Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Adamas102]

To add to this. Because it is cheaper it is also used in excess to try to get the consumer addicted to the product

Fructose can only be processed by liver while glucose has more numerous metabolic pathways.

It is just worse healthwise at equal dose and there is more incentive to use it at higher dose

No, it's not...

There is basically no metabolic difference between consuming a 50/50 glucose/fructose solution (HFCS) vs consuming a 50/50 glucose/fructose disaccharide (cane sugar/sucrose). The latter is broken up into its component monosaccharides in the intestines so when it's absorbed into the blood stream they both have the same effect. There is no notable difference on insulin levels or on satiety. Both will increase liver fat and risk of diabetes. People who consume HFCS in excess will absolutely NOT become healthier by substituting it with cane sugar in equal dose.

Yes, the use of corn derivatives in the US is mostly because it's way cheaper to grow corn vs sugarcane here, and there's probably some weight to the notion that if corporations were forced to use a more expensive sweetener they would use less of it. But at the basic chemical level, the body cannot differentiate between the source of one glucose or fructose molecule vs another. The body will treat it the same whether it came from corn starch or from sugarcane.

It's really not an exaggeration. When I wanted to go keto at one point, I went looking for even simple things like lunch meat that I could have to snack on. I was surprised when I'd even see a serving of lunch meat contain small amounts of HFCS.

Take something like Oscar Mayer Bologna. You know, the salty as fuck meat.

1 Slice contains 1g of Sugar.

Ingredients list: Beef, Water, Corn Syrup, Contains Less than 2% of....

Why!

Corn syrup is NOT the same thing as high fructose corn syrup (they didn't just forget to add those extra two words on the label). The former is basically pure glucose. It's still not good to consume in excess. Outside the US you'll find the same product just called "glucose syrup", typically derived from potato.

Sugar, regardless of where it comes from, is going to be bad for you when eaten in excess, and we certainly do have a food industry that jams them in everything. However, this idea that these specific corn derivative products are some completely unnatural concoction of chemicals that the body cannot process properly is pure fiction.

[Rasulis]

I also wonder how much of it has to do with job tumult. If you don’t feel secure in a job or a particular location you aren’t going to be buying a house. If rent in the short or medium term is less expensive or even kind of on par with a mortgage payment people will be more inclined to do that than risk a huge investment like a house they might end up taking a bath on to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars based on how the market feels that month.

This could have been mitigated by more extensive work-from-home policies, but we can see how quickly those all got rolled back the moment it became convenient.

Possible. I still think it is mostly job quality. Florida metro areas simply do not have enough well-paying jobs to sustain those high home prices and the associated HOA, property tax, insurance and utility costs that come with owning a house.

The influx of rich people from New York and other tech hubs drove the home price and inflation up. However, once they left, the price is stuck up there. Most of the people that bought Florida homes during Covid have enough resources to wait out the market. Hence, we are only seeing miniscule drops in home prices. People would rather pull their homes off the market than selling at a big lost.

[Breccia]

I see Trump is so desperate to deflect from being caught raping children, he's suggested paying Americans to shut up.

"We have so much money coming in, we're thinking about a little rebate," Trump told reporters outside the White House.

"A little rebate for people of a certain income level might be very nice."

"Did he say how much?"

No.

"Did he say who would get one?"

No. But let's be charitable and call it the brainstorming session. As the article says, Trump's tariffs have raised $100 billion so far. Let's say that doubles for the second half of the year.

That's roughly $1,000 per taxpayer.

Well, Yale said Trump tariffs would be about $2400 per family. Incidentally, that estimate is on the low side. I saw higher values from April and May.

In other words, Trump could give away every single dollar from tariffs and the US taxpayer would still lose money.

"But that doesn't make sense."

Hmm. Remember earlier this afternoon when

U.S. steelmakers say Trump’s tariffs ‘working,’ want Canada to follow suit

See you fools King Trump is a genius. What's that?

Both Cleveland-Cliffs and Steel Dynamics said in their latest quarterly earnings reports this week that they are charging buyers about 14 per cent more than they did in the previous quarter, while Acerinox said it is considering doing the same as soon as this fall.

Oh so a corporation is deciding to raise their prices at the same as foreign steel and making more profit since they are tariff protected. You mean they don't pass the savings onto the consumer? Hmm? Almost as capitalism has a flaw and tariff protections are flawed.

Well, look at that. A price increase that's not a tariff, just a price gouge. If anyone doubts this could happen, (a) it clearly did, PA cited his source, (b) we saw it with eggs earlier this very year.

All that's past the obvious point of "Trump never pays what he promises". The GOP budget bill raised $4 trillion in new debt, cutting social programs like PBS in the eight-figure range. No, there isn't $1,000 per taxpayer to magically create and hand out. That money isn't in the budget, and that money doesn't exist.

Also, Trump lies all the time about everything.

The "rebate" issue is a distraction. Even if Trump wasn't lying, even if Congress allowed it, even if the money existed, it won't cover the damages Trump did on purpose. Anyone pointing to the "rebate" as if it's a sure thing and a good thing is admitting Trump raped children, because the only benefit of this "rebate" discussion is deflecting from that.

[zorkuus]

Maybe. But I still have this fraction of a % worth of hope that if he actually goes through with that, his presidency is all but over. His cult couldn't care less that he was convicted of dozens of business/finance felonies, but that dude in tears over "protecting the children" on Glenn Beck's show leads me to believe that at least some of them think they're fighting for some noble cause. This would destroy that illusion for *a lot* of them.

INCORRECT. This is just another scandal among many. He might lose SOME people over this, but not enough to make a difference. You can quote me on this. Like I said earlier, the new marching orders are being given as we speak "Ghislaine Maxwell is a victim in all this" and I bet the base is just eating it up like the good little shitheads they are.

[Malkiah]

god

watching republicans apparently turn into the party of pro-child-rape is sure a thing to behold

god

watching you younger folks apparently have to re-re-re-re-learn that republicans are and always have been the party of pro-child rape sure is a thing to behold.

*edit to add:
i don't mean that in a shitty way, it's just remarkable to me watching how civilization is like the wave pool at a water park, just the same undulations over and over again.
in the early 2000s when i was losing my absolute shit over the bush admin i remember people being like 'what you're just figuring this out? pffft newbie' and i never understood that attitude but now i'm the crusty old man and i get it.
it's very surreal to me being the old guy who has seen all this before watching the reactions of a newer generation of people rediscover what US conservatives really are.

[gondrin]

I see Trump is so desperate to deflect from being caught raping children, he's suggested paying Americans to shut up.



"Did he say how much?"

No.

"Did he say who would get one?"

No. But let's be charitable and call it the brainstorming session. As the article says, Trump's tariffs have raised $100 billion so far. Let's say that doubles for the second half of the year.

That's roughly $1,000 per taxpayer.

Well, Yale said Trump tariffs would be about $2400 per family. Incidentally, that estimate is on the low side. I saw higher values from April and May.

In other words, Trump could give away every single dollar from tariffs and the US taxpayer would still lose money.

"But that doesn't make sense."

Hmm. Remember earlier this afternoon when



Well, look at that. A price increase that's not a tariff, just a price gouge. If anyone doubts this could happen, (a) it clearly did, PA cited his source, (b) we saw it with eggs earlier this very year.

All that's past the obvious point of "Trump never pays what he promises". The GOP budget bill raised $4 trillion in new debt, cutting social programs like PBS in the eight-figure range. No, there isn't $1,000 per taxpayer to magically create and hand out. That money isn't in the budget, and that money doesn't exist.

Also, Trump lies all the time about everything.

The "rebate" issue is a distraction. Even if Trump wasn't lying, even if Congress allowed it, even if the money existed, it won't cover the damages Trump did on purpose. Anyone pointing to the "rebate" as if it's a sure thing and a good thing is admitting Trump raped children, because the only benefit of this "rebate" discussion is deflecting from that.

Nope. If Trump wants to pay me off, he has to offer me the same deal as Daniels and the payout that Carroll got. A $1000 payout isn't enough. I demand $130k or greater. /s

And the funny thing is, as much of an asshole he was, Reagan basically said the same thing about what happens when tariffs come into play. It rarely plays well for the average US consumer. Because all it does is tell companies that now since the floor for charging something is now 15% greater if they are not affected by tariffs, they can just pad their profit margins. And when prices go up, they rarely come down outside of things like fuel and other directly traded commodities. Reagan is a horrible person that did a LOT of bad things. This doesn't mean he cannot be right in this case.

Tariffs only work under very specific circumstances and that would be a heavily state subsidized industry is trying to sell somewhere else where they would have a massive advantage due to it being so heavily subsidized and it is to give an even playing field. But as far as Trump's tariffs go, this is not nor has it ever been the case. He always thinks that because the United States has a trade deficit with most nations that they aren't playing fair. Outside of China with currency value manipulation(to an extent), the United States, due to the fact that it is(or was, not sure anymore) the largest consumer economy in the world, is always going to have trade deficits with pretty much everyone and anyone. Because he cannot understand that is what happens when you buy more then you sell to someone else.

Tariffs will not nor ever has changed that. So, thanks to Trump, we will now have higher prices across the board. Because stuff getting shipped in will be more expensive due to tariffs and stuff made pretty much entirely in the US with US materials will be more expensive because now the floor is higher on what to charge.

The only person that gets screwed is the consumer.

[Endus]

INCORRECT. This is just another scandal among many. He might lose SOME people over this, but not enough to make a difference. You can quote me on this. Like I said earlier, the new marching orders are being given as we speak "Ghislaine Maxwell is a victim in all this" and I bet the base is just eating it up like the good little shitheads they are.

People who think this is a line too far haven't been paying attention.

They don't care that he's always been racist.
They don't care that he's an idiot who speaks at a 4th grade level.
They don't care that he's a convicted fraudster.
They don't care that he's a rapist.
They don't care that he looks insane.
They don't care that he's deeply corrupt.
They don't care that he lies as he breathes.

None of these have ever mattered. You think a little child rape is going to tip the apple cart, when all that was just totally fine? The only thing happening right now is the MAGA nuts were programmed with "we hate Democrats because they're pedos" and they're being asked to rewrite that with "pedos are just fine actually". They've rewritten their views and values before, they'll do it here, and they'll keep doing it, because nobody who voted for Trump holds actual moral values. Not even heinous ones. They're all amoral fully-programmable cultists. It just takes some time for the new dogma to percolate and be adopted. That's all we're seeing.

Just like how in 1984, they'd been at war with Eurasia and allied with EastAsia, until word came down that they'd always been allied with Eurasia and had always been at war with EastAsia (or maybe it was the other way around, it doesn't even matter, this was exactly what Orwell was driving at).

Stop expecting Trump supporters to suddenly find a moral center they won't shift from. They don't have a moral center. They do not have any personal morality whatsoever. Only what is currently convenient, and/or whatever their petty hatreds can use as a cover story.

[Xyonai]

Yeah the only people who're really gonna get pulled away from Trump in the long term are independents who - for some reason - voted for him. Like even if the Chuds being loud and pissy is going on a bit longer than expected, once the chips are down and they need to rally behind the leader they'll fall in line without a second thought.

[Valdhammer]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...pstein-2104066

why is donald trump talking about pardoning ghislaine maxwell?

it sure sounds like he raped a whole bunch of children and is working very hard to cover that up now

Epstein’s child rape facilitator is desperate for a pardon and knows just how to get it. She’s just spent 9+ hours telling that DoJ doofus everything he wants to hear and nothing he doesn’t. And she’ll do the same for the Republicans on congress. This was just the rehearsal.

It’s actually brilliant. It completely lifts all pressure from Trump. He doesn’t have to release any actual records or lift a finger in a way that could adversely affect him. She does all the dirty work and probably gets a pardon before he leaves office.

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god

watching you younger folks apparently have to re-re-re-re-learn that republicans are and always have been the party of pro-child rape sure is a thing to behold.

*edit to add:
i don't mean that in a shitty way, it's just remarkable to me watching how civilization is like the wave pool at a water park, just the same undulations over and over again.
in the early 2000s when i was losing my absolute shit over the bush admin i remember people being like 'what you're just figuring this out? pffft newbie' and i never understood that attitude but now i'm the crusty old man and i get it.
it's very surreal to me being the old guy who has seen all this before watching the reactions of a newer generation of people rediscover what US conservatives really are.

It’s the same shit but magnified 100x by the power of social media and the collapse of traditional media, i.e “the common diet” of information.

[gondrin]

Well, another judge, another loss for Trump. This time, a federal judge basically told Trump that his lawsuits against "sanctuary cities" is trying to do a run around of the 10th Amendment and trying to force US Cities and States to work with the Federal Government on things like immigration. The 10th Amendment effectively bars the US Government from requiring the States from helping out the US Government in matters of federal policy or jurisdiction.

This is why I and others have said that any "sanctuary city/state" policy is nothing more than said city/state saying that "We aren't going to help you do your job. We aren't going to hinder you but you have to do it on your own."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fe...ef49f592&ei=16

[Malkiah]

It’s the same shit but magnified 100x by the power of social media and the collapse of traditional media, i.e “the common diet” of information.

it's weird, it's like...
ok, reagan fucking destroyed the US but most people didn't really know it until the 2000s, because the news sure as shit never reported on deregulation or gutting taxes and welfare or ignoring AIDS or the iran/contra thing or anything else, and it wasn't until the internet age that widespread understanding started to disseminate.
i was 20 in 2000 and was politically radicalized over the next 8 years by the bush admin and remember thinking... ok this time it's gonna stick, with the internet and changes in news and culture, we're not gonna memory hole this like we did with reagan, we're gonna remember what republicans do when they're in power.

but then no, the US cultural zeitgeist acts like obama was the first president the US ever had, nobody remembers anything, to the point where people think trump is anything new.
and that doesn't make trump less bad obviously but it's just so freaking weird to me that humans work this way on a mass scale.
not to blame younger folks for not knowing detailed political history, i just mean that this feels like the first i've been able to observe across the decades of my lifetime that an entire society just completely goldfished a hugely important thing about reality.
i know this isn't the first time it's happened and i'm not the first person to notice it, it's just the first big example of it that has happened since i've been paying attention to the world and it's bizarre.

[Mayhem]

considering I don't eat too much beef, I can live with this.

shame for all the dudes who eat steak every night or burgers with every meal or whatever4

This'll sort itself out when half of the US has become allergic to meat.

[alach]

Heres some interesting polling.



Basically the vast majority of Americans don't like anything trump is doing. Yet, still believe hes a good president. Not exactly sure how that works out. I would love to see some polling on "Do you think donald j trump is a decent human being." and "Do you feel confident in supporting a man that dances like he is jerking off two horses?"
Ok ok, one of those questions is irrelevant for being a good president, but one is not. My point is, I would have thought Americans would be sick of trump's general foolishness and his administration of billionaires before they were sick of his policies.

[Gorsameth]

Heres some interesting polling.


Basically the vast majority of Americans don't like anything trump is doing. Yet, still believe hes a good president. Not exactly sure how that works out. I would love to see some polling on "Do you think donald j trump is a decent human being." and "Do you feel confident in supporting a man that dances like he is jerking off two horses?"
Ok ok, one of those questions is irrelevant for being a good president, but one is not. My point is, I would have thought Americans would be sick of trump's general foolishness and his administration of billionaires before they were sick of his policies.

It makes perfect sense if you remember that Congress has had an approval rate of sub 20% for the last 20 years but a 90% re-election rate.

"They are doing a shit job but I want them to keep doing it" is extremely American.

[zorkuus]

"They are doing a shit job but I want them to keep doing it" is extremely American.

Goldfish memory also seems to be extremely american. I know that is kind of a thing with voters in many countries but americans turn it up to 11.

[Iphie]

Goldfish memory also seems to be extremely american. I know that is kind of a thing with voters in many countries but americans turn it up to 11.

The political system is rigged that way too, with only two relevant choices the opposing party often has no chance at all. In the Dutch system, and to a lesser extend the Finnish system, it's much easier to get rid of a politician since you have viable alternatives and ways of doing so.

[Moralgy]

Heres some interesting polling.



Basically the vast majority of Americans don't like anything trump is doing. Yet, still believe hes a good president. Not exactly sure how that works out. I would love to see some polling on "Do you think donald j trump is a decent human being." and "Do you feel confident in supporting a man that dances like he is jerking off two horses?"
Ok ok, one of those questions is irrelevant for being a good president, but one is not. My point is, I would have thought Americans would be sick of trump's general foolishness and his administration of billionaires before they were sick of his policies.

It is a cult. He will be reganized despite fucking no one but far right people enjoying his actual actions. "he is a good president, just everything he did sucked" is so fucking culty.

[Belize]

It makes perfect sense if you remember that Congress has had an approval rate of sub 20% for the last 20 years but a 90% re-election rate.

"They are doing a shit job but I want them to keep doing it" is extremely American.

That's easily explainable though, it's the same mentality as "immigrants bad".

Anything that's wrong with congress isn't the fault of *their* representative, it's all the other state's representatives that are bad and the issue.

[Kathandira]

Heres some interesting polling.



Basically the vast majority of Americans don't like anything trump is doing. Yet, still believe hes a good president. Not exactly sure how that works out. I would love to see some polling on "Do you think donald j trump is a decent human being." and "Do you feel confident in supporting a man that dances like he is jerking off two horses?"
Ok ok, one of those questions is irrelevant for being a good president, but one is not. My point is, I would have thought Americans would be sick of trump's general foolishness and his administration of billionaires before they were sick of his policies.

We are very sad and will miss Mary Joe Beth. She was a pillar of our community, and made everyone's day a little brighter when she was around. But Father was not pleased with her, and she needed to be burned at the stake the cleanse her of her sins. We are not happy about this and wish there was another way. But Father knows best, and we don't question Father.

[Milchshake]

What a Cult looks like in graph form.