Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Gabriel]

Planning a political assassination means you either believe you can get away with it, which suggests some type of disorder for sure (the intrinsic belief that they can get away with crime makes all criminals at least to some extent distressed mentally) or means you believe that killing said person is worth your own freedom and possibly life.

First of all, the belief that you are the special person who gets away with it makes you a moron, not necessarily mentally ill.

Secondly, you don't think believing that killing someone even if it costs you your life when you believe that they are a threat to your family is something a non-mentally ill person could do?

[Nymrohd]

First of all, the belief that you are the special person who gets away with it makes you a moron, not necessarily mentally ill.

Secondly, you don't think believing that killing someone even if it costs you your life when you believe that they are a threat to your family is something a non-mentally ill person could do?

I really think we are going very much off topic here. You are generalizing away from the planned political assassination. The majority of examples are people who were radicalized and paranoid. Also killing someone like Kirk is not really removing a threat. It at best is reducing it. That's the difference between a political assassination and the murder of an abuser or small number of abusers. I can make a logical argument that killing a specific person who abused me or mine will stop said abuse. I cannot make the same argument for killing a politician who promotes such abuse because it is rarely one person alone, there is no good reasoning that the abuse will stop or even lessen.

[Mayhem]

Planning a political assassination means you either believe you can get away with it, which suggests some type of disorder for sure (the intrinsic belief that they can get away with crime makes all criminals at least to some extent distressed mentally) or means you believe that killing said person is worth your own freedom and possibly life.

And you have a study or something from a medical journal that backs your argument or are you just making this up as you go?

Criminals rarely commit a crime if they think they will get caught, most of their planing goes into not getting caught. Having a broken moral compass doesn't make one mentally ill, if that was the case half the world if not more would be mentally ill. Which going by sheer number would mean they are actually the mentally sound and everyone with a functioning moral compass was mentally ill.

[Nymrohd]

And you have a study or something from a medical journal that backs your argument or are you just making this up as you go?

Criminals rarely commit a crime if they think they will get caught, most of their planing goes into not getting caught. Having a broken moral compass doesn't make one mentally ill, if that was the case half the world if not more would be mentally ill. Which going by sheer number would mean they are actually the mentally sound and everyone with a functioning moral compass was mentally ill.

Over a billion people are mentally I'll according to WHO and about half of us will experience an instance of mental illness through our lives. Mental illness is simply illness.

I will add links later, I don't manage well when posting from my phone. The instance rate of mental illness was from a coordinated study, I read it on a Harvard article.

[Flarelaine]

not to tread too closely on forbidden topics, but there's another possible connection that IMO gets far too little attention.
look at countries where the culture and government are heavily influenced by abrahamic religion ideology and then look at countries where violence is predominant.
that venn diagram is basically just a circle.

Explain India's lynch mobs.

I think you can drop Abrahamic and just focus on religion.

[Mayhem]

Over a billion people are mentally I'll according to WHO and about half of us will experience an instance of mental illness through our lives. Mental illness is simply illness.

That's not backing your argument, that's just random information.

[Flarelaine]

Since Charlie Kirk has his own thread, please keep discussion related to his demise there.

[postman1782]

Did you see a peace loving democrat blew off Charlie Kirk’s head? @Endus the violence you love?

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Infracted.

Prove it was a democrat.

[Gabriel]

I really think we are going very much off topic here. You are generalizing away from the planned political assassination. The majority of examples are people who were radicalized and paranoid. Also killing someone like Kirk is not really removing a threat. It at best is reducing it. That's the difference between a political assassination and the murder of an abuser or small number of abusers. I can make a logical argument that killing a specific person who abused me or mine will stop said abuse. I cannot make the same argument for killing a politician who promotes such abuse because it is rarely one person alone, there is no good reasoning that the abuse will stop or even lessen.

Making mistakes in one's logical arguments doesn't make one mentally ill.

Kirk was objectively causing harm to people by preaching sexist white supremacy ideals. Whether killing him was objectively the most logical way of protecting people from that sexist white supremacist rhetoric doesn't make a damn difference whether one had to be mentally ill to kill him. It is literally just about the set of values the shooter personally held.


Edit: posted on mobile before I could see mod warning.

[alach]

Dems over performing every where, even unpopular, the people would rather vote blue than deal with more trump horseshit.

Democrats trim House deficit to 6 with Virginia special election win


Democrats are doing better than ever in Trump-era special elections

Democrats are overperforming former Vice President Kamala Harris' 2024 margin in special elections across the United States.

Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chair Ken Martin told Newsweek the party is "committed to building infrastructure and power across the country and that starts with these critical November elections."

Kiersten Pels, a Republican National Committee spokesperson, told Newsweek that Democrats are "more unpopular today than they have been in over 30 years."

Why It Matters
Democrats are hoping to retake control of the House of Representatives and Senate in the 2026 midterm elections and are increasingly optimistic about the chances of a 2018-style "blue wave" fueled by President Donald Trump's diminishing approval rating.

Special election results, some of which have seen Democrats overperform Harris by 50 points or more, are fueling this optimism. Although special elections are not necessarily predictive of how the midterms will go, Democrats see these results as showing a highly motivated base amid Trump's second term in office.

What to Know
Tuesday night delivered Democrats their latest overperformance in Virginia's 11th Congressional District. Democrat James Walkinshaw won the special election to replace the late Congressman Gerry Connolly by roughly a 50-point margin in the Fairfax County-based district.

from newsweek

[Ivanstone]

Explain India's lynch mobs.

I think you can drop Abrahamic and just focus on religion.

People don't need religion to be shitty. A lot of them boil down to believe in our sky god and be an asshole to your neighbours. A lot of the time its lipservice to the former while completely ignoring the latter.

[P for Pancetta]

Since the Americans seems to have forgotten, it's on us Europeans now to never forget.

[Breccia]

The inflation report for August is in.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics released the latest reading of the consumer price index earlier today.

Here are the major takeaways from the report:.

Overall YoY: +2.9%, in line with expectations and up from +2.7% in July

Overall MoM: +0.4%, up from +0.2% in July

Core YoY: +3.1%, in line with expectations and flat from July's rate

Core MoM: +0.3%, flat from July's rate

Market reaction: Stocks flattened and Treasuries rallied after the CPI release and a report that showed a jump in jobless claims.

What it means for interest rates: Traders are upping their bets on 3 rate cuts this year.

Obviously "inflation rose for four straight months" is bad news for consumers. Trump, despite complaining about inflation, is reversing a downwards trend and specifically, directly, and personally raising the prices of goods through unilateral action. Trump either failed, or lied, or both.

What makes it worse is everyone predicted this. "In line with expectations" is a polite way of saying "we knew Trump was lying, or would fail, or both." Inflation is higher now than the election.

"But Biden-"

Biden was elected during an inflation upswing, caused by COVID spending. That trend reversed during his watch. Trump is doing the opposite. He came in during a massive drop in inflation, and is pulling it back upwards. And everyone said he would do that.

[gondrin]

I'm wondering how long it's going to be until they start trying to equate Kirk with Martin Luther King, Jr and demanding a holiday in his honor.

The difference being that MLK made the US a better place in his fight against racism in the South, fighting to get things like the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act passed and the world was made a worse place when he was assassinated by a racist conservative Southerner.

Charlie Kirk, meanwhile, was Charlie Kirk.

Oh, I expect it. Right now, this is some of Trump's remarks from his 4 minute live address or some things during the address that he talked about.

“For years, those on the radical Left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.”

Trump cited as evidence of this the assassination attempt on him in Butler, Pa., in July 2024, recent attacks on ICE agents, the 2017 shooting of then-House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and “the vicious murder of a health care executive in the streets of New York,” in a reference to the fatal shooting last December of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

"We will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country."

“Charlie was the best of America, and the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country, an assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed because together, we will ensure that his voice, his message and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come.”

[Flarelaine]

Other thread, please.

[Paranoid Android]

The inflation report for August is in.



Obviously "inflation rose for four straight months" is bad news for consumers. Trump, despite complaining about inflation, is reversing a downwards trend and specifically, directly, and personally raising the prices of goods through unilateral action. Trump either failed, or lied, or both.

What makes it worse is everyone predicted this. "In line with expectations" is a polite way of saying "we knew Trump was lying, or would fail, or both." Inflation is higher now than the election.

"But Biden-"

Biden was elected during an inflation upswing, caused by COVID spending. That trend reversed during his watch. Trump is doing the opposite. He came in during a massive drop in inflation, and is pulling it back upwards. And everyone said he would do that.

Reading that Fed will cut rates. Idk why since the supposed reaction is to raise or keep them same if inflation rises. As you stated this was response to Biden when inflation was effecting us, so idk what gives. Admittedly Biden's was higher and spiked faster so far.

Also quickly the Dow and S&P is rallying on rates cause of course. Likely they are trying to do one last robbery on lower rates before the economy really goes to shit.

[Breccia]

Reading that Fed will cut rates. Idk why since the supposed reaction is to raise or keep them same if inflation rises.

Trump is raising inflation, but the damage he's doing to jobs is worse. The Fed has to do both. This is one of those classic moral choice systems where neither path is correct, but at least you get to save one of them.

[Edge-]

This crosses threads so I'll post here - https://www.thedailybeast.com/jd-van...e-last-minute/

Vice President JD Vance pulled out of a ceremony commemorating the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks in New York City on Thursday.

Instead, Vance and second lady Usha Vance will travel to Salt Lake City to pay respects to the family of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, a source familiar with the plan told The Washington Post. Kirk, a close friend of Vance, died at the age of 31 on Wednesday after he was fatally shot during an event at Utah Valley University.

Ah yes, 9/11 is notoriously less important than one persons death.

He could have made both events, he does have a private plane and all. But he's making his priorities clear.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/co...f_soldiers_on/

And Secretary of Alcoholism Drunk Hegseth decided to grab some video of him, for some reason, lecturing bored looking soldiers about Charlie Kirk and Christianity because he's a Christofascist fuckwit and also a piece of shit human being.

Maybe Charlie breaks this administrations brains.

[Nymrohd]

Trump is raising inflation, but the damage he's doing to jobs is worse. The Fed has to do both. This is one of those classic moral choice systems where neither path is correct, but at least you get to save one of them.

I would add, it is the choice of the US Fed to act on a dual mandate of managing both inflation and unemployment. Most central banking systems acknowledge unemployment but having a single mandate of managing inflation. I'd say the US Fed has had the privilege and responsibility of doing both largely because of dollar dominance and in the long term maintaining a dual mandate may be untenable.

[Rasulis]

Reading that Fed will cut rates. Idk why since the supposed reaction is to raise or keep them same if inflation rises. As you stated this was response to Biden when inflation was effecting us, so idk what gives. Admittedly Biden's was higher and spiked faster so far.

Also quickly the Dow and S&P is rallying on rates cause of course. Likely they are trying to do one last robbery on lower rates before the economy really goes to shit.

The prospect of the Fed cutting rates was not the only factor driving the market. We also saw some record-breaking revenue reports. Primarily in the AI industry. Oracle stock skyrocketed 43% yesterday. The stock has moderated, but still up 33% from where it was on Tuesday.

BTW, did you check BLS first time unemployment claim number? Or black unemployment number?