Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[tehdang]

You’re pegging a lot of ignoring Trump’s malfeasance on an unsubstantiated claim of wrongdoing.

Meanwhile, we have the Trump administration directly saying they don’t want to report numbers anymore.

So if someone’s ignoring something here… it’s you, bub.

Actually, I thought you were talking about DC’s crime and whether Trump should’ve deployed the national guard. I now learn that DC crime statistics and the scandal was your introduction to the real topic: Trump’s problems with the reporting of statistics in cases like BLS. I would direct you to the part of my previous post where both can be wrong and corrupt without any skin off my back. Trump’s perfidy doesn’t absolve the DC police department and vice versa. I did post links in the original post that directly rebut your prior claim of “crime has been trending downwards for a long time” on the crime spike and crime stat falsification, if DC police and national guard regain your interest.

[Edge-]

You’re pegging a lot of ignoring Trump’s malfeasance on an unsubstantiated claim of wrongdoing.

you see, he won't defend trump, he'll tell you as much

he'll just constantly argue in defense of trump and all of his policies

but not defend him

[Moralgy]

you see, he won't defend trump, he'll tell you as much

he'll just constantly argue in defense of trump and all of his policies

but not defend him

Why are conservatives so ashamed to be in support of things they like.

[Breccia]

You know you were wrong to say that crime has been trending down

I linked the DoJ, so, no we weren't.

He points out a problem in a ridiculous or nonsensical or nonconstructive way, and Trump opponents reflexively fight back and expose a disregard for the truth.

A Trump supporter has no moral standing to claim others disregard the truth.

Still no mention of Putin.

Still no mention of "MASSIVE" election fraud, speaking of "disregard the truth"

You are a coward and a troll supporting a terrorist and a child rapist. It's long since been clear you have no points to make, especially when you lead with a outright objective lie.

[En Sabah Nur]

I'm getting big Twitter Files energy for some reason.

[Breccia]

More on Trump's deal with the EU: like everyone thought, it was a failure.

University of Michigan economics and public policy professor Justin Wolfers wrote on X that after perusing the deal, he discovered Trump's promise of $600 billion being sent to the U.S. from the E.U. isn't on the list.

"The most important thing is what's not there. Trump had boasted, 'They gave me $600 billion, and that’s a gift.' But guess what? They didn't. He didn't get a penny," wrote Wolfers. "Bottom line: The final text of the EU-US trade deal delivers $5,000 less to the average American household than the handshake agreement Trump boasted of on August 5."

"I expect there will be soul-searching, an investigation, and recriminations, as the White House explores how its negotiators fell $600 billion short of the deal the president thought he had struck. Resignations seem likely, and a re-think of the entire deal-making apparatus," Wolfers added.

The deal mapped out on July 28 promised, "The EU will purchase $750 billion in U.S. energy and make new investments of $600 billion in the United States, all by 2028."

It explained, "The EU will invest $600 billion in the United States over the course of President Trump’s term. This new investment is in addition to the over $100 billion EU companies already invest in the United States every year."

It appeared again toward the end of the July 28 plan: "The deal bolsters America’s economy and manufacturing capabilities. The EU will purchase $750 billion in U.S. energy and make new investments of $600 billion in the United States, all by 2028."

The Aug. 21 deal changes the language significantly, shifting from a commitment to phrases like "make new investments" and "invest," and now saying things like they're "expected to invest."

"In this context, European companies are expected to invest an additional $600 billion across strategic sectors in the United States through 2028," the document says, removing the firm commitment. "This investment reflects the European Union’s strong commitment to the transatlantic partnership and its recognition of the United States as the most secure and innovative destination for foreign investment," the new deal says.

The economics professor says the negotiators failed, but I believe there is another option, just as bad. Trump lied. He never had the $600 billion in the first place. The negotiators could not add it to the deal because the EU never wanted it in the first place. This would absolutely fit if the EU, hearing Trump make up this demand out of nowhere, saying "no, we're not doing that".

Alternatively, the EU trolled Trump and just told everyone else "no, we're backing out of that, we lied to Trump and he believed it." It would not be the negotiators' fault for the EU trolling Trump, of course, but Trump might fire them anyhow. He has a proven history of asking people to do his job for him, and firing people without cause.

So, when Trump said "in exchange for me raising taxes on the American people, the EU will hand over free money" every single carbon-based life form on earth knew he was wrong. We're just dealing with the specifics of how wrong.

[Edge-]

poking around it seems that DC settlement is BIG NEWS in conservative media circles

but i thought settlements mean that nobody did anything wrong?

otherwise donald has settled a lot and oh boy that would not be good

anyways it seems most of this hysteria is sourced back to - fucking lmao - the washington free beacon

https://freebeacon.com/crime/a-dc-po...d-her-lawsuit/

who just post pages of sensational deposition claims that don't seem to actually be investigated or verified given the settlement

then we see some emails about...ensuring that police are accurately reporting crime statistics including correctly classifying theft crimes based on the value of property taken?

because yeah someone stealing a $2 bag of skittles doesn't make sense to add in meaningful crime statistics of violent or serious crime and makes a lot more sense in the much lower and less-serious "taking property without right"

and more emails about...ensuring the watch commander is spoken with before reporting serious crimes? checking with supervisors before bigger reports is pretty routine stuff in the professional world, for anyone who actually works in the professional world. my direct reports do that with me, and i do that with my bosses. i swear most conservative pearl clutching is just "we've never worked in a professional environment and don't know how that works" and it's hilarious

select emails in conversations with claims presented without any follow-up or investigation/verification of the claims

and then a frank conversation transcript that includes voiced concerns, a discussion, pointing out that she's not going through proper channels but and pointing out that if she has direct concerns with reporting to the chain of command to go to IA (yes you're supposed to call IA if you think your fellow officers are doing shit wrong that's why IA exists), and the captain otherwise simply disagreeing with djossou on the classification - disagreements happen.

and then it ends and man this is more of a nothingberder than the twitter files was and didn't taibbi already come out and admit they were bullshit fed to him be leon anyways?

gosh, conservatives constantly have to manufacture their own reality to justify why actually it's good that the feds are taking over DC and also t-boning people in armored vehicles!

[Jastall]

I'm getting big Twitter Files energy for some reason.

(Insert party and politicians I support) haven't done anything wrong until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Mere allegations against (insert party and politicians I don't support) will however be taken as factual truths whenever politically convenient.

[Breccia]

In the ongoing effort to demonstrate how poor of a negotiator Trump is, Putin blows up an electronics manufacturer with US ties.

Russia targeted a U.S.-founded electronics manufacturer near Ukraine's border with the European Union in a major air attack on Thursday as President Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought U.S. support to bring Russian leader Vladimir Putin to the negotiating table.

The overnight attack, which included 574 drones and 40 missiles, was one of the largest of Russia's full-scale invasion of its neighbour, now in its fourth year.

One person was killed and 22 were wounded, most of them in the attack that damaged storage facilities at the electronics manufacturer in Ukraine's far-Western Zakarpattia region, authorities said.

"It was a regular civilian business, supported by American investment, producing everyday items like coffee machines. And yet, it was also a target for the Russians," Zelenskiy wrote on X. "This is very telling."

Mukachevo mayor Andriy Baloha said the damaged enterprise belonged to the U.S.-listed company Flex Ltd. The corporate headquarters of the company, a global technology, supply chain and advanced manufacturing solutions partner, is in Austin, Texas and its registered office is in Singapore.

In Ukraine's western city of Lviv, the attack killed one person, wounded three others and damaged 26 homes, said Governor Maksym Kozytskyi. Authorities in southeastern Ukraine's Dnipropetrovsk region also reported damage to businesses, homes and gas lines. Two industry sources told Reuters a key gas pumping facility had been attacked, without giving a location.

Putin gave Trump all the respect he deserved. None.

[Edge-]

In the ongoing effort to demonstrate how poor of a negotiator Trump is, Putin blows up an electronics manufacturer with US ties.



Putin gave Trump all the respect he deserved. None.

"american-owned businesses were never targeted under joseph robinette biden"

(i don't know if this is actually true but who cares i'm running with it)

[Belize]

I was afraid you were hanging your head in shame for good.

Lmao, Trump supporters having shame.

Good one.

[En Sabah Nur]

When the "truth" is so big that I have to decrease the size of the webpage to fit it on one screen... and he still needs a second post to finish it off lol




Have you ever seen a whinier person?

[Breccia]

Have you ever seen a whinier person?

Ah, yes, the jury came down so hard on Trump that "other businesses" were afraid? Um, no. Incidentally, unless I'm reading this wrong, the issue wasn't the verdict, but the penalty. Pretty sure Trump still lost.

Speaking of Trump losing: Goldman Sachs just flat-out says in public on purpose that more weak job reports are coming, no matter how many messengers Trump shoots. Because legit experts and professionals do not trust Donald Trump.

The slowdown in the US job market isn't over — and it may get worse.

That's the warning from Goldman Sachs (GS) economists, who said hiring momentum has weakened more than previously thought. Revisions to earlier data suggest payroll growth is running at levels too low to sustain full employment.

"Our estimate of trend job growth is now clearly below even that low bar at 30k per month," Goldman Sachs economics analysts David Mericle and Jessica Rindels wrote. "Future revisions to job growth are more likely to be negative," they said, citing weakness in areas like healthcare payrolls, seasonal hiring, and the way government models account for new businesses.

The message contrasts with the relatively steady unemployment rate, which has hovered near 4%. But while joblessness doesn't show major cracks, other measures are flashing yellow, Goldman Sachs said. Labor force participation has slipped, job openings have started falling, and hiring outside a handful of industries has slowed to nearly zero.

That weakness matters for both the Federal Reserve and the White House. For the Fed, slowing payrolls strengthen the case for cutting interest rates to support growth. Goldman Sachs expects three quarter-point cuts this year — in September, October, and December — with potentially two more in 2026 if hiring stays soft.

Once again, we get into the dual nature of the Fed. They are supposed to get rates low if jobs suck, which they do, and keep rates higher if there's inflation, which there is, and which Trump's tariffs are intentionally making worse. Trump is also leading the charge on making job numbers worse by firing large chunks of the US government and closing businesses by chasing off undocumented workers. Simply put, for the Fed to cut rates during increasing inflation is a damning testimony of how badly Trump is running things. It'd be like Trump hearing you got fired and saying "well you save all that gas money by not going to work, this is a yuge bigly covfefe!"

But the slowdown appears more severe than immigration issues. Sectors like healthcare and education, which had been adding jobs via "catch-up hiring" to compensate for pandemic-related understaffing, are no longer seeing significant growth. This has contributed to a general weakness in job creation. Other sectors, including technology, manufacturing, and retail, could also face labor force headwinds in the coming months, the Goldman Sachs analysts noted.

Even modest additional softening could have outsized consequences. With the labor market already at the edge of what economists consider maximum employment, a low-turnover environment could make it harder for unemployed workers and new graduates to break in. That dynamic risks "locking out" parts of the labor force, even if unemployment doesn't surge, the analysts added.

Additionally, special factors could weigh further on employment in the coming months, including cuts to the federal reserve workforce, the expiration of temporary protected status for some immigrants, and tighter immigration enforcement.

"Well it's just Goldman Sachs, what do they know about failing? They've never gone bankrupt. Trump went bankrupt multiple times!"

Well, they know enough to publish this August 1 NYTimes article about "How to Know When a World Event Could Shock the Market"

The first topic? "Events that slow growth or raise inflation, especially those that alter trade and supply chains, set off the greatest market dips."

And, yes, Trump is doing both. Honestly, probably why they posted the article.

[Odinfrost]

When the "truth" is so big that I have to decrease the size of the webpage to fit it on one screen... and he still needs a second post to finish it off lol

Have you ever seen a whinier person?

CAn I get a TLR
My head hurts too much to read that wall.

[Draco-Onis]

India and China Mend Ties Amid Trump Tariff Threats

Once again Donald Trump is bringing people together...against the United States, India / China relations have been frosty for 5 years due to several border issues even though they are part of BRICS. However here comes Trump bringing them back together both sides are pushing for an accelerated mending of their ties after Trump slapped huge tariffs on India.

[tehdang]

CAn I get a TLR
My head hurts too much to read that wall.

Trump declares victory after the Letitia James case fine is thrown out.

She was triumphantly tweeting out the new amount Trump owes on her Twitter for a bit.

[Calfredd]

Trump declares victory after the Letitia James case fine is thrown out.

She was triumphantly tweeting out the new amount Trump owes on her Twitter for a bit.

A TL;DR from a reputable person if you don't mind.

[tehdang]

A TL;DR from a reputable person if you don't mind.

I’m sure he can sanction the undesirables and doesn’t need your help. If you have an actual opinion or TLDR in addition to trolling fellow forum posters, give it a shot.

[Doomcookie]

I’m sure he can sanction the undesirables and doesn’t need your help. If you have an actual opinion or TLDR in addition to trolling fellow forum posters, give it a shot.

It's pretty weird that you keep trying to blame the Democrats for doing what you have spent years saying you support Trump doing.

Now, some would call that blatant hypocrisy.

Are they incorrect?

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Trump declares victory after the Letitia James case fine is thrown out.

She was triumphantly tweeting out the new amount Trump owes on her Twitter for a bit.

Perhaps you can expound (briefly) on why you happen to be such a big fan of fraud, racism, rape, pedophiles, corruption, bribery, sexual abuse, coercion, and white supremacy.

I have yet to see you even once condemn Trump, the guy you tried to lie about not supporting, for doing or being all of those things. Once can only surmise that your silence on those matters means you must also, in fact, believe those are all very good things.

If you disagree, let me know. If not, just remain silent.

[Gorsameth]

More on Trump's deal with the EU: like everyone thought, it was a failure.



The economics professor says the negotiators failed, but I believe there is another option, just as bad. Trump lied. He never had the $600 billion in the first place. The negotiators could not add it to the deal because the EU never wanted it in the first place. This would absolutely fit if the EU, hearing Trump make up this demand out of nowhere, saying "no, we're not doing that".

Alternatively, the EU trolled Trump and just told everyone else "no, we're backing out of that, we lied to Trump and he believed it." It would not be the negotiators' fault for the EU trolling Trump, of course, but Trump might fire them anyhow. He has a proven history of asking people to do his job for him, and firing people without cause.

So, when Trump said "in exchange for me raising taxes on the American people, the EU will hand over free money" every single carbon-based life form on earth knew he was wrong. We're just dealing with the specifics of how wrong.

Its not so much that the EU doesn't want to invest, tho it probably doesn't. It is that the EU as an institution doesn't do this sort of thing, private companies residing within the European Union invest in the US. And the EU has no control over what companies within its borders invest in.

Hence Trump being sold hot air. I don't think Trump lied per say, he is just to stupid to distinguish between a government body itself investing and the private sector potentially doing so.