Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[En Sabah Nur]

Well isn't that lovely - US Supreme Court curbs judges' power to block Trump orders

Is he a king yet?

Sometimes you don't even need to hear him speak to end up with a fucking aneurysm.

[ringpriest]

Also, where are you going to find all the dirt cheap labor willing to do this work now that you're kicking all the immigrants out?

Transporting people to foreign countries, who then have to be paid to take them, gets expensive. So does keeping them in camps. SS Barbi is running way over budget. I expect the Trump Reich will be putting its victims to work as slaves before long.

[Xath]

The court just castrated themselves welp we are even more fucked than we were.

[diller]

The court just castrated themselves welp we are even more fucked than we were.

He can literally do whatever he wants now, he IS king.

[Edge-]

wild this new philosophy on executive orders and shit just suddenly sprung up but apparently wasn't applicable in the previous four years for some odd reason

i wonder why?

honestly i hope roberts wakes up to his dog shitting on his face every day for the rest of his life

[Xyonai]

Well isn't that lovely - US Supreme Court curbs judges' power to block Trump orders

Is he a king yet?

Biden to exert the limits of his executive power to relieve student loan debt? Nuh, too much overreach, we'll let this guy in podunk nowhere block it.
Trump signalling that he wants to upend a fundimental right enshrined in the US Constitution? Based, go for it, the states shouldn't be able to block it.

I fucking hate these people, I'd almost hate them less if they were more honest about wanting to just have a king but this pussyfooting just makes it obvious they know what they want sucks but wanna do it anyway.

[Ausr]

On one hand, I don't want to see it happen, but on the other hand, I kinda hope the government keeps fucking around and finds out.

[tehdang]

“#NoKings” also applies to district court judges, as per the majority of justices on the Supreme Court. As Barrett plus 5 tell Justice Jackson, “[she] decries an imperial Executive while embracing an imperial Judiciary.”

Let’s see if the lower courts can handle ruling on the cases before them instead of being used as judge-shopping venues for groups to craft national policy.

[Doomcookie]

“#NoKings” also applies to district court judges, as per the majority of justices on the Supreme Court. As Barrett plus 5 tell Justice Jackson, “[she] decries an imperial Executive while embracing an imperial Judiciary.”

Let’s see if the lower courts can handle ruling on the cases before them instead of being used as judge-shopping venues for groups to craft national policy.

As someone who has openly stated that he thinks women deserve to be raped, of course you would also express your desire to give said rapists unfettered authority.

[zorkuus]

What makes you think that they are dirt cheap labors?
No one is stupid enough to work at minimum wage forever and be happy.

Sure, they may work for a few years.
After that, just like everyone else, they work less and want free medical care and welfare check ...

When they are in their own country, why don't they work hard and happy?

Please don't breed.

[Edge-]

“#NoKings” also applies to district court judges, as per the majority of justices on the Supreme Court. As Barrett plus 5 tell Justice Jackson, “[she] decries an imperial Executive while embracing an imperial Judiciary.”

Let’s see if the lower courts can handle ruling on the cases before them instead of being used as judge-shopping venues for groups to craft national policy.

i don't think republicans realize just how much this will hamstring future efforts they've relied upon if it's upheld consistently

also, what's the point of federal judges if their orders are apparently purely limited to their districts? only scotus orders apply nationwide in this regard?

sure seems like an unprecedented legal setup to me, and one that would have largely invalidated decades of legal precedent and allowed for a whole lot of things that were previously blocked

this is basically anarchy lmao, if you want to stop judge shopping you can do so without hamstringing the entire non-scotus federal judiciary

the fuck does no kings have to do with fucking federal district court judges, who have always been overruled by the scotus or appeals courts? man, the dishonest attempts to weaponize liberal shit in bad faith is really bad. just lacks any creativity or imagination

[Xyonai]

As I said before, I'd find these people marginally less insufferable if they were st least honest about wanting their shitty one-party state.

[Belize]

i don't think republicans realize just how much this will hamstring future efforts they've relied upon if it's upheld consistently

SCOTUS will just change their mind when it's things they themselves disagree with, let's not pretend there will be any sort of consistency or honesty

[gondrin]

Sometimes you don't even need to hear him speak to end up with a fucking aneurysm.

Trump is consistent in one thing and that is being wrong. The ruling had nothing to do with Birthright Citizenship. It has to do with the actual nationwide injunctions.

However, he just fucked over the 5th District Court of Appeals. In a BIG way as that is where a LOT of conservative injunctions came out of.

However, and this is the big irony, ICE cannot declare someone as illegal if they are in an area that recognizes Birthright Citizenship. If they rule against it, we literally go back to when there was a time when slavery was legal in part of the US but illegal in another part. You could be both a slave and not a slave at the same time depending on where you are at. Same would happen here. It would mean that people would be both US citizens in one state and another state, not a citizen.

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i don't think republicans realize just how much this will hamstring future efforts they've relied upon if it's upheld consistently

also, what's the point of federal judges if their orders are apparently purely limited to their districts? only scotus orders apply nationwide in this regard?

sure seems like an unprecedented legal setup to me, and one that would have largely invalidated decades of legal precedent and allowed for a whole lot of things that were previously blocked

this is basically anarchy lmao, if you want to stop judge shopping you can do so without hamstringing the entire non-scotus federal judiciary

the fuck does no kings have to do with fucking federal district court judges, who have always been overruled by the scotus or appeals courts? man, the dishonest attempts to weaponize liberal shit in bad faith is really bad. just lacks any creativity or imagination

Yep. This just screwed over the 5th District Court of Appeals that Conservatives LOVE to use. Best part is, this also means that conservatives cannot go forum shopping as it won't do anything for them anymore.

[SAY HER NAME]

Sometimes you don't even need to hear him speak to end up with a fucking aneurysm.

I love that Trump is so transparent about what the purpose of this was. The supreme court whether they wanted to or not have basically allowed Trump to end birthright citizenship. The ACTUAL argument is pointless now. Oh well.

[tehdang]

i don't think republicans realize just how much this will hamstring future efforts they've relied upon if it's upheld consistently

also, what's the point of federal judges if their orders are apparently purely limited to their districts? only scotus orders apply nationwide in this regard?

Orders are too broad a term. Under consideration here are just universal injunctions.

sure seems like an unprecedented legal setup to me, and one that would have largely invalidated decades of legal precedent and allowed for a whole lot of things that were previously blocked

this is basically anarchy lmao, if you want to stop judge shopping you can do so without hamstringing the entire non-scotus federal judiciary

the fuck does no kings have to do with fucking federal district court judges, who have always been overruled by the scotus or appeals courts? man, the dishonest attempts to weaponize liberal shit in bad faith is really bad. just lacks any creativity or imagination

They are capable of being overruled, as you’ve just seen them done now! It’s a larger form of overruling, seeing as how the multiplying universal injunctions have been improperly considered. I don’t want to repeat the entire Supreme Court reasoning on why this restraint is appropriate, so I refer you to the syllabus (when you say decades of legal precedent, it incorporates centuries of legal precedent, so you might enjoy the read). It already considers how a state lawsuit may bring up more widespread relief, and instructs the lower courts to hear arguments for that. It expressly does not rule on the subject.

[cordrann]

The court just castrated themselves welp we are even more fucked than we were.

Based on what I read, it seems more like a personal power grab by the Supreme Court away from the lower courts. They are basically saying they must always have the final say on national issues that get challenged in court. In effect, it will end up creating an even more unhinged administration, but they gave up none of their personal power.

[SAY HER NAME]

i don't think republicans realize just how much this will hamstring future efforts they've relied upon if it's upheld consistently

also, what's the point of federal judges if their orders are apparently purely limited to their districts? only scotus orders apply nationwide in this regard?

sure seems like an unprecedented legal setup to me, and one that would have largely invalidated decades of legal precedent and allowed for a whole lot of things that were previously blocked

this is basically anarchy lmao, if you want to stop judge shopping you can do so without hamstringing the entire non-scotus federal judiciary

the fuck does no kings have to do with fucking federal district court judges, who have always been overruled by the scotus or appeals courts? man, the dishonest attempts to weaponize liberal shit in bad faith is really bad. just lacks any creativity or imagination

Regarding the highlighted part. There is a very obvious asymmetry here. The government can fast track its cases to the supreme court if it chooses to, but the opposite is not true. A state can challenge the court case and defend its constituents but not every state is willing to do so. So for people in those states, they have to wait until the other states resolve the dispute or slowly work their way up to the supreme court.

Basically, the government can lunch unconstitutional executive orders and have those orders be held in states that agree with it. Even if the government loses those people temporarily had no rights.

Republicans are not aware that the next admin can simply choose to seize guns and basically make gun owning temporarily illegal in the states that agree with its policies.

[tehdang]

Yep. This just screwed over the 5th District Court of Appeals that Conservatives LOVE to use. Best part is, this also means that conservatives cannot go forum shopping as it won't do anything for them anymore.

First, this should absolutely be cheered as limiting conservative legal groups from pursuing a strategy of universal injunctions via forum shopping. Secondly, Trump is again wrong in prognosticating a victory in the case. It is a PARTIAL STAY of an INJUNCTION.

It does not reach the merits of the case at all. It doesn’t even decide the full case, since some of it is directly passed back down for further argument.

[SAY HER NAME]

It would also apply to immigration!!

If the next dem candidate is pro immigration he can simply have those policies be respected by California regardless of what Texas thinks. Same with student loan forgiveness and whatnot.