Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[alach]

He's so sad at not getting an invite, isn't he? lol

The fucker undermined decades and decades of delicate foreign policy and pushed India into China's thankful and open arms within 6 short months. The illiberal Global East is now the world's largest superpower. Trump threatens everyone who believes in freedom and democracy.

[Paranoid Android]

BREAKING: Labor Statistics site suffers outage before crucial August jobs report

https://x.com/axios/status/196394090...mackkafyQ&s=19

JUST IN: U.S. economy adds only 22,000 jobs as labor market stalls

https://x.com/axios/status/196394512...ziq3zt5Pw&s=19

Damn the power outage didn't help or work. So I guess they are not cooking the books?

[Gorsameth]

Bloomberg reports that we should expect 75,000 jobs and 4.3% unemployment from an honest August jobs report.

75,000 sounds reasonable, considering the July report (not yet revised) was 73,000

Incidentally, non-Trump numbers are starting to take the lead already. ADP said 54,000 and Reuters said 65,000.

Layoffs jumped 40%. Unemployment claims are up as well, backing that 4.3% figure.

So, yeah, Trump's getting that rate cut he wanted, at the cost of the country, because inflation is not going anywhere.



Oh, wait. Sorry. Read that wrong.

So about that expected 75.000 jobs.

rofl

[gondrin]

https://x.com/axios/status/196394090...mackkafyQ&s=19



https://x.com/axios/status/196394512...ziq3zt5Pw&s=19

Damn the power outage didn't help or work. So I guess they are not cooking the books?

The bigger story is this:

The government also revised its numbers from earlier in the summer, and said that the economy lost a net 13,000 jobs in June. It was the first such decline since December 2020.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...b4a245e2f&ei=8

[Iphie]

Hey Americans, us dirty foreigners are trying our best to stay out of your politics, but its just so damn hard when you have such hard hitting policy changes coming from the White House.

Trump to sign executive order renaming Pentagon the Department of War

I don't know, did someone ask for this? How's those burger prices?

Department of War was, for many nations, the original name. I agree it sounds a bit....well aggressive.

[Kaleredar]

Department of War was, for many nations, the original name. I agree it sounds a bit....well aggressive.

Empty posturing to make them look tough. Just like everything they do.

[Breccia]

U.S. economy adds only 22,000 jobs as labor market stalls?

So about that expected 75.000 jobs.

So...Trump is either cooking the books by lowering job numbers to, as TheHill put it,

The net result showed the U.S. adding just 106,000 jobs between May and July — just a third of what economists considered the bare minimum number of jobs to keep unemployment stable.

and making things look so dire he gets his rate cuts...or, just spitballing here, the numbers were always real and everything Trump touches dies. Pick one. Neither trait is redeeming.

"Is there a third option, that jobs were actually worse than this and Trump lied to make them look only bad and not catastrophic?"

I don't believe so. I quoted multiple major non-Trump sources expecting slow job growth, nobody predicted negative. Trump might be incompetent, but I'm not ready to say everyone else was off by that much.

I see Trump is already saying "Wait until next year!" which is what I would say if things were this bad.

So who gets to interview former BLS head Erika McEntarfer first? It wasn't CNBC, they got Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick at 8:16AM.

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick predicted that the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ new jobs report Friday would be more accurate because Trump fired former Commissioner Erika McEntarfer last month.

Lutnick made that prediction less than an hour before BLS said job growth stalled out in August.

“I think they’ll get better,” Lutnick told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” after he was asked if people should believe the BLS’ numbers will be accurate.

That’s because “you’ll take out the people who are just trying to create noise against the president,” he said.

“The holdovers from the Biden administration” were “rooting against America and against Donald Trump, and that’s got to end,” Lutnick said in response to another question about whether the Trump administration now considers BLS credible.

“So he can’t replace somebody two weeks ago, and you expect fundamental change, but what you will get is an agency that’s on [Trump’s] side, just trying to do the best and put out the correct numbers,” he said.

So, he's going to purge BLS.

Simply put, Team Trump is claiming that everything bad is Fake News from Biden. As we've all discusses, the BLS job numbers don't come from one person, they come from dozens of people, and they agreed summer jobs sucked saggy flaccid orange dick. Trump will use this report as an excuse to clean house, put rookies in every desk, and then what a coincidence, all the job numbers will suddenly be revised higher - a result no private agency will agree with.

[Mayhem]

No idea where to put this. I do wonder if something comes out of these 100.000 leaked emails.
ehud barak emails

[Breccia]

It's basically authoritarian summit.

And Trump is mad he wasn't invited. Let's all think about what that means.

Also, is Trump so insecure that...HAHHAHAH okay, couldn't finish with a straight face. But really, Trump is complaining that some world leaders got together and talked, and either assumes, or wants people to assume, that means they're all in a big conspiracy against him. Um, Trump goes to meetings with world leaders all the time. He met with Putin, personally, did he forget? I guess this is what happens when you get a TV game show host in the WH, he thinks image is everything.

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Well, the job numbers suck and will suck for at least a month until revisions, fake or real. So what else is going on?

A former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention official accused Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. of lying to senators during a contentious hearing on Thursday and stood by his claim that Kennedy never consulted CDC experts about infectious diseases or their related vaccines, contrary to the HHS chief’s testimony.

Oh...Team Trump lying under oath. That's interesting.

“The head of the health agency for the United States is actually standing before Congress, just continually making things up,” Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, the former head of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said in an interview on CNN’s “The Source” Thursday evening. “He did not tell the truth.”

“He lied to Congress,” Daskalakis added.

Kennedy testified to the Senate Finance Committee earlier Thursday that he had been briefed by “senior vaccine safety scientists” when pressed about whether he consulted CDC experts about the development of new measles, polio, COVID-19 and flu vaccine policies.

“I’m getting briefed by, all the time, by CDC,” Kennedy told lawmakers as they pressed for whether he had consulted with leaders at the embattled agency.

Kennedy specifically named William Thompson, a CDC researcher who has previously voiced skepticism about vaccines, as one person he has consulted.

Daskalakis told CNN’s Kaitlin Collins that Thompson doesn’t work in the related areas, though.

“The person that he mentioned does not work at the immunization center,” he said. “It is not possible that that person briefed him on measles, or on flu, or on polio, or on vaccines, since that individual does not work anywhere in that environment.”

“Again, I don’t know where he’s getting his information, but I just wanted to highlight that that was not true,” Daskalakis added.

HHS didn’t immediately respond to The Hill’s request for comment.

As he's one of the high-ranking CDC people who just resigned in protest, it's likely that not only would he say this under oath in public, but also would testify that people told RFK that vaccines work and RFK ignored/fired them.

Simply put, even the GOP doesn't want its voters to outright die in the streets.

Republican senators are sending clear signs of disapproval and unhappiness with Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr., making it plain to President Trump that they want the administration to address the chaos Kennedy has caused by trying to rewrite the nation’s vaccine policies.

GOP senators have stopped short of calling on Kennedy to resign and haven’t yet said they regret voting for him in February, but they want him to back off efforts to change vaccine policy recommendations without sound scientific backing as the administration faces a growing public backlash.

Kennedy received an unusual admonishment from Senate Republican Whip John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), an orthopedic surgeon, when he testified before the Senate Finance Committee on Thursday.

“I support vaccines. I’m a doctor. Vaccines work,” said Barrasso, the Senate’s No. 2-ranking Republican leader.

“Secretary Kennedy, in your confirmation hearings, you promised to uphold the highest standards for vaccines,” he said. “Since then, I’ve grown deeply concerned.”

Oh, dear, RFK lied twice under oath. I'm beginning to wonder if lying under oath is a requirement to work for Team Trump.

So far, RFK is being allowed to reverse policies that demonstrably save lives, even saving the lives of Florida children that their parents want to die. I wonder how many bodies will have to hit the floor before even the GOP says enough's enough.

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More "fun" news for Trump.

Inflation is rising, but electricity costs are rising faster. Funny how how electricity costs surged after Trump blocked subsidies for clean energy and also promoted AI. It's like there are consequences for his actions, or something.

A recent Consumer Price Index report found that electricity prices were rising at double the rate of inflation, having increased 5.5 percent over the last year.

“In the last couple of years, different items that have gone up in price have become media concerns. They become very visible. People get very angry, and I think electric rates are heading in that direction,” said Mark Wolfe, executive director of the National Energy Assistance Directors’ Association.

Wolfe said that if rates continue to rise, “it’ll become a political issue.”

Trump take eleggtricity!

[SAY HER NAME]

Hiring plans fell to the weakest level for any August on record and intended job cuts mounted amid broader economic uncertainty, according to outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
US-based companies announced in August plans to add 1,494 jobs, the fewest for the month in data going back to 2009. Of the 30 industries tracked by Challenger, hiring plans were concentrated in aerospace and defense, industrial goods and retail.
Announced job cuts jumped from a year ago to almost 85,980 and marked the largest August total since 2020. Excluding the impact of the pandemic, the number was the highest for any August since the Great Recession in 2008.
Thursday’s report bolsters the narrative that the labor market is shifting into a lower gear as many companies temper expansion plans until they get further clarity on the trajectory the economy. US hiring has cooled in recent months, and a government report due Friday is projected to show that trend extended into August.
“September is typically when we begin to see large seasonal hiring announcements, which foretell how retailers expect the holiday season to go,” Andrew Challenger, senior vice president at the firm, said in a statement. “Coming off the lowest August on record for hiring plans, it may be a troubling sign.”
Figures out Wednesday showed job openings fell in July to the lowest level in almost a year. For the first time since 2021, there were slightly more unemployed people than vacancies.

The job market is cooked

https://archive.is/dy3Gf#selection-1449.0-1485.136

Trump must vacate the office. This is the worst job market in my life

[Breccia]

US-based companies announced in August plans to add 1,494 jobs, the fewest for the month in data going back to 2009

Whoa! Not like 2009 was great news, either.

[Moralgy]

The job market is cooked

https://archive.is/dy3Gf#selection-1449.0-1485.136

Trump must vacate the office. This is the worst job market in my life

Conservative policies in action. I'd say this 4 years will be a wakeup call to America but in 8 years they will forget that conservatives ruin the economy every time they get power.

[alach]

And then his agents from his DOJ have the audacity to get in front of the TV cameras to boast how they arrested a couple hundred migrants.
Work paused at Hyundai's US site after hundreds of workers detained in raid

Raid halts construction of major car battery factory
Project is part of biggest investment in state of Georgia
Trump administration ramping up investigations into unlawful employment practices
South Korea calls for its businesses, citizens to be protected

Usually I would simply say, GET WRECKED, and gloat, but this is actually terrifying for the Western Democracies. Trump is continuing to degrade what were American values and a sense of global morality and let russia, and China to leapfrog into the future. I don't want to live under their rules and I'm a straight, white male. I wouldn't even probably connect the two, except the BRICs guys just had an rather fearful show of strength and unity while Europe, Canada, and the few that are left are desperately trying to tie a bandage around a limb trump continues to saw.

[Breccia]

And then his agents from his DOJ have the audacity to get in front of the TV cameras to boast how they arrested a couple hundred migrants.

Surely the company will simply hire a couple hundred American citizens with an appropriate ("living") wage and standard benefits. There are, apparently, quite a few unemployed Americans to pick from. Let's just wait and watch for that to happen! /s

[Belize]

The job market is cooked

https://archive.is/dy3Gf#selection-1449.0-1485.136

Trump must vacate the office. This is the worst job market in my life

Worst job market in your life *so far

[Breccia]

Chuck Todd predicts Trump will throw RFK Jr. ‘overboard’

During an appearance on CNN this week, Todd called Kennedy “easily the most unqualified cabinet sectary,” in Trump’s government.

“There are people at the White House who have been alarmed by Kennedy, and it’s Trump that says, you know, he’s afraid of losing the Kennedy constituency, and he’s just been letting Kennedy go, letting Kennedy go,” he continued. “At some point, this will break, and I do think he throws Kennedy overboard, but, you know, he loves his trophy.”

The former “Meet the Press” host said Kennedy’s name recognition “is the biggest problem they’re running into.”

“There are plenty of people in this White House that know this guy is a disaster,” he continued. “Not just politically, this guy is a disaster for all the reasons we’ve been laying out here.”

I have to admit, "this person is intentionally trying to kill hundreds or thousands of Americans" is a pretty good reason to, well, let's be honest, not hire him in the first place.

Except for Trump.

I will contradict Todd, by the way. Yes, it's Trump's tradition to defend someone up until suddenly he doesn't. But there are three reasons he won't this time.

1) Trump was always an anti-vaxxer. He only claimed to change his mind when he had that massive measles outbreak from 2017 to 2019 that was "cured" by COVID distancing. He pushed ivermectin, swallowing light bulbs, and huffing bleach. He wants the Nobel Prize for Operation Warp Speed even as he has an investigation launched against it.

2) As mentioned above, Trump needs conspiracy theorists onboard. He is losing support and therefore losing Senators and Representatives, who need that support. Trump has no good ideas and no good policies, so all he has is sheer number of followers. He loses that, and he'll be more deflated than, well, than how he looks.

3) Trump has big problems right now, such as being in the Epstein files, being a known child rapist, and raping children. Oh, also, he's destroying the economy and gave up trying to help Ukraine. He's throwing everything he can out there to troll the libs, hoping it will distract them, like paving over the Rose Garden, taking the Kennedy Center, and this Department of War nonsense. Keeping RFK will cause more controversy and more distractions from his real, actual problems, yes problems more important than Florida catching polio.

RFK makes it to 2026.

[Endus]

Conservative policies in action. I'd say this 4 years will be a wakeup call to America but in 8 years they will forget that conservatives ruin the economy every time they get power.

POSIWID. The purpose of a system is what it does.

This isn't an accident or a mistake. This is exactly what conservativism is about, as an ideological system. If you're stupid and gullible enough to fall for bullshit propaganda that claims otherwise, that's on you for being an idiot. If you insist on those lies when presented with the reality (repeatedly, no less), you're a cultist who has serious mental health issues causing you to have a mental break from reality.

America doesn't need a wakeup call, it needs an intervention and for someone to slap the soft cuffs on to keep them from hurting themselves.

I swear to god, the leaded gasoline fumes from the 50s-70s made an entire generation of Americans lose their everfucking minds.

[Edge-]

He's so sad at not getting an invite, isn't he? lol

"we"

Donald and Republican did this.

[gondrin]

2) As mentioned above, Trump needs conspiracy theorists onboard. He is losing support and therefore losing Senators and Representatives, who need that support. Trump has no good ideas and no good policies, so all he has is sheer number of followers. He loses that, and he'll be more deflated than, well, than how he looks.

I'm going to challenge this statement. Because Trump looks as bloated as a whale carcass that is about to explode.

And would smell likely the same as a whale carcass that did explode.

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"we"

Donald and Republican did this.

I like how he thinks that China never worked with Russia. China and Russia have been economic allies for a long while(2001 is when they signed an agreement). Same with India(1992 is when they signed an agreement). Kind of a thing that happens when you share a large land border with someone or are close by to them via land travel. You tend to want to trade with them unless they are attacking you.

[Rasulis]

"we"

Donald and Republican did this.

The fact that Modi is cozying up to China, the country that India is fighting over border dispute, is a testament to the failure of Trump's foreign policy.