Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[LeGin v4]

what's so funny is donald doesn't seem to realize that people are tickling his balls to manipulate him roflmao

I'm half expecting Rutte to retract it. Blame it on a rogue admin. etc.

I mean, it's so completely over the top

Can't believe he reposted it

[alach]

The Supreme Court ruled today that trump can continue to send immigrants to shithole countries. There was no written opinion.
Mark Rutte sent trump a special message of love and admiration, weirdly out of character, and trump posted it on his social. It was very strange, but maybe a plan to get help for Ukraine? Everyone knows kissing trumps ass is the key to getting what you need.

Oh and they IDF just murdered 21 people at an aid delivery site. I know, I know, wrong thread, but are they really any different at this point?

[Edge-]

Oh and they IDF just murdered 21 people at an aid delivery site. I know, I know, wrong thread, but are they really any different at this point?

but they were coming right at them!

[Joszef Kiprich]

what's so funny is donald doesn't seem to realize that people are tickling his balls to manipulate him roflmao

As much as I think this is a bit over the top, this is what diplomacy actually looks like. And Drumpf doesn't understand it.

[tehdang]

Sure, but this isn't the only thing that's frustrated him from Israel. After all, about a month ago, he skipped Israel on his Middle East tour. You have to ask yourself why he is taking out frustrations on Israel as well rather than just blaming Iran/Hamas. Like I said, he is a deeply narcissistic person (and I think really, really wants a Nobel Peace Prize), and it seems to me that he's finally realized that Netanyahu is, in fact, a warmonger.

I just saw it as typical Trump petulance on strikes after the announced ceasefire and both sides violating the ceasefire. Iran literally killed a guy with a missile in his safe room this morning in Beersheba.

But I actually want to go back a bit and ask a few general questions (since I was out of town):

Do you at least agree that Israel unilaterally started this bout of hostilities (June 12th attack)?

Yes.

Netanyahu has been crying wolf about Iran getting the bomb 'imminently' for about 30 years now. Do you believe him this time? Or do you think this attack involved personal motives on his part?

I haven't seen the intelligence. I saw the report from the IAEA on 60% enriched uranium, which is the only outside corroborated "imminent" I've seen.

Nuclear weapons are, at this point, an 80 year old technology. Do you think it's reasonable for Israel's policy to be to stop Iranian acquisition indefinitely?

Yes. Absolutely. Keep nukes away from murderous dictators promising death to the west.

Do you agree that Trump violated the law by bombing Iran unilaterally and without Congressional approval?

Congress has ceded so much warmaking authority in the last three decades that it's no clear matter. I can say that Congress should repeal the AUMF 2001 and 2002 and amend the War Powers Act to take back their authority so that it will be illegal. See my previous post on Syria, Libya, Somalia. Congress has deferred to the executive too much. Every president from Clinton onward violated the law under some frameworks, and perhaps the same means that Jefferson violated the law by sending the Navy to to attack Barbary Pirates in Tripoli. I don't think this has a short answer, but you can have my shoulds and oughts.

[LeGin v4]

As much as I think this is a bit over the top, this is what diplomacy actually looks like. And Drumpf doesn't understand it.

I'm not sure I agree with this - it's so sarcastic it comes across as being insincere

But, yep, if that's what it takes...

[Iphie]

Every day brings new joy e.g.,



And he reposted it

lol

Whenever Rutte speaks I throw up just a bit in my mouth, but I have an EXTREMELY hard time believing this is legit, it lacks literally all the markers of his usual writing.

[Kaleredar]

I dunno. The media doesn't seem to catch on. They still treat this idiot and his antics as if this is totally normal, nothing to see here...

Why should they? They’re getting their clicks.


The “Harris appoints qualified person you’ve never heard of to staff seemingly boring but necessary department” headlines we could have been getting aren’t nearly as baity a headline as “TRUMP CONSULTS NO ONE, BOMBS SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.”

[Wilian]

How is that buffoon a president of a country again?

Because US is uneducated third world oligarchic hellhole with lead pipes, sewage on the streets and where the only goal is to beat the lowest common denominator, downwards preferably so publicly it becomes mass entertainment for themselves.

[Gorsameth]

Whenever Rutte speaks I throw up just a bit in my mouth, but I have an EXTREMELY hard time believing this is legit, it lacks literally all the markers of his usual writing.

Its written like a man talking to a child, which makes complete sense because that is what is happening.

It doesn't sound like Rutte's usual stuff because he isn't talking to his usual audience. Its a message crafted to stroke Trumps ego and like the moron he is Trump doesn't get that this is an insult, not a complement.

The downside to him reposting it is that now people are going to tell him he is getting played.

[Veggie50]

Whenever Rutte speaks I throw up just a bit in my mouth, but I have an EXTREMELY hard time believing this is legit, it lacks literally all the markers of his usual writing.

No it doesn’t, this is EXACTLY how Rutte would adress his 5 year old nephew.

[alach]

It seems so out of character from the head of NATO, but if this is what he has to do to get aid for Ukraine, I get it.
If it isn't, then we will have a problem.

Didn't Macron lead the way for how the world leaders learned how to deal with trump? Show him a big parade and tell him how awesome he is.

[Breccia]

Is this how we do foreign policy now, he just tweets and slaps his name and title in caps at the end?

Trump says Iran-Israel ceasefire in effect after accusing both sides of violating it

Nobody listens to DONALD J. TRUMP, COUCH POTATO OF THE MAR-A-CAPS-LOCKO, even himself.

As he prepared to depart for a NATO summit on Tuesday, he was asked if he believed Iran or Israel had violated the ceasefire.

"I think they both violated it. I don't think, I'm not sure they did it intentionally. They couldn't rein people back," Mr. Trump said. But he appeared to direct particular criticism at Israel.

Yep, either Trump is so desperate to be seen as in charge that he's saying the very fine people on both sides violated it accidentally and he's still the ruler of the world, or he's insane and thinks he's in charge even as nobody followes his ALL CAPS DIRECTIONS. This is the 21st goddam century. You can order planes to not drop bombs in a matter of seconds.

This is pathetic. Everything Trump does fails so badly he needs a distraction, which fails worse.

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I just saw it as typical Trump petulance

You voted for typical Trump petulance. Stop pretending this isn't what you wanted. Traitor.

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Trump cancels Iran briefings with no known reason.

[Edge-]

Trump cancels Iran briefings with no known reason.

“There’s a lot going on right now, and I’m sure the Situation Room in the White House is a flurry of activity, and I think it may be that some of the folks that were going to come over here and brief us have been or otherwise engaged,” Johnson said, adding that it was not guaranteed that Hegseth or Rubio would actually appear.

it's deeply amusing how republicans all will tolerate and take anything from donald

if it was a democrat delaying briefings on possibly unlawful military strikes against iran republicans would be calling the president a tyrant

just another example of republicans hating transparency and competency

[btlcryct]

Wonder if this is the reason he cancelled it:

The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by three people briefed on it.

The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said.

The analysis of the damage to the sites and the impact of the strikes on Iran’s nuclear ambitions is ongoing, and could change as more intelligence becomes available. But the early findings are at odds with President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the strikes “completely and totally obliterated” Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also said on Sunday that Iran’s nuclear ambitions “have been obliterated.”

Two of the people familiar with the assessment said Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed. One of the people said the centrifuges are largely “intact.”

“So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops,” this person added.

The White House acknowledged the existence of the assessment but said they disagreed with it.

They need more time to get their 'facts' in order to make it look like a YUGE success.

[Breccia]

Trump destroys his own fantasy about getting a Nobel Prize.

"Is this about Israel?"

Could just as easily have been, but no.

A senior Ukrainian lawmaker who nominated Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize has withdrawn it, as peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow slip under the radar and the president keeps his sights fixed on the Middle East.

Oleksandr Merezhko, the head of Ukraine's parliamentary foreign committee, told Newsweek on Tuesday he had "lost any sort of faith and belief" in Trump and his ability to secure a ceasefire between Moscow and Kyiv.

Merezhko originally nominated Trump for the prize in November, but said he submitted his nomination withdrawal on Monday morning.

Trump returned to the White House in January pledging to end Europe's largest land conflict since World War II in just 24 hours. But as the weeks and months dragged on, optimism for a quick deal evaporated and the Republican—a self-styled "peacemaker-in-chief"—grew overtly frustrated with the glacial pace of progress.

Turns out, you actually need to DO SOMETHING! to get a Nobel Prize. Trump's many claims on the Ukraine War, and let's be honest plenty of other things, failed spectacularly when it turned out Trump had no idea how to do any of the things he said he knew more about than anyone.

[Edge-]

Wonder if this is the reason he cancelled it:



They need more time to get their 'facts' in order to make it look like a YUGE success.

so how many hundreds of millions/billions in ordinance and shit did we drop just to set Iran back a few months?

[DarkTZeratul]

The White House acknowledged the existence of the assessment but said they disagreed with it.

Rhetorical question: does the White House typically publicly disagree with DOD intelligence assessments?

[btlcryct]

Based on a quick search, each GBU-57 costs $20,000,000 each and reports are they dropped 12 of them. That's $240,000,000 just for the bombs. Factor in all the other stuff and I'd say probably close to 10-20 billion.

Edited to add: Forgot about the 30 Tomahawks, and those are about $2,000,000 each, so add another $60,000,000 just for ordanance.

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Rhetorical question: does the White House typically publicly disagree with DOD intelligence assessments?

Only when it makes Trump look bad. So all the time.

[Edge-]

Rhetorical question: does the White House typically publicly disagree with DOD intelligence assessments?

not that i recall, no.