Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

It should surprise nobody that Agent Smith is more than prepared for the bullshit charges Trump is trying.

1. This "unprecedented interpretation" of the Hatch Act statute would mean former public officials, merely by seeking reelection, could avoid prosecution.

We are aware of no court decision, prior Office of Special Counsel finding, or other authority interpreting the Hatch Act to prohibit prosecutors from investigating allegations of criminal conduct committed by former public officials or candidates for public office, or prosecuting those cases when the facts and law so dictate. Application of such an unprecedented interpretation of the statute risks interfering with the Department of Justice's ability to investigate and prosecute public officials or candidates for public office. Such an interpretation also cannot be squared with the numerous historical cases that the Justice Department has successfully brought against public officials for wrongdoing.

2. Complaints about page limits, fast-tracked appellate proceedings, and "routine" prosecutorial actions do not a Hatch Act violation make.

For instance, in support of his assertion, Senator Cotton cites such unremarkable examples as Mr. Smith seeking "special permission to exceed the normal maximum page limit," asking for a trial date five months after the indictment, and "moving for an expedited review by the appeals court." These routine actions are consistent with and expected of a prosecutor who is prosecuting a case, and they were subject to court approval.

3. Trump's Jan. 6 judge signed off on Smith's push to prosecute Trump up to and through the election.

The court overseeing the prosecution of President Trump in the District for the District of Columbia reaffirmed this bedrock principle that the justice system is not subservient to politics, repeatedly expressing that President Trump's campaign for President has no bearing on the judicial process: " [T]he fact that [President Trump is] running a political campaign currently has to yield to the orderly administration of justice." […] "I cannot , and I will not, factor into my decisions the effect it's going to have on a political campaign for either side."

4. Trump's selective and vindictive prosecution claims, and complaints about the timing of his prosecutions, failed in court.

In fact, courts have already considered and rejected the premise of Senator Cotton's allegation — that the Special Counsel's prosecutorial actions and their timing had "no rationale except for an attempt to affect the 2024 election results." For instance, one court denied a motion to dismiss that alleged the prosecution was selective and vindictive, explaining that "this case illustrates the hazards of relying solely on the timing of charges," and concluding that "the timing of this case's prosecution 'is evidence only of restraint and careful pursuit of potential investigative leads, not vindictive prosecution,' especially given that 'probable cause [was] found by a grand jury for indictment."

5. Smith followed the Richard Nixon precedent when he requested and did not receive certiorari before judgment on Trump's "absolute immunity" claims at the Supreme Court.

When litigating access to the White House tapes in the investigation of President Nixon, the Special Prosecutor filed a petition for certiorari before judgment, which bypassed the court of appeals and moved the case directly to the Supreme Court from the district court. There, the Supreme Court granted the petition for certiorari before judgment "because of the public importance of the issues presented and the need for their prompt resolution." Mr. Smith merely followed this precedent and pursued the same appellate litigation path established by the Supreme Court 50 years earlier.

I like the first one the most. "You can't prosecute me for my crimes because I just remembered I'm running for office!" doesn't seem like it should work.

[Edge-]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/08...hurch-shooting


https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-...chool-shooting

cool, looking through the AP reporting (NYT paywalled), curiously, i don't see any mention of the shooter being trans despite that being headline news for the NY Post. to Endus point not that it matters, but that's more what i was getting at

[Mayhem]

cool, looking through the AP reporting (NYT paywalled), curiously, i don't see any mention of the shooter being trans despite that being headline news for the NY Post. to Endus point not that it matters, but that's more what i was getting at

nyt archive link

here you go

archive history

[Deus Mortis]

cool, looking through the AP reporting (NYT paywalled), curiously, i don't see any mention of the shooter being trans despite that being headline news for the NY Post. to Endus point not that it matters, but that's more what i was getting at

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...urch-shooting/

2nd video around the 3min mark. Reading through the manifesto it doesn't seem like the shooter had a bad home life, having two parents that actually cared for the shooter. Sad state of America where so many people these days just want to hurt as many innocent people as possible.

[Breccia]

FOX News tries to bury their own headline *ding* based on the difficulty of finding it.

FDA limits new COVID vaccine boosters to high-risk Americans only

"If they are for high-risk Americans, isn't that admission that they work?"

That's probably why FOX News buried the headline.

High-risk groups include older adults over 65 and those who are more likely to develop severe COVID illness.

"Again, why not everyone else?"

He claims it's because doctors are recommending vaccines to make more money. "By the way," he added, "you should pay more for electricity, food, shelter, anything imported, and also we took 10% of Intel."

"If the goal is for doctors to profit, why not let them get sick?"

Because that's not the goal. Doctors don't get much for vaccination, and sometimes even lose money.

"Does RKF also recommend not getting MMR shots?"

I hope not. As much as I blame Trump cultists for trying to destroy the country, I'd rather not see millions of kids with polio because their parents were fuckwads.

[Edge-]

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...urch-shooting/

2nd video around the 3min mark. Reading through the manifesto it doesn't seem like the shooter had a bad home life, having two parents that actually cared for the shooter. Sad state of America where so many people these days just want to hurt as many innocent people as possible.

The person on the video flashed a white supremacy sign, said racial slurs and showed a shirt with a patch of the old Minnesota flag and the phrase, “Do it before the anxiety kicks in.”

i feel like this is where we start popping the popcorn

also continue to not talk about our ongoing failures to provide adequate access to health care/mental health care to society, the effects of the second amendment, or anything else that's actually really relevant even before we have many verified facts beyond

[Deus Mortis]

i feel like this is where we start popping the popcorn

also continue to not talk about our ongoing failures to provide adequate access to health care/mental health care to society, the effects of the second amendment, or anything else that's actually really relevant even before we have many verified facts beyond

Yeah, I have a feeling shit is only going to get worse as this current administration continues to cut funding. A lot of people struggling out there but the current admin doesn't care and just does things that enriches themselves.

[Roneth]

Let's keep the focus where it belongs, that it's so much easier to injure or kill over a dozen children in a church when you have a weapon originally designed to kill human beings.

Let's keep the focus where it belongs, on how it did what all of you keep asking for, fight Trump and the nazis. You guys are all about hatred on this board. You got what you want, well most of you would have preferred if it killed Israeli children. A mentally unstable transgendered shooter cowardly shot children at a school it used to attend as an act of domestic terrorism and hate. It uploaded a video to youtube with a manifesto . Hand written notes can be found here(local Minnesota TV news):

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...urch-shooting/

The end of the second page reads, “I have wanted this for so long. I am not well. I am not right. I am a sad person, haunted by these thoughts that do not go away. I know this is wrong, but I can’t seem to stop myself. I am severely depressed and have been suicidal for years. Only recently have I lost all hope and decided to perform my final action against this world.”

The videos also show the face of Jesus on a shooting target and a stockpile of guns and ammunition adorned with memes, anti-religious phrases and odes to mass murderers.

The person on the video flashed a white supremacy sign, said racial slurs and showed a shirt with a patch of the old Minnesota flag and the phrase, “Do it before the anxiety kicks in.”

The 10 or so names written on Westman’s arsenal alluded to those responsible for the massacres at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, and the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, among others.

Also written on the weaponry were references to the Holocaust and calls for Israel to “fall” and “burn.”

A journal written in what appears to be Cyrillic characters also includes a hand-drawn map of the church. The person in the video also holds a smoke bomb, which police say was used in the attack.

Yes, keep the focus where it belongs. I am sure you will disagree and keep posting hatred along with others on this board. Blame guns and not the mentally unstable who use them to vile ends.

[Edge-]

Blame guns and not the mentally unstable who use them to vile ends.

apparently no other country has mentally unstable people

just the us

TIL

[Draco-Onis]

apparently no other country has mentally unstable people

just the us

TIL

Pay no attention to the billions of dollars cut from mental health by republicans at the state and federal level. According to health secretary worm brain all you need is a hike not trained professionals.

[Gorsameth]

apparently no other country has mentally unstable people

just the us

TIL

Damnit you make me link it again.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
https://theonion.com/no-way-to-preve...-r-1819576527/

[Kaleredar]

Let's keep the focus where it belongs, on how it did what all of you keep asking for, fight Trump and the nazis. You guys are all about hatred on this board. You got what you want, well most of you would have preferred if it killed Israeli children. A mentally unstable transgendered shooter cowardly shot children at a school it used to attend as an act of domestic terrorism and hate. It uploaded a video to youtube with a manifesto . Hand written notes can be found here(local Minnesota TV news):

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...urch-shooting/



The videos also show the face of Jesus on a shooting target and a stockpile of guns and ammunition adorned with memes, anti-religious phrases and odes to mass murderers.

The person on the video flashed a white supremacy sign, said racial slurs and showed a shirt with a patch of the old Minnesota flag and the phrase, “Do it before the anxiety kicks in.”

The 10 or so names written on Westman’s arsenal alluded to those responsible for the massacres at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, and the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, among others.

Also written on the weaponry were references to the Holocaust and calls for Israel to “fall” and “burn.”

A journal written in what appears to be Cyrillic characters also includes a hand-drawn map of the church. The person in the video also holds a smoke bomb, which police say was used in the attack.

Yes, keep the focus where it belongs. I am sure you will disagree and keep posting hatred along with others on this board. Blame guns and not the mentally unstable who use them to vile ends.

If you’re so sure that some random wow fan board is responsible for fomenting the kind of hatred displayed here, wait until you hear about the president of the united states’ hateful rhetoric towards minorities, women, and religious groups. Now compare that to the vastly more prevalent rate of right-wing violence in this country. Or does the president of the United States get a pass for that kind of thing, and all of that statistically observable more prevalent right-wing violence is just, you know… unrelated?

Where’s your condemning screed about that?

Because left-wing people can and do obviously decry a crazed gunman and the guns they were allowed to access.

But you right wing people seem to find it so difficult to. Only the right wing feels the need to deflect from the gun violence when it’s perpetrated by the right because of their unerring love of firearms and need to back the R-team no matter what. You complain in your very post about left-wing rhetoric spurring violence towards “Israelis”, but when a whites supremacists attacks a synagogue you’re completely silent. Is that form of violence towards Jews acceptable so long as a white person did it?

Because it’s just a team sport to you. You want to score points for your team. Don’t go pretending you suddenly have morals, that check won’t cash.

[Edge-]

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/...-18876673.html

President Donald Trump on Monday ordered the National Guard in each state to create a quick-response force to quell protests and deter crime after using troops to assist with security during immigration protests in Los Angeles and patrol in Washington, D.C., as part of a crackdown on crime. He said other cities, specifically Chicago, should be asking him for help.

more explicitly fascist shit

protest is a first amendment protected right

https://www.commondreams.org/news/tr...gilante-portal

Monday's order calls for the creation of "an online portal for Americans with law enforcement or other relevant backgrounds and experience." Agency heads then "shall each deputize the members of this unit to enforce federal law."

surely nothing can go wrong with deputizing randoms that apply online!

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...kennedy-trump/

“We are doing very well,” Kennedy responded. “We will have announcements as promised in September, finding interventions, certain interventions, now that are clearly almost certainly causing autism. And we’re going to be able to address those in September.”

i can't wait for the stupidest possible shit to be announced next month

holy shit these are the most malicious and retarded people alive

[Endus]

Let's keep the focus where it belongs, on how it did what all of you keep asking for, fight Trump and the nazis. You guys are all about hatred on this board. You got what you want, well most of you would have preferred if it killed Israeli children.

Opposing Zionism and genocide is about wanting innocent children to not be killed. The only people pushing for the slaughter of kids is Israel and its supporters. You're projecting your own misanthropy, nothing more.

A mentally unstable transgendered shooter cowardly shot children at a school it used to attend as an act of domestic terrorism and hate. It uploaded a video to youtube with a manifesto . Hand written notes can be found here(local Minnesota TV news):

Why does it matter that they're trans? There's literally no point in bringing that up other than transphobic bigotry.
You don't care about the children. You support the mass slaughter of children in Gaza. You care about driving malicious hate at vulnerable minorities, and you're willing to abuse this story and denigrate the loss of life here to achieve that goal. You're every bad thing you pretend left-wingers are.

[Paetolus]

Let's keep the focus where it belongs, on how it did what all of you keep asking for, fight Trump and the nazis. You guys are all about hatred on this board. You got what you want, well most of you would have preferred if it killed Israeli children. A mentally unstable transgendered shooter cowardly shot children at a school it used to attend as an act of domestic terrorism and hate. It uploaded a video to youtube with a manifesto . Hand written notes can be found here(local Minnesota TV news):

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...urch-shooting/

Not sure why the Israel-Gaza genocide is relevant here. I guess because the shooter was antisemitic? But as you yourself quoted from the article:

The 10 or so names written on Westman’s arsenal alluded to those responsible for the massacres at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, and the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, among others.

I can't imagine a pro-Palestine activist would be a supporter of the mosque shootings in Christchurch. (Let alone any mass shootings.) This was clearly someone who idolized mass shooters and was antisemitic in the neo-Nazi sense.

Yes, keep the focus where it belongs. I am sure you will disagree and keep posting hatred along with others on this board. Blame guns and not the mentally unstable who use them to vile ends.

I'd take the mental health argument from the Right more seriously if they actually legislated with that in mind instead of ending and defunding programs that help individuals with mental health issues. For a recent example, the substantial cuts to Medicaid made in the BBB will adversely effect many individuals with mental health issues.

It's a stupid argument regardless, but at least try to pretend it's a serious one.

[gondrin]

Easy. They'd argue the cop has a gluten allergy, have RFK testify to that, so the bread could've killed him.

I wish I could say I was joking.

Speaking of RFK Jr, the now ex-current head of the CDC has been forced out of their job. This is a person that got nominated on March 13th and got Senate confirmation a month ago.

Reason why? Because they basically wanted to control the CDC and RFK Jr wanted other plans.

Only the best.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...a4fc1bc6&ei=12

[Bwgmon]

-unfettered nonsense-

Hi! Welcome back from whatever hole you were hiding in! I'm sure you'll be gone in 3 or 4 days again considering, from what I'm hearing about what's being discovered on their social media accounts, it sounds like they were a part of 764 (a far-right satanic neo-nazi group) which probably has more to do with them carrying out a mass shooting than what pronouns they used, so I suppose that's a wikipedia page that might be updated soon.

In case y'all want an example of how Robin appears to have conducted themselves online (supposedly they were Officer Gas Mask):



On another note, this remains evergreen:

[gondrin]

This time is probably because the shooters name was Robin. And obviously that's a woman's name in their narrow little minds.

And yet, one of the most famous comedians ever to exist was a one Mr. Robin Williams.

Anyone thinking Robin is a female specific name is an idiot.

[Poopymonster]

I swear we've somehow slipped into the MCU, because she is the spitting image of Valentina Allegra de Fontaine. White striped hair and all.

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Can't wait for them to say he's really an MS-13 kingpin, claiming he threw the #13 combo with Mayo and Swiss at the cop. That's how they know! Just like the 'authentic' tattoos.

With Bacon. He's an anti-semite too!

[Moralgy]

Hi! Welcome back from whatever hole you were hiding in! I'm sure you'll be gone in 3 or 4 days again considering, from what I'm hearing about what's being discovered on their social media accounts, it sounds like they were a part of 764 (a far-right satanic neo-nazi group) which probably has more to do with them carrying out a mass shooting than what pronouns they used, so I suppose that's a wikipedia page that might be updated soon.

In case y'all want an example of how Robin appears to have conducted themselves online (supposedly they were Officer Gas Mask):



On another note, this remains evergreen:

Getting mixed up with hate groups online and becoming a murderer seems to be a link that a few share... na let's blame something else about them that we hate instead.