Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

It's a shame that I, a person who works a normal 9 to 5 completely unrelated to politics and has never gambled, was fully aware of this new gambling provision before it passed, and these senators were somehow completely oblivious.

I know they love spending most of their time golfing and vacationing, but surely they can at least put in 2 or 3 hours of work on a weekday???

in all fairness: this is what they have staff for. staff reads the bill cover to cover, summarizes it, provides key info etc. which is totally fine, that's what they're there to do - the more time consuming work so they can provide the salient info to the senator.

but yeah, this is just a trend with republicans either

a) not reading or having their staff read legislation they vote on

or

b) they knew about it and didn't care and are just lying to the press

neither are good options

[TACOshake]

Grats to Uncomitted and Bernie Bros stuck in 2016.
Trump hands another win to Netanyahu during his big visit this week. The U.S. State Department is imposing sanctions on U.N. Human Rights Council Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese.


During the 2016 campiagn, two of the populist campaigns blasted the HRC for being part of the "deMoCrat EstaBLiSHmeNt". Because they endorsed Hillary.

<monkey paw curls a finger>

[Poopymonster]

in all fairness: this is what they have staff for. staff reads the bill cover to cover, summarizes it, provides key info etc. which is totally fine, that's what they're there to do - the more time consuming work so they can provide the salient info to the senator.

but yeah, this is just a trend with republicans either

a) not reading or having their staff read legislation they vote on

or

b) they knew about it and didn't care and are just lying to the press

neither are good options

It's dEeP sTaTe getting to the staff to get them to leave out important things!
/s

[Fugus]

Grats to Uncomitted and Bernie Bros stuck in 2016.
Trump hands another win to Netanyahu during his big visit this week. The U.S. State Department is imposing sanctions on U.N. Human Rights Council Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese.


During the 2016 campiagn, two of the populist campaigns blasted the HRC for being part of the "deMoCrat EstaBLiSHmeNt". Because they endorsed Hillary.

<monkey paw curls a finger>

And once again the white knights for Clinton come out to blame Bernie supporters for Clinton running off her own base…

Seriously, the more you try to cling to the fantasy that it’s the fault of the voters for being run off instead of her for running them off, the more you encourage a repeat of that election.

Even if you were to finger wag ever Bernie supporter here and on every wow server in America into submission, you would only have flipped a few thousand voters at best for that massive effort. By comparison, if you finger wagged Clinton into not saying she wasn’t going to give anything to her voters because “I’m winning” that one event change alone could have been worth 100k votes easy.

Do find it funny that one of the big Clinton quotes that best describes that election is her talking about how she was winning. Weird how her paraphrasing Trump over her ego with sanders caused the Trump curse to kill her election like everything else Trump touches.

Monkeys paw indeed.

[Endus]

And once again the white knights for Clinton come out to blame Bernie supporters for Clinton running off her own base…

Seriously, the more you try to cling to the fantasy that it’s the fault of the voters for being run off instead of her for running them off, the more you encourage a repeat of that election.

They ran off. That was their choice. They couldn't bear to vote for Clinton and preferred to see Trump win.

Clinton was not mind-controlling people. They made their free choice. It was not forced in any way.

This remains a really weird argument; you insist that people who preferred a Trump Presidency over voting for Clinton somehow had no personal agency or choice in the matter, and that their hands were forced by Clinton and thus they bear no responsibility for their choices in that election cycle.

Sorry, people remain responsible for their own decision-making, no matter how much you try and deflect that away. Your angle on this is no better than Trumpsters today saying "I didn't vote for these things that were definitely gonna happen if I voted for Trump!" Your vote, your responsibiity.

[Fugus]

They ran off. That was their choice. They couldn't bear to vote for Clinton and preferred to see Trump win.

Clinton was not mind-controlling people. They made their free choice. It was not forced in any way.

This remains a really weird argument; you insist that people who preferred a Trump Presidency over voting for Clinton somehow had no personal agency or choice in the matter, and that their hands were forced by Clinton and thus they bear no responsibility for their choices in that election cycle.

Sorry, people remain responsible for their own decision-making, no matter how much you try and deflect that away. Your angle on this is no better than Trumpsters today saying "I didn't vote for these things that were definitely gonna happen if I voted for Trump!" Your vote, your responsibiity.

It was Clinton's choice to run them off thinking they had no choice. She made that choice, she created that resentment among her own voters.

I am not ignoring the agency of anyone involved. I am trying to repeatedly point out that the fault wasn't with the voters as much as it was with the politicians in this situation. They know how the average voter is.

Endus, you have more faith in people than I do on the large scale it seems. You seem to think most of them go on logic and reason and that emotions aren't a bigger portion of that for most voters.

Lets put it this way, you have a bear around you, you need to have that bear to help you with stuff otherwise both you and the bear die. So you decide to kick the bear in the nuts and yell it at aggressively. Do you blame the bear for both of you dying or do you blame yourself for kicking the bear in the nuts and making sure he wouldn't do what he needed to do.

Or to put it another way. Which is easier?
1) Getting millions of voters to hold their nose and support someone who actively snubbed them with a smile on their face because they think you have no choice? Or...
2) Having the person who needs your to support to just not act entitled to it and act like they can basically ignore you because you have no choice?

As I said before, on behalf of all American voters who didn't vote for Clinton that election, I will take for credit for the 3% of the blame we deserve. But Clinton herself bares 50%+ of the blame in this situation.

Me and every single educated voter in the nation could have held our nose and voted for her anyways, she still would have lost because the majority who stayed home or left that slot blank, or wrote in Sanders name like I did, aren't the most educated on this stuff.

Endus, you have to stop giving millions of Americans the credit you do thinking they are as invested in this stuff as this forum is, most of them don't even know that companies don't pay taxes on their gross revenue, just their net after deductions. Most of them don't know that if they deny suspected illegals due process then that means they themselves can have their denied at an instant. Most of them don't know much beyond the basic stuff. You can't act like they do or you will be disappointed every time. And every politician who runs for office also knows this or should if they hope to win.

[TACOshake]

Dudes that didnt vote democratic in 2016, with the Supreme court on the line. Do that gymnastics/jet pack comic to explain away how they screwed up.

[PosPosPos]

Endus, you have more faith in people than I do on the large scale it seems. You seem to think most of them go on logic and reason and that emotions aren't a bigger portion of that for most voters.

Endus believes that it's every voter's obligation to vote for the least evil candidate that can win - even if said candidate is only marginally less evil than their counterpart.

That in itself is illogical, because if every voter did that, it would only reward the group of evil leaders because they can continue pushing increasingly evil candidates and shifting the needle every election as long as they offered up a candidate that is, say, 1% less evil.

Change from within a system cannot occur when it offers only two options: 1) make the system worse 2) make the system worse, but only slightly less than 1).
The end result is entirely identical, just a matter of speed.

[TACOshake]

TRUMP TAKE SPACE EXPLORATION


Over 2,000 senior staff set to leave NASA under agency push.
Forget any Moon landings or Mars shit. Or cool stuff like the Webb telescope. The expertise that pulled off those small miracles is getting shitcanned.

The 2,145 employees are those in GS-13 to GS-15 positions — senior-level government ranks that are typically reserved for those with specialized skills or management responsibilities. The losses are particularly concentrated at higher levels, with 875 GS-15 employees set to leave, according to the documents.


Also fucks up NASA's projects in deep seas and antarctic exploration.

Fuck you again, to the people that voted for this. Or couldnt be assed to vote against it.

[postman1782]

For the record, and to those of you to whom it matters, En Sabah Nur is correct - the account didn't change their name. The account was created just before the spam started, made random posts to get past the threshold to be able to post pictures, then started the spam.

And with that, let's get back on topic please.

I guarantee it was Roneth since he has a hardon for Endus.

[draynay]

Change from within a system cannot occur when it offers only two options: 1) make the system worse 2) make the system worse, but only slightly less than 1).
The end result is entirely identical, just a matter of speed.

True, but I'm not loving our current speed run to oblivion.

[Endus]

Endus believes that it's every voter's obligation to vote for the least evil candidate that can win - even if said candidate is only marginally less evil than their counterpart.

That in itself is illogical, because if every voter did that, it would only reward the group of evil leaders because they can continue pushing increasingly evil candidates and shifting the needle every election as long as they offered up a candidate that is, say, 1% less evil.

Change from within a system cannot occur when it offers only two options: 1) make the system worse 2) make the system worse, but only slightly less than 1).
The end result is entirely identical, just a matter of speed.

More accurately, I just want people to own their own responsibility for their choices, rather than claiming their agency was denied because of something a political candidate did in their campaign.

Also, that responsibility extends far outside merely the ballot box. If you think reform is necessary (and I agree!), then what are you doing to contribute to that reform? Because "not voting" does absolutely nothing in that regard.

[Kaleredar]

Endus believes that it's every voter's obligation to vote for the least evil candidate that can win - even if said candidate is only marginally less evil than their counterpart.

That in itself is illogical, because if every voter did that, it would only reward the group of evil leaders because they can continue pushing increasingly evil candidates and shifting the needle every election as long as they offered up a candidate that is, say, 1% less evil.

Change from within a system cannot occur when it offers only two options: 1) make the system worse 2) make the system worse, but only slightly less than 1).
The end result is entirely identical, just a matter of speed.

“Democrats aren’t tough on Israel” and “democrats don’t push for foundational economic restructuring” is not “slightly less evil” than the republican’s “we will aid Israel conquering Palestine,” “we will disassemble the federal government and place it into the hands of corporate interests” and “we will deploy armed forces to intimidate and arrest those that dissent against us,” and even implying such is downright buffoonish.

[Edge-]

TRUMP TAKE SPACE EXPLORATION


Over 2,000 senior staff set to leave NASA under agency push.
Forget any Moon landings or Mars shit. Or cool stuff like the Webb telescope. The expertise that pulled off those small miracles is getting shitcanned.

The 2,145 employees are those in GS-13 to GS-15 positions — senior-level government ranks that are typically reserved for those with specialized skills or management responsibilities. The losses are particularly concentrated at higher levels, with 875 GS-15 employees set to leave, according to the documents.


Also fucks up NASA's projects in deep seas and antarctic exploration.

Fuck you again, to the people that voted for this. Or couldnt be assed to vote against it.

NASA was nice while it lasted, it's not coming back from this if it goes through.

[Elenos]

NASA was nice while it lasted, it's not coming back from this if it goes through.

Congress will disagree, actually they already have:

https://www.astronomy.com/space-expl...n-to-the-moon/

Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill adds $9.9 billion to NASA’s budget, reversing plans to cut the Space Launch System and Orion. Here's what it means for the future of Artemis.

All I can is just do a 'sigh' and say that the White House budget office is run by idiots with something to prove. Oh sure some people will retire, until Congress passes a CR or, heavens forbid, an actual budget, and then increases NASA budget again beyond OBBB did.

You also have to love Ted Cruz spending 100 million to move Discovery to Texas.

Just cause.

[Poopymonster]

Congress will disagree, actually they already have:

https://www.astronomy.com/space-expl...n-to-the-moon/



All I can is just do a 'sigh' and say that the White House budget office is run by idiots with something to prove. Oh sure some people will retire, until Congress passes a CR or, heavens forbid, an actual budget, and then increases NASA budget again.

How much of that "NASA budget" goes to Space X(plosion)?

[Elenos]

How much of that "NASA budget" goes to Space X(plosion)?

None as far as I can tell, beyond any impact SpaceX has on Artemis. In fact it directly gives billions to SpaceX's competitors. SLS, Orion, Gateway gets a lot of cash from it.

There are three states vital for NASA: Florida, Texas and Alabama. All are controlled by the GOP and their Senators, especially Texas, basically got billions to fund NASA. Because hey if you want Ted Cruz to vote for your border wall and ICE better give him a space shuttle.

Red State pork barrel spending at it's finest gents.

[Edge-]

Congress will disagree, actually they already have:

https://www.astronomy.com/space-expl...n-to-the-moon/



All I can is just do a 'sigh' and say that the White House budget office is run by idiots with something to prove. Oh sure some people will retire, until Congress passes a CR or, heavens forbid, an actual budget, and then increases NASA budget again beyond OBBB did.

You also have to love Ted Cruz spending 100 million to move Discovery to Texas.

Just cause.

because donald has shown he listens to congress and will spend congressionally appropriated/mandated funding?

i mean, he's been fighting that, rather successfully, since he went into office.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Sure, in theory, you absolutely want to push for better candidates, rather than just the least evil one. However, even Bernie Sanders basically said "Yea, vote for Clinton at this point."

Also, people who didn't vote in that election because they couldn't stomach Clinton, even if it was instead of a Nazi? Up until a year ago, I had been a life-long Republican voter and even I voted for Clinton.

You fight the battles you can, reminding yourself that at least Clinton wouldn't have set up concentration camps and shit like what's currently going on.

[D Luniz]

And the "your playing with world war 3" projection
Ill just use one of Breccia's stored Fox-CNN points since like most billionaires, there is no way theyll be spent before expiration of the owner

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