Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

I personally suspect that there’s some contamination in the us water supply due to lack/disregard of environmental law, that contributes to the madness Americans have.

I dunno, with all the effort poured into looking for nanomachines son in vaccines and proving the Earth is flat, I'd like to think someone would have found Joker venom in the water. Maybe if we had some kind of federal department of-

Trump administration shuts down EPA's scientific research arm

Nevermind, I think you're probably right.

[Iphie]

I dunno, with all the effort poured into looking for nanomachines son in vaccines and proving the Earth is flat, I'd like to think someone would have found Joker venom in the water. Maybe if we had some kind of federal department of-

Trump administration shuts down EPA's scientific research arm

Nevermind, I think you're probably right.

So...did I miss something or is there an actual flat earther in the government right now? (Keeping in mind that even a kook like Kent Hovind thinks flat earthers are of their rockers.)

[Breccia]

So...did I miss something or is there an actual flat earther in the government right now?

You didn't miss anything. My point (poorly explained) was, that there are tons of people out there who believe some really wild shit, and have access to 21st century tech to go looking for it. Tap water is hardly immune to conspiracy theories (see also: fluoride) so I would expect both sane, rational workers and also nut jobs to look into the contents of tap water routinely. If there was some mysterious poison dumped into it nationwide, I'd expect it to be caught. And we do know about such things as forever chemicals that end up in there, so I think my line of reasoning holds up.

I know of no current Trump official that is a proud public flat Earther, but if I was told there was a closeted one, I'd have some guesses.

[Edge-]

Republicans: If you come here legally there's no problem!

Also Republicans: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...aid-legal-visa

At least one of the Korean workers swept up in a huge immigration raid on a Hyundai Motor factory site in Georgia last week was living and working legally in the US, according to an internal federal government document obtained by the Guardian.

Officials then “mandated” that he agree to be removed from the US despite not having violated his visa.

The document shows that immigration officials are aware that someone with a valid visa was among the people arrested during the raid at the Hyundai factory and taken to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detention for removal proceedings, where the people arrested remained on Tuesday before expected deportation flights back to South Korea.

The document in question reports on the man’s case and was leaked exclusively to the Guardian. It was written by an Ice agent. The Guardian is redacting the identity of the man in question, who arrived in the US in June, because it has not been possible to reach him directly and it is unclear whether he has any legal representation.

Deport all Republicans.

This continues to be why you should never, ever believe Republicans.

This is pointless cruelty that will continue to harm our relationships with every currently friendly ally we have.

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I dunno, with all the effort poured into looking for nanomachines son in vaccines and proving the Earth is flat, I'd like to think someone would have found Joker venom in the water. Maybe if we had some kind of federal department of-

Trump administration shuts down EPA's scientific research arm

Nevermind, I think you're probably right.

So Donald and Republicans are really doing full-steam ahead with the, "If you stop the testing we won't have cases!" mentality on everything.

[Odinfrost]

I personally suspect that there’s some contamination in the us water supply due to lack/disregard of environmental law, that contributes to the madness Americans have.

Naaaah. That can't be it.

Let's also rule out stupidly lax gun regulations (as guns don't kill people, people kill people) and mental illness (because why defund that if it's causing people to go out killing other people).

Other things we can exempt? Being white and rich believing you can pay your way out of everything?

[Breccia]

Let's also rule out stupidly lax gun regulations (as guns don't kill people, people kill people) and mental illness (because why defund that if it's causing people to go out killing other people).

And the combination of the two. Now, the last mass shooter...how silly of me, we have mass shootings every 23 hours. The one the GOP latched onto because of pronouns, they briefly made a big stink about this being a mental illness not a gun issue. Then, forgot to give any mental health solutions, and then forgot that this was a big uproar when it was pointed out over and over that the overwhelming number of mass shootings are done by straight white males. Oh, and that medical help for people costs money and they don't want to pay for it.

You know what else costs money? Funerals.

[Captain N]

You know what else costs money? Funerals.

But you can pay for those with thoughts and prayers. I mean isn't that what we've been doing since Columbine?

[fwc577]

I personally suspect that there’s some contamination in the us water supply due to lack/disregard of environmental law, that contributes to the madness Americans have.

This is such a low IQ take devoid of any critical thought whatsoever. I don't know what country you're from but you do realize there are 340 million people in the US and there is a very large group of all natural, anti-vax, crowd that WILL test everything, including their drinking water, regularly.

Back in the day, America did have problems with lead pipes and lead in gasoline that lead to aggression but ever since some of those environmental regulations were put into place, there has been dramatic declines in the amount of crime in America.

The fact that America is portrayed as some crime capital wild wild west is overblown media bullshit.

[Gorsameth]

This is such a low IQ take devoid of any critical thought whatsoever. I don't know what country you're from but you do realize there are 340 million people in the US and there is a very large group of all natural, anti-vax, crowd that WILL test everything, including their drinking water, regularly.

Back in the day, America did have problems with lead pipes and lead in gasoline that lead to aggression but ever since some of those environmental regulations were put into place, there has been dramatic declines in the amount of crime in America.

The fact that America is portrayed as some crime capital wild wild west is overblown media bullshit.

So you dispute the notion that the US has a mass shooting roughly every day, orders of magnitude more then any other countries outside of possibly some 3e world hellhole?

[P for Pancetta]

So you dispute the notion that the US has a mass shooting roughly every day, orders of magnitude more then any other countries outside of possibly some 3e world hellhole?

I'm sorry but the US is squarely nr1 when it comes to school shootings, there is no competition both in absolute and relative terms. In fact the US has had more school shootings this year then the rest of the world combined.

[Endus]

This is such a low IQ take devoid of any critical thought whatsoever. I don't know what country you're from but you do realize there are 340 million people in the US and there is a very large group of all natural, anti-vax, crowd that WILL test everything, including their drinking water, regularly.

Back in the day, America did have problems with lead pipes and lead in gasoline that lead to aggression but ever since some of those environmental regulations were put into place, there has been dramatic declines in the amount of crime in America.

The fact that America is portrayed as some crime capital wild wild west is overblown media bullshit.

Let's just look at intentional homicide rates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate
These are all per 100,000 inhabitants. I'll include the year, since these aren't always from the same year.

UK: 1.148 (2021)
Norway: 0.725 (2023)
Japan: 0.233 (2022)
Israel: 1.626 (2022)
Canada: 2.273 (2022)

Yes, Canada's is relatively high. However, let's get to the USA;

USA: 5.763 (2023)

More than double Canada's, more than four times the UK's. The USA is a violent country, and has higher criminal violence rates than the rest of the developed world. That's just a statistical fact. It's higher than many developing countries. Sure, there are nations out there with bigger problems, but the only one of them that's a major global power is Russia. And they're not that much higher at 6.799.

[Gorsameth]

I'm sorry but the US is squarely nr1 when it comes to school shootings, there is no competition both in absolute and relative terms. In fact the US has had more school shootings this year then the rest of the world combined.

I was just covering my bases against "ehm actually in sudan..." or whatever.

[tehdang]

So you dispute the notion that the US has a mass shooting roughly every day, orders of magnitude more then any other countries outside of possibly some 3e world hellhole?

Trump never gets away with declaring an emergency and sending in the national guard to DC if the country wasn't aware of big city crime. Also, for that matter, soft-on-crime prosecutors that come up every time a person arrested several times reoffends.

But this came up from "I personally suspect that there’s some contamination in the us water supply." So maybe you also think such high rates of mass shootings point to some kind of environmental contamination? Also, do you intend to echo Trump's shithole country comment when you refer to "possibly some 3e world hellhole?"

[Kaleredar]

Trump never gets away with declaring

Lemme stop you right there.

Why would Trump not get away with it?

Who is materially stopping him?

Is it the Supreme Court that he put in place? No.

Is it the Congress lead by the party he’s the leader of? No.

“Trump is doing something and is getting away with it, therefore there must be a good reason” is bafflingly stupid reasoning. Well, stupid or dishonest, take your choice.

an emergency and sending in the national guard to DC if the country wasn't aware of big city crime. Also, for that matter, soft-on-crime prosecutors that come up every time a person arrested several times reoffends.

Damn shame those reoffenders who you’re blaming gun crime on are allowed to have guns and/or the system is so lax with gun control that they can easily procure them with nonexistent oversight.

But this came up from "I personally suspect that there’s some contamination in the us water supply." So maybe you also think such high rates of mass shootings point to some kind of environmental contamination?

Their suggestion isn’t that environmental pollutants are causing people to commit gun violence, their suggestion is that environmental pollutants are causing people to become idiots willing to vote for republicans who maintain a strict “do nothing” policy about gun violence.

Also, do you intend to echo Trump's shithole country comment when you refer to "possibly some 3e world hellhole?"

You don’t have a problem with the leader of the
Republican Party tossing it out about any nation that personally displeases him, why do you have a problem with a random internet poster saying it about a country with an eroding economy, rampant gun crime, and an unraveling system of governance?

[Jtbrig7390]

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You support a Nazi Pedophile so fuck off MAGA Nazi.


Infracted.

[Edge-]

Trump never gets away with declaring an emergency and sending in the national guard to DC if the country wasn't aware of big city crime.

i'm not sure what the fuck this is supposed to mean but this is a weird lie

Also, for that matter, soft-on-crime prosecutors that come up every time a person arrested several times reoffends.

i'm sure you'd be shocked to know that hard-on-crime prosecutors often prosecute folks who go on to reoffend too

again "i don't defend trump and his policies" but you defend trump and his policies at every turn, reinforcing why one should never trust or believe republicans/conservatives no matter how politely you lie

[Breccia]

It's okay when Trump does it!

No, it isn't. And you're hiding behind a few scattered hypotheticals because you refuse to talk about Putin, refuse to talk about MASSIVE election fraud, refuse to talk about the economy, and refuse to talk about your child-fucking terrorist god.

You're a coward, a troll, and a traitor. Your lack of opinion is handwaved.

[tehdang]

Lemme stop you right there.

Let me know if you want to take up the political aspects to this.

Damn shame those reoffenders who you’re blaming gun crime on are allowed to have guns and/or the system is so lax with gun control that they can easily procure them with nonexistent oversight.

I'm well aware that lefties immediately go to gun control when the weapon used was a gun. Especially when they can't blame extremist right-wing rhetoric for the crime.

I should add here that "the system is so lax with gun control" is regularly criticized as "gun control laws are ineffective at keeping criminals from having guns, but are effective at hindering law-abiding citizens from obtaining guns."

Their suggestion isn’t that environmental pollutants are causing people to commit gun violence, their suggestion is that environmental pollutants are causing people to become idiots willing to vote for republicans who maintain a strict “do nothing” policy about gun violence.

I read "the madness Americans have," so please link me if the original poster elaborated.

You don’t have a problem ...

Let me know if you want to take up calling certain nations "3e hellhole[s]" versus Trump going with "shitholes" and how they are similar or different.

You support a Nazi Pedophile so fuck off MAGA Nazi.

I'm aware that many posters attended the "Fuck Off" school of political discussion (and I've been reliably informed that this is not flaming, non-constructive, or trolling). So I can only say that I don't personally consider this a constructive contribution, and I hope in future that you can present political arguments aimed outside of personal attacks on the individuals arguing it.

i'm not sure what the fuck this is supposed to mean but this is a weird lie

I don't know what this is supposed to mean, as you don't understand it but you do understand that it's a lie.

i'm sure you'd be shocked to know that hard-on-crime prosecutors often prosecute folks who go on to reoffend too

It's tough to reoffend while incarcerated. The backlash is a reaction to light sentences that put criminals back on the streets after each offense.

[Breccia]

Remember Michael Wolff?

During an interview with MeidasTouch, a Donald Trump biographer shared “Epstein’s explanation” for why the disgraced financier’s friendship with Trump ended.

The biographer, Michael Wolff, claimed the trouble stemmed from “a real estate betrayal,” and recalled a series of events he said that Epstein told him personally.

“In 2004, Epstein believed himself to be the high bidder on a piece of real estate in Palm Beach - a house,” Wolff said. “$36 million was his bid. He took his friend, Trump, to see the house, to advise him on how to move the swimming pool.”

After the meeting, Wolff claimed that Trump “went around Epstein’s back” to bid $40 million and secure the property for himself.

“Epstein, who was acquainted, in fact deeply involved, with Trump’s scattered finances, understood that he didn’t have $40 million to pay for this house,” Wolff said.

As a result, Epstein was “furious” and believed that Trump received the money from a Russian oligarch — the same Russian oligarch who would purchase the home from him for $95 million less than two years later, per Wolff’s account.

“This is all a red flag of money laundering,” he said.

Yep. The current evidence is that the split between Trump and Epstein had nothing to do with Trump being upset at child abuse...has he even hinted that?...or that Trump was an FBI informant. Trump used dirty Russian money to "kill steal" a property. That was the rift.

Trump was so selfish that not even a serial child sex slaver could stomach him.

"He doesn't have any proof!"

Well, the real estate records would clean that up in a hurry. Oh, and Wolff has over 100 hours of recordings of Epstein.

"He's lying!"

He's released portions.

"He's still lying! I refuse to believe there is proof just because someone says they have it!"

Where are Trump's taxes?

"Uh..."

Where was Trump's replacement for the ACA? Where was Infrastructure Week? Where was his plan to end the Ukraine war? You voted for Trump because he said he had all of those. So, clearly, you do believe it. You're just choosing to believe an objectively proven serial liar, not the prize-winning biographer that Trump sat down with for multiple interviews to be recorded on purpose.

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Let me know if

please link me

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I hope in future that you can present

ARK ARK ARK *flaps flippers together*

Disingenuous posting. You, of all people, have no right to demand others provide a source. Shame on you, coward.

[Mayhem]

It's tough to reoffend while incarcerated. The backlash is a reaction to light sentences that put criminals back on the streets after each offense.

Yep, the problem is the US incarcerates not enough people. Do you ever use your brain?