Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[s_bushido]

After that, just like everyone else, they work less and want free medical care and welfare check ...

"Free medical care" aka, shit that's paid for by tax dollars like literally every other civilized fucking country on the planet, you mean? And why would someone need welfare checks if they're being paid a livable wage?

[Endus]

What makes you think that they are dirt cheap labors?
No one is stupid enough to work at minimum wage forever and be happy.

Sure, they may work for a few years.
After that, just like everyone else, they work less and want free medical care and welfare check ...

When they are in their own country, why don't they work hard and happy?

Where do you people get this unrelenting misanthropy from? Seriously?

Nothing you're describing in any way reflects reality. Low-income workers don't work any less hard than anyone else, documented or not. And undocumented immigrants don't get welfare, in the first place; they don't qualify.

You're just looking to identify an underclass you get to metaphorically kick in the face, because you need to have someone you can victimize, whose suffering you can enjoy. That's all you're actually saying here. Just a complete lack of basic human empathy.

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"Free medical care" aka, shit that's paid for by tax dollars like literally every other civilized fucking country on the planet, you mean? And why would someone need welfare checks if they're being paid a livable wage?

You see, it's Schrodinger's Immigrant; they're simultaneously such good workers that Americans can't compete, but also lazy and a leech on society. At the same time. Somehow. The contradiction doesn't matter, because it's all excuse-making to try and justify why they want to kneel on these people's necks and enjoy their whimpers of agony. It's sadism, and that's about all there is too it once you scratch the surface. No different than a kid who finds a lost puppy and smashes its legs one by one with a rock because they don't like dogs.

[Corvus]

I'm sure it won't be long before someone starts advocating for slaves working on farms as an answer to worker shortages.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I'm sure it won't be long before someone starts advocating for slaves working on farms as an answer to worker shortages.

Build more prisons. Incarcerate more brown people. Force prisoners to do the jobs. Problem solved.

It's the American way.

[Kiri]

Where do you people get this unrelenting misanthropy from? Seriously?

Nothing you're describing in any way reflects reality. Low-income workers don't work any less hard than anyone else, documented or not. And undocumented immigrants don't get welfare, in the first place; they don't qualify.

You're just looking to identify an underclass you get to metaphorically kick in the face, because you need to have someone you can victimize, whose suffering you can enjoy. That's all you're actually saying here. Just a complete lack of basic human empathy.

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You see, it's Schrodinger's Immigrant; they're simultaneously such good workers that Americans can't compete, but also lazy and a leech on society. At the same time. Somehow. The contradiction doesn't matter, because it's all excuse-making to try and justify why they want to kneel on these people's necks and enjoy their whimpers of agony. It's sadism, and that's about all there is too it once you scratch the surface. No different than a kid who finds a lost puppy and smashes its legs one by one with a rock because they don't like dogs.

I still hold that all this is rooted in the great American myth called the American Dream that has been ingrained into their way of thinking. Everyone can make it if they try hard enough. So, anyone who doesn't make it as far as you obviously doesn't try hard enough. Homelessness is a choice in that beliefsystem, as is poverty. The world, to them, is a meritocracy except maybe in cases where they are held back. But thanks to protagonist syndrome, that is easily overlooked.
Those without the empathy or understanding that success is largely rooted in chance and other factors simply have that kind of reductive worldview, which always makes it okay to punch down, but never to punch up at their betters, because the former are there by choice and the latter just have more strength of will or something.

[Shadowferal]

What makes you think that they are dirt cheap labors?
No one is stupid enough to work at minimum wage forever and be happy.

Sure, they may work for a few years.
After that, just like everyone else, they work less and want free medical care and welfare check ...

When they are in their own country, why don't they work hard and happy?

I suggest you fact-check all those ridiculous right-wing bulletpoints you're spewing.

[Mayhem]

I still hold that all this is rooted in the great American myth called the American Dream that has been ingrained into their way of thinking. Everyone can make it if they try hard enough. So, anyone who doesn't make it as far as you obviously doesn't try hard enough. Homelessness is a choice in that beliefsystem, as is poverty. The world, to them, is a meritocracy except maybe in cases where they are held back. But thanks to protagonist syndrome, that is easily overlooked.
Those without the empathy or understanding that success is largely rooted in chance and other factors simply have that kind of reductive worldview, which always makes it okay to punch down, but never to punch up at their betters, because the former are there by choice and the latter just have more strength of will or something.

The American Dream just sounds better than survivorship bias, but that's all it is.

[postman1782]

I'm sure it won't be long before someone starts advocating for slaves working on farms as an answer to worker shortages.

I guarantee they will start saying that incarcerated people will be picking stuff soon.

[Doomcookie]

What makes you think that they are dirt cheap labors?
No one is stupid enough to work at minimum wage forever and be happy.

Sure, they may work for a few years.
After that, just like everyone else, they work less and want free medical care and welfare check ...

When they are in their own country, why don't they work hard and happy?

So, just adding racism to the lies?

[Poopymonster]

The American Dream just sounds better than survivorship bias, but that's all it is.

Of course it is survivorship bias. It's like saying 100% of people surveyed who played Russian Roulette say it's perfectly safe.
But the US has to throw in some Protestant Work Ethic, and here we are.

[Endus]

I still hold that all this is rooted in the great American myth called the American Dream that has been ingrained into their way of thinking. Everyone can make it if they try hard enough.

In bold is the best way to break this argument down right to their face.
Can "everyone" make it? Literally every single person in America, rich because they all put the effort in, literally no poor people or anyone working minimum-wage jobs? No fast-food workers or gas station attendants, but somehow everyone's better off? Is that feasible?

Or is the idea that "anyone" can make it, but it's very much a classist "I'm better than you" supremacy thing?

Because the latter imagines a society predicated on the establishment of an underclass who suffers, to support the comfort of those above them. That suffering is intentional; it's the point of the system. It's a deeply disturbing "dream" once you scratch the surface.

[Pannonian]

I know we shouldnt give in to gender stereotypes, but after watching the DoD press conference...

is there a chance Pete might be a bit too emotional for that job?

[Joszef Kiprich]

I know we shouldnt give in to gender stereotypes, but after watching the DoD press conference...

is there a chance Pete might be a bit too emotional for that job?

I think the DUI secdef found Elon's hidden stash of special K.

[Gabriel]

I think the DUI secdef found Elon's hidden stash of special K.

K is a dissociative drug so it should (in theory) make one less emotional. He's probably taking stimulants scored from the WH pharmacy.

[SAY HER NAME]

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/24/g-s1-...veteran-hawaii

Purple Heart Army veteran self-deports after nearly 50 years in the U.S.

Words cannot describe the hatred I feel for these people

[diller]

Well isn't that lovely - US Supreme Court curbs judges' power to block Trump orders

Is he a king yet?

[Edge-]

I know we shouldnt give in to gender stereotypes, but after watching the DoD press conference...

is there a chance Pete might be a bit too emotional for that job?

it's wild how conservatives have cried about a woman president being "too emotional during her time of the month" and then they elect the most emotionally uncontrolled manchild who nominates, and the Republican Senate confirms, alcoholic idiots who have zero control over their emotions either.

it's always, just forever projection.

[Gestopft]

That suffering is intentional; it's the point of the system. It's a deeply disturbing "dream" once you scratch the surface.

The logic is the idea that anyone can makes it a personal failing of those that don't. This is the game they play in defense of capitalism. Are people poor under socialism? Blame the system. Are people poor under capitalism? Blame the poor people themselves. Never mind that society actually needs people to do low-wage work, and there will always be someone in those jobs regardless of how hard they work or what qualifications they have...

[Bodakane]

"The American Dream" is to capitalism what "I'm loving it" is to McDonalds

[Fugus]

Well isn't that lovely - US Supreme Court curbs judges' power to block Trump orders

Is he a king yet?

Looks like the number of cases will explode for a few to a few hundred or more in every district.