Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Bwgmon]

Yeah, it didn't happen. Israel is bombing Tehran right now.

Iran is also saying they've received no proposals from either the US or Israel, so Trump going "teehee we got it out of our systems it's all good now" is most likely copium on his part. Probably realized that people don't want yet another Middle East war and hopes Iran will let him leave before his popularity tanks further.

[gondrin]

Yeah, it didn't happen. Israel is bombing Tehran right now.

Trump is trying his hardest to win a Peace Prize. Too bad nobody will vote for him.

This will be like him being embarrassed by Russia when he said they had a cease fire and Russia decides to just drone Ukraine right after he announces it.

I will keep saying this. If we(the US) sets boots on the ground in Iran, every single person who voted for Trump, doesn't matter the age or health of the person, should be forced under threat of imprisonment to be drafted to be the first ones to go along with every family member of Trump himself. They cannot get a health deferment for any reason.

Figure if you want to vote for him, you can go right off to war. Leave everyone else out of it.

[Edge-]

Yeah, it didn't happen. Israel is bombing Tehran right now.

lmao how many times does donald need to be publicly humiliated on the world stage by claiming credit for something either factually untrue (this) or that he had nothing to do with (the india-pakistan ceasefire) with the parties involved coming out to say "the fuck this white man talking about?"

like

this is so much incredible weight for my long-running theory that republican politicians all really have massive public humiliation kinks. have you fucking seen marco rubio lately? i feel like i don't need to say anything more.

[postman1782]

Iran is also saying they've received no proposals from either the US or Israel, so Trump going "teehee we got it out of our systems it's all good now" is most likely copium on his part. Probably realized that people don't want yet another Middle East war and hopes Iran will let him leave before his popularity tanks further.

Yep, but all over Tiktok, they are claiming there is one, only because Trump said it.

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lmao how many times does donald need to be publicly humiliated on the world stage by claiming credit for something either factually untrue (this) or that he had nothing to do with (the india-pakistan ceasefire) with the parties involved coming out to say "the fuck this white man talking about?"

like

this is so much incredible weight for my long-running theory that republican politicians all really have massive public humiliation kinks. have you fucking seen marco rubio lately? i feel like i don't need to say anything more.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06...mp-israel-news

Just a link to confirm, this is literally updated 10 minutes ago.

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Israel’s military urged the evacuation of central Tehran, an area where municipal offices, the Central Bank and National Bank are located, along with some military and intelligence headquarters. Residents of Tehran are reporting intense explosions in the area.

Literally updated 1 minute ago

[Edge-]

Yep, but all over Tiktok, they are claiming there is one, only because Trump said it.

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06...mp-israel-news

Just a link to confirm, this is literally updated 10 minutes ago.

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Literally updated 1 minute ago

While Israel has not yet confirmed President Trump’s cease-fire announcement, Israeli Air Force jets — possibly anticipating that such a declaration will be made soon — are striking dozens of targets in Tehran and other parts of the country, according to two Israeli defense officials.

lmao "oh shit there might be a ceasefire soon get all the bombing in you can beforehand that'll ensure it'll be a good, sticky ceasefire"

just everyone involved in this fucking sucks to the highest level

[Moralgy]

So there is a ceasefire but also Israel gets to keep bombing Iran. Wierd ya know

[tehdang]

Westsplaining? Never heard that word in my life. I do think you're simplifying the situation to suit your narrative; of course they'd like Israel destroyed if they could just push a button and have it magically happen with no consequences. Loads of countries around the world would like other countries destroyed this way. Thankfully that's not how it works

You understand that I was never alleging they were going to be successful. They will sacrifice their population and the majority of their economy to pressure Israel to kneel or die. That's their end. It isn't "I doubt Israel matters all that much." Dead wrong. It isn't "Iran's actual goal is having a large Muslim sphere of influence and its enemy there is Saudi Arabia." Every minor goal is on the path to the destruction of Israel and the expulsion of the Jews from that little bit of the non-Muslim middle east. Israel and the Jews' thriving is an embarrassment to their faith. The only reason that Israel is still around is that Iran incompetently executed their plan with all the proxies and missiles and nuclear program.

no matter how much Russia would like Ukraine destroyed or North Korea would like America destroyed. Funding proxies is something everyone does in the region; Iran's got an easier time due to various factors, including (albeit certainly not limited to) Israel's own actions and the general inability of most Middle Eastern nations to rid themselves of various religious fanatic factions. Having useful idiots chant death to X is easy. When it comes to Iran's actual geopolitical moves, Israel is just a part of it, not an end goal as I see it.

From 1979 onward, it's just trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel over many years. The waiting and economy and advancement are just consequences of not having the strength to kill or drive them out at the present time.

I also strongly doubt this assertion that the lapses of Israeli security that led to Oct 7th were solely due to them not sharing your rather one-sided way of looking at this problem.

Well, you know I believe the exact opposite. 1200 Israelis died because enough people in Israeli leadership thought about Hamas like you think about Iran.

Plus, nuclear annihilation? That's always hot air, just like when Putin or his cronies trot out the same sort of veiled threat every other week. Israel and America don't try to stop Iran from getting nukes because they know Tel Aviv will be glass within hours of that happening or whatever. They do so because Iran getting the bomb dramatically changes the balance of power and makes the exact sort of air strike that happened far, far riskier, if not a non-starter. Which isn't a bad reason from their perspective, mind you, but let's not overdramatize an already dramatic situation for effect.

That's a difference between Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Al Qaeda, and Putin. Khomeini would nuke Israel if he had the capability. It would show the triumph of his 1979 promises. The cost to him and his leadership isn't a factor if they together can achieve it. The suicide bomber driven by religious purpose is a whole different animal than the secular tyrant.

[Joszef Kiprich]

So the doofus in chief says Iran has to stop firing at 6 am CET. Then Israel has to stop at 6pm CET. Sounds like a great deal for Iran, right?

[diller]

Khomeini would nuke Israel if he had the capability.

Sure it's your opinion that he would, that doesn't make it a fact.

No nations will be stupid enough to use a nuke because it will mean they themselves will get glassed.

Maybe the US is an exception since they are geographically isolated from the countries they are beefing with so they are harder to attack.

[zorkuus]

If trump said water is wet my first instinct would tell me not to believe his lying fucking mouth.

[Joszef Kiprich]

If trump said water is wet my first instinct would tell me not to believe his lying fucking mouth.

Because he would be wrong with that statement.

[zorkuus]

Because he would be wrong with that statement.

You get the idea. You can't trust a single word that comes out of his mouth or tweeting fingers.
Until there's confirmation from both Iran and Israel about the ceasefire, we can safely assume he's lying his ass off as usual.

[tehdang]

Sure it's your opinion that he would, that doesn't make it a fact.

No nations will be stupid enough to use a nuke because it will mean they themselves will get glassed.

Maybe the US is an exception since they are geographically isolated from the countries they are beefing with so they are harder to attack.

It's your opinion that no nations will be stupid enough to use a nuke. It's your opinion that maybe the US is an exception. You see, we are speaking of opinions.

[Paranoid Android]

WATCH: New reporting from the New York Times suggests President Trump's decision to strike Iran was not based on intelligence, but rather on the wall-to-wall coverage he saw on Fox News.

https://x.com/allinwithchris/status/...VoVkUuRvg&s=19

Vid in link.

My gawd. FML

Chris Hayes sourcing NYT that Trump watching Fox News because of wall to wall praise of Israel striking Iran urging Trump..

Being convinced by Trump is peak Trump. Not the first.

I know there is one or more crazy blood lust General(s) urging him.

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Katie Britt: "President Trump is gonna win the Nobel Peace Prize. No doubt."

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1937326...VGSC8WmhQ&s=19

Vid in link

The ass licking to this guy is always amazing.

[btlcryct]

Oh I so want the bolded part to be true. Yes, I realize it's from an Iranian station so they're also going to put a spin on it.

Iranian state media announces ceasefire deal “imposed on the enemy”
From CNN’s Alex Stambaugh

Iranian state media announced Tuesday a ceasefire has been “imposed on the enemy” after the country’s military response to “US aggression,” hours after Iran’s retaliatory attacks against a US base in Qatar.

“The Sepah (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) successful missile operations in response to US aggression and the exemplary steadfastness and unity of our dear people in defending our land, has imposed ceasefire on the enemy,” an anchor with state-run Iran National News Network said in a live broadcast.

The anchor did not give a time for when the ceasefire would take place.

US President Donald Trump requested the ceasefire between Iran and Israel “in a begging-like manner” shortly after Iran’s strikes toward the US’s Al Udeid base in Qatar, the anchor said.

“Last evening, only an hour after the successful missile attack by the Sepah on America’s Al Udeid Base in Qatar, in a begging-like manner of urging, Trump requested the initiation of a ceasefire in the imposed Zionist enemy war against our country,” the anchor said.

[Jastall]

You understand that I was never alleging they were going to be successful. They will sacrifice their population and the majority of their economy to pressure Israel to kneel or die. That's their end. It isn't "I doubt Israel matters all that much." Dead wrong. It isn't "Iran's actual goal is having a large Muslim sphere of influence and its enemy there is Saudi Arabia." Every minor goal is on the path to the destruction of Israel and the expulsion of the Jews from that little bit of the non-Muslim middle east. Israel and the Jews' thriving is an embarrassment to their faith. The only reason that Israel is still around is that Iran incompetently executed their plan with all the proxies and missiles and nuclear program.

From 1979 onward, it's just trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel over many years. The waiting and economy and advancement are just consequences of not having the strength to kill or drive them out at the present time.

Well, you know I believe the exact opposite. 1200 Israelis died because enough people in Israeli leadership thought about Hamas like you think about Iran.

That's a difference between Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Al Qaeda, and Putin. Khomeini would nuke Israel if he had the capability. It would show the triumph of his 1979 promises. The cost to him and his leadership isn't a factor if they together can achieve it. The suicide bomber driven by religious purpose is a whole different animal than the secular tyrant.

Yeah, that's the one-sided thinking driven by personal bias I mentioned earlier. Iran's leadership is bad enough without trying to portray them as the most cartoonishly evil of evils as you do. You're far too obsessed with hating them if you think literally everything they do is bent to the sole purpose of destroying Israel as if they were real-life demons or some shit.

I also remember, back in my studying days, seeing the exact same shit written about Pakistan. Oooh, they got nukes, those Muslim fanatics, all is lost. Or even earlier, in regards to the Soviets, whose evil Communist hearts surely have no place for the restraint and mercy afforded by our advanced Western morals. Heck I saw the same thing written about North Korea, a regime I hold in even greater contempt than the Iranian one. Turns out, MAD is MAD and nobody wishes to fire the first shot that turns their country into glass. It's not because the extremists encourage suicide bombing as a cheap, effective (if despicable to the extreme) terror tactic that they're willing to consume the world in nuclear fire. You're mired in dogmatic hyperbole on this particular subject. Realpolitik doesn't stop existing just because you personally don't like a category of people.

[Mayhem]

I take Iran more at its word than you. When they indoctrinate young children with chants of Death to America Death to Israel, I believe that they are trying to raise fighters and martyrs intend on destroying both nations. When they fund terrorist proxies that make war on Israel, it falls in line with their goal of destroying Israel and America. They believe, wrongly, that they can force Israel to its knees through proxy wars and the threat of nuclear annihilation. You might call it Westsplaining in terms of ignoring religious motivations for ultimate destruction in order to second guess what they really want.

Remember, kids, indoctrination is only bad if Muslims do it. Israel doing it? That's fine, that's great.
Funding terrorists, only bad if Muslims do it. Israel doing it? That's fine, that's great.
Forcing their neighbors to their knees, only bad if Muslims do it. Israel doing it? That's fine, that's great.

Israel did that with Hamas up until October 7th, to their eternal shame. Oh, Hamas is just trying to stay in power with their religious fanaticism. They like the wealth and power in their fief, they wouldn't actually try something beyond a few kidnappings and a few dozen rockets a year...

So you're blaming Israel for what happened on Oct. 7th? Uh oh, what happened, bud?

[alach]

Isn't this exactly what happened with russia and Ukraine? He said there was a truce in effect, which did fuck all to stop putin from bombing civilians - that still continues to this day.
Trump reminds me of Micheal Scott during that basketball game, a horrible player that ends up getting lucky being a couple points ahead, then immediately calls for the game to end and him to be declared the winner.

[Kaleredar]

Isn't this exactly what happened with russia and Ukraine? He said there was a truce in effect, which did fuck all to stop putin from bombing civilians - that still continues to this day.
Trump reminds me of Micheal Scott during that basketball game, a horrible player that ends up getting lucky being a couple points ahead, then immediately calls for the game to end and him to be declared the winner.

Trump had decided he was done attacking, so therefore it must be a “ceasefire” for both sides.

[tehdang]

Yeah, that's the one-sided thinking driven by personal bias I mentioned earlier. Iran's leadership is bad enough without trying to portray them as the most cartoonishly evil of evils as you do. You're far too obsessed with hating them if you think literally everything they do is bent to the sole purpose of destroying Israel as if they were real-life demons or some shit.

Iran's leadership is just bad. I hope you grasp the religious fanaticism in time. It's too important to assess the regime without it.

I also remember, back in my studying days, seeing the exact same shit written about Pakistan. Oooh, they got nukes, those Muslim fanatics, all is lost. Or even earlier, in regards to the Soviets, whose evil Communist hearts surely have no place for the restraint and mercy afforded by our advanced Western morals. Heck I saw the same thing written about North Korea, a regime I hold in even greater contempt than the Iranian one. Turns out, MAD is MAD and nobody wishes to fire the first shot that turns their country into glass. It's not because the extremists encourage suicide bombing as a cheap, effective (if despicable to the extreme) terror tactic that they're willing to consume the world in nuclear fire. You're mired in dogmatic hyperbole on this particular subject. Realpolitik doesn't stop existing just because you personally don't like a category of people.

That's a big can of worms with the Punjab Afghania Kashmir Sindh Baluchistan Pakistan. You'll note no 1979 revolution, no chants of Death to America Death to Israel, and their preoccupation with India instead of Israel and the Jews.

The overgeneralization goes both ways. Please don't group Iran in with Pakistan yourself, just because you've seen other people do it. It does you no good. The Ayatollah of Iran isn't the same type as the leader of Pakistan, even if you want to project that viewpoint onto everyone opposed to Iran. I'm sure you've met people that consider all Muslim-majority nations the same, but you'll fall flat trying to assert that all your opponent believe that.