

And when the political stunt was done, and everybody that sees jack-booted thugs everywhere had their daily dose of outrage, Noem says she had a 10-15 minute conversation with him. I'd call that a good dual-use: reward the resistance-type base with red meat to be mad about, and then move on to business with the secretary.

Senator Padilla did not identify himself and was not wearing his senate security pin. Senator Padilla was subsequently positively identified and released.

I wasn't aware that confronting fascism involved abandoning the easy identifier that a confronter is who he says he is. It looks remarkably close to telling the FBI and Secret Service to ignore potential threats, at least when they're protecting a Republican official. The jury is still out if Republicans can call Democrats jack-booted thugs and confront them at a press conference, and not get pushed away and handcuffed.

[postman1782]

If everything is Nazis, then I start to doubt your political acumen. If you use that as an excuse for doing whatever the hell you want, I start to think you've given up trying to win elections. If you don't think you need to persuade people to gain political power to do things your way, then I think you need to rethink how democracies work.

When I said persuade, I don't think the shaming and insulting game is a good expression of it.

Press conferences sometimes have a question and answer period, so that people don't feel the need to barge in and interrupt a prepared speech. It's called a press conference, not an interrupt-with-your-question-whenever-you-like conference.

People might get lost in which side is the brash disrespector of Democratic norms in all the hubbub!

This is as reductive as saying Hitler owned a dog and so does AOC.

You'll have to expand your knowledge of history to all the times the groups outside of power seized power from democratically elected leaders and declared them illegitimate, or were only doing it to prevent something imminent they were about to do.

I don't think stupid political stunts do a good job highlighting whatever alleged abuses are going on in LA. I'm a little saddened to hear that you're all on board with politicians doing transparent theater kid shit, but I suppose Trump is only in there because of the quality of the politicians who oppose him. By extension, the quality of the base that eggs on the politicians when they have transparently stupid ideas.

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And when the political stunt was done, and everybody that sees jack-booted thugs everywhere had their daily dose of outrage, Noem says she had a 10-15 minute conversation with him. I'd call that a good dual-use: reward the resistance-type base with red meat to be mad about, and then move on to business with the secretary.

I wasn't aware that confronting fascism involved abandoning the easy identifier that a confronter is who he says he is. It looks remarkably close to telling the FBI and Secret Service to ignore potential threats, at least when they're protecting a Republican official. The jury is still out if Republicans can call Democrats jack-booted thugs and confront them at a press conference, and not get pushed away and handcuffed.

I don't give a fuck what happened, she is required to answer his questions on fucking camera since it was a press conference

[Mayhem]

If everything is Nazis, then I start to doubt your political acumen. If you use that as an excuse for doing whatever the hell you want, I start to think you've given up trying to win elections. If you don't think you need to persuade people to gain political power to do things your way, then I think you need to rethink how democracies work.

When I said persuade, I don't think the shaming and insulting game is a good expression of it.

Your reading comprehension sucks ass.

[Edge-]

This is as reductive as saying Hitler owned a dog and so does AOC.

You'll have to expand your knowledge of history to all the times the groups outside of power seized power from democratically elected leaders and declared them illegitimate, or were only doing it to prevent something imminent they were about to do.

You use "democratically elected" as a shield against accusations of fascism and I'm going to point out that's literally the political process by which we got fascism.

You can complain "reductive", which it isn't in the slightest. It's highlighting that your argument has no foundation to stand on, which I'm sorry that seems to upset you.

The fascists in Italy were elected. The Nazis in Germany used lawful, democratic processes. The elected the Nazis, who appointed Hitler chancellor. Which was very popular amongst his supporters.

[Paranoid Android]

Trump vows changes to immigration crackdown to protect migrant farmers, hotel workers



Once more Trump has to fix his own fuck-up. Of course he bends the knee to the hotel industry and agriculture is obvious.

Listen if you want to do your hateful policy you would think to give yourself boundaries not to cause chaos but this is Trump. Maybe this was all coming from Stephen Miller, who doesn't care about politics and just wants everyone out. Yet Trump is getting heat and this is all about his donors telling him they are messing up the bag of their slave labor.

[Grinning Serpent]

watching us recede from the world stage is fun because the MAGA types that think this is great don't realize the consequences that will come from it

Isn't it literally just Brexiteers round 2? I mean, this is basically the same thing ain't it? Fuck the world, we don't need them! -- wait, why's everything so expensive now wtf??

[Edge-]

Trump vows changes to immigration crackdown to protect migrant farmers, hotel workers



Once more Trump has to fix his own fuck-up. Of course he bends the knee to the hotel industry and agriculture is obvious.

Listen if you want to do your hateful policy you would think to give yourself boundaries not to cause chaos but this is Trump. Maybe this was all coming from Stephen Miller, who doesn't care about politics and just wants everyone out. Yet Trump is getting heat and this is all about his donors telling him they are messing up the bag of their slave labor.

yo fuck this stupid dumbass loser and his stupid dumbass supporters literally everyone with a brain know and warned about this racists are so fucking stupid

[postman1782]

So much happening in the news that this slipped through.

https://apnews.com/article/mahmoud-k...921815083acbbd

Mahmoud Khalil, the Columbia protester, was ordered to be released by a federal judge.

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https://missionlocal.org/2025/06/s-f...op-deployment/

Federal judge Charles Breyer questioned the legality of President Donald Trump’s deployment of National Guard troops to Los Angeles, speaking in San Francisco District Court on Thursday afternoon.

Gov. Gavin Newsom on Monday filed a lawsuit following Trump’s deployment of up to 4,000 National Guard troops on June 7, ostensibly to quell protests against immigration raids. The governor requested a temporary restraining order limiting troops to guarding federal buildings and preventing them from accompanying workplace raids by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The judge said he would “act expeditiously,” and likely reach a decision by the end of the day Thursday. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, however, refused to commit to obeying any judicial order.

Uh huh.

Trump justified his move under U.S. code 12406. The statute allows the president to call in troops whenever the United States is in danger of foreign invasion, a rebellion against the government or the president is unable with “regular forces” to execute the laws of the United States.

Breyer questioned whether the president complied with these requirements.

Addressing the first condition, federal attorney Brett Shumate said whether or not there is a foreign invasion “is an inherently political question that the president gets to decide” — not the court.

Whether the Los Angeles protests constituted a rebellion, Shumate continued, was also up to the president’s discretion. As was the determination that ICE could not enforce federal immigration laws because of “mobs” rioting on June 6 and 7.

Thus, he argued, the court should not rule on whether the conditions existed — that is up to the president to decide.

“You’re telling me that the president acted on evidence,” Breyer said. “Did he have to?”

“He didn’t have to,” Shumate said.

gosh, really? it sounds more and more like everyone around donald and all the lawyers left int he government want him to be king

I DECLARE REBELLION AND IT IS THUS

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION IN THIS MATTER

republicans want a fucking daddy so god-damned bad holy shit

[Endus]

As the country spirals down the drain; don't listen to any fuckwit's call for more "decorum" or complaining about protests being "disruptive". Decorum serves the powers in charge, not anyone else. And protests are supposed to disrupt; if you're not disrupting things and bothering people, you're not actually engaging in useful protest.

Make your presence everyone's fucking problem and make them shoot you with a rubber bullet or beanbag, or drag you off bodily. Don't comply. Fuck 'em.

It's Pride Month. Remember that Pride was a riot. Bring bricks, with the intent of breaking shit if cops get pushy. There's way more of you than there are of them, and cops are inherently cowards. Get the good filter masks from Home Depot, the carbon filters will block shit like tear gas. Bring extra filters. Learn how to extinguish tear gas grenades. They're gonna want to make you go home. Don't. Fuck the pigs, fuck who they're protecting. It's your damn country.

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https://www.npr.org/2025/06/12/nx-s1...strike-nuclear

President Trump warned Thursday that a "massive conflict" could break out in the Middle East over the issue of Iran's nuclear program but said he wants a diplomatic resolution, after the United Nations' nuclear watchdog found that Tehran had failed to comply with its nonproliferation obligations for the first time in two decades.

but deals are so easy and like he said he made peace in ukraine in 24 hours and he's also made thousands of trade deals now and he also negotiated that ceasefire between india and pakistan and and and and and

Trump has said recently that he has held Israel back from attacking Iran's nuclear processing facilities, and threatened that if the current talks between the United States and Iran don't curb the latter's ability to enrich uranium, then military strikes are an option.

reminder donald blew up this original deal because he's a stupid fucking retard with stupid fucking retard supporters.

In a separate meeting with media, Trump explained why the State Department had begun to evacuate staff from its embassy in Baghdad, while the military has evacuated personnel not deemed essential from U.S. military bases in the Middle East. The U.S. has bases in the Persian Gulf that Tehran could target in the event of an attack.

"Look, there's a chance of massive conflict," Trump said. "We have a lot of American people in this area, and I said we got to tell them to get out, because something could happen soon. And I don't want to be the one that didn't give any warning and missiles are flying into their buildings. It's possible. So I had to do it."

lmao projecting strength and confidence

anyways, republicans continue to create their own problems and then cry and blame everyone else for them while doing very little to actually solve them. this is a very stupid timeline