Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

To follow @Shadowferal in "court sck of Trump lies"

Grand jury throws out case where heavily armed ICE troopers in armor and machine guns claim they were attacked by protestors.

Incidentally, the two charged with felonies had legal, permitted guns, and ICE claimed they were lightly shoved when ICE ordered legal First Amendment protestors to disperse.

Remember, a grand jury asks if there is enough evidence for a case to even go to trial. They said "no" meaning the charges were bullshit.

i also like that folks in chicago are driving around following ice. not interfering or anything, just letting folks know what unmarked rental vans ice is driving around in and shit.

[Corvus]

The weaponisation of the justice system continues, with Letitia Jones criminally indicted.

https://bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9n4xj904o

[postman1782]

The weaponisation of the justice system continues, with Letitia Jones criminally indicted.

https://bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9n4xj904o

Assigned to the same judge as Comey's case, will get tossed.

[PACOX]

Trump and the idiots who follow him must think simply filling a case means someone is guilty. Well unless you are Trump then it's a grand political conspiracy.

[s_bushido]

Trump and the idiots who follow him must think simply filling a case means someone is guilty. Well unless you are Trump then it's a grand political conspiracy.

They think that presumably because every time Trump and his cronies are charged, they're actually guilty. So they don't know what it's like for a political figure to be brought up on spurious charges.

[alach]

Today is the day trump hopes to get his Nobel prize, I assume, and I don't want to diminish the achievement but before the blowhard takes every drop of credit, here's some reality;

The president and his team rallied unanimous regional and majority-Muslim state support behind this plan, helping to further isolate Hamas, while also pressuring Israel to accept its terms. Last Friday, the president threatened Hamas again with obliteration if it refused to accept the plan and then called on Israel to stop military strikes after Hamas responded with an equivocal yes.
This was good diplomacy backed by the application of power, incentives, and deadlines. And it appears to have worked.

Yes, this framework builds on what was developed in the Biden administration and intended to be Phase 2 of the January deal, but credit where it is due: Trump and his team, led by Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, stood in the face of critics and events to forge a deal that saves lives and may end this awful war, together with a pathway towards longer term peace. That alone is an achievement worth celebrating.

In the Biden administration, US Central Command developed plans for an interim international security force inside Gaza. US forces would not be in Gaza but would provide logistical and other forms of support from Egypt and elsewhere.
These plans are likely being dusted off now, and several countries have reportedly offered forces for the interim security structure. But building such a security coalition also takes time, and in that time, Hamas will likely seek to reassert its authority, even if quietly though the intimidation of Gazans.

Thus, it’s critical that the US move rapidly to lock down troop commitments and establish the command structure and rules of engagement for this interim phase. Failure to do so might forfeit the promise of the present moment and increase risks of the war reigniting.

France and the UK pursued their own initiatives to recognize a Palestinian state without asking anything from Hamas, the Palestinians, or Israelis. Hamas hailed that approach, and many in Congress at the same time lined up behind legislation to cut military aid to Israel.

from CNN

Net favourability towards Israel reaches new lows in key Western European countries

At the negotiations yesterday, there were delegations from Qatar, Turkey, and several others.

And lastly, something that has never happened before,

As of September 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 157 of the 193 member states of the United Nations (UN), or just over 80% of all UN members. It has been a non-member observer state of the UN General Assembly since November 2012.

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Once again, trump's "team" did a good job with this, and I give them credit, but this was a multi-party effort from a lot of fronts. We still don't know anything about Phase two, and this is nowhere near Peace in the Middle east, Israel just bombed there way into a new generation of Jihadists that will form a movement in 20ish years from now.
I'm posting this here instead of the Israel thread, because its Friday, Nobel peace prize day, and trump is going to make it all about himself.

[Fugus]

Um…. Trump didn’t do shit to get Palestine recognized by the UN except for maybe let Israel go so ham on them that they shocked the UN by the atrocities committed enough to want to do something about it as it is turning the public sentiment against Israel in the process.

I mean, that is a level of 4D Chess that Trump isn’t capable of. And the odds of Israel sabotaging the a peace deal is substantial as is them putting poison pills or just refusing to honor anything after the fact and all.

Not much I can think of to give Trump credit for as what did he actually do to facilitate any real peace agreement that wasn’t the same shit he did with the afghan withdrawal and we remember the impacts of that when the rubber hit the road.

Edit: and there is 0% chance this stops unless it actually includes a full Israeli withdrawal to their own borders that is enforced afterwards or we will just end up with a repeat in the next 10 years again for the exact same reason.

[tehdang]

Um…. Trump didn’t do shit to get Palestine recognized by the UN except for maybe let Israel go so ham on them

Arguably the only reason that Hamas is accepting a peace deal in principle right now.

Not much I can think of to give Trump credit for as what did he actually do to facilitate any real peace agreement that wasn’t the same shit he did with the afghan withdrawal and we remember the impacts of that when the rubber hit the road.

The afghan withdrawal will be remembered as a Biden failure that led to the death of 13 American servicemembers. It's ultimately the president in office that gets the credit or the blame for a final troop withdrawal, as we saw with Biden's choice to change Trump's initial planned date of departure. If Biden had left Trump's second administration with other executive commitments, it's ultimately up to Trump to change or renegotiate them if he disagrees.

Edit: and there is 0% chance this stops unless it actually includes a full Israeli withdrawal to their own borders that is enforced afterwards or we will just end up with a repeat in the next 10 years again for the exact same reason.

It's close to zero percent chance that Hamas refrains from terrorist attacks on coalition or Israeli forces before the final phase of the deal is implemented. If by some miracle Hamas decides to comply with a ceasefire and disarmament through all phases, Israel is gone from Gaza.

[Fugus]

And everyone here knows the post above me is a crock of shit across the board… same as always…

[DarkTZeratul]

Arguably the only reason that Hamas is accepting a peace deal in principle right now.

"The Palestinian genocide is ending because Trump let Israel genocide them as hard as they wanted for nine months until Hamas finally caved" is not remotely a good thing and does not deserve even a single ounce of credit. But there's a thread for the Israel/Palestine conflict, and it's not this one, so that's all I'm gonna say on the matter.

The afghan withdrawal will be remembered as a Biden failure that led to the death of 13 American servicemembers. It's ultimately the president in office that gets the credit or the blame for a final troop withdrawal, as we saw with Biden's choice to change Trump's initial planned date of departure. If Biden had left Trump's second administration with other executive commitments, it's ultimately up to Trump to change or renegotiate them if he disagrees.

And the fact that Trump negotiated said withdrawal with the Taliban, and not with the Afghani government, had nothing at all to do with it, I'm sure.

[alach]

Um…. Trump didn’t do shit to get Palestine recognized by the UN except for maybe let Israel go so ham on them that they shocked the UN by the atrocities committed enough to want to do something about it as it is turning the public sentiment against Israel in the process.

I mean, that is a level of 4D Chess that Trump isn’t capable of. And the odds of Israel sabotaging the a peace deal is substantial as is them putting poison pills or just refusing to honor anything after the fact and all.

Not much I can think of to give Trump credit for as what did he actually do to facilitate any real peace agreement that wasn’t the same shit he did with the afghan withdrawal and we remember the impacts of that when the rubber hit the road.

Edit: and there is 0% chance this stops unless it actually includes a full Israeli withdrawal to their own borders that is enforced afterwards or we will just end up with a repeat in the next 10 years again for the exact same reason.

Guess my formatting was wrong there, didn't mean to give credit to the administration for the world recognizing Palestine, meant it as another reason this peace deal was achieved without trump.

[tehdang]

"The Palestinian genocide is ending because Trump let Israel genocide them as hard as they wanted for nine months until Hamas finally caved" is not remotely a good thing and does not deserve even a single ounce of credit. But there's a thread for the Israel/Palestine conflict, and it's not this one, so that's all I'm gonna say on the matter.

Moderator action prevents me from debating the topic of genocide in this thread. If this changes, I'll respond.

And the fact that Trump negotiated said withdrawal with the Taliban, and not with the Afghani government, had nothing at all to do with it, I'm sure.

I would've hoped that the speed of the collapse of non-Taliban afghani resistance in the Biden administration would stop you from trying this tack, but apparently I am wrong. Maybe a topic for another thread: Failed Trump negotiations, and Biden's failure to correct.

[DarkTZeratul]

I would've hoped that the speed of the collapse of non-Taliban afghani resistance in the Biden administration would stop you from trying this tack, but apparently I am wrong. Maybe a topic for another thread: Failed Trump negotiations, and Biden's failure to correct.

So your argument is "Trump made a shitty Afghani withdrawal deal, Biden followed through with it, and predictably shitty things happened, ergo it's Biden's fault"?

[Shadowferal]

Hm..
Odd detail in Trump’s medical checkup announcement sends health fears soaring

"So in Trump world, a ‘routine yearly checkup’ is twice a year. Got it. I’m sure no one in the media would dare follow up & ask why Trump drags his right leg, has a droopy mouth, slurs when he speaks, has the attention span of a gnat & wears leg braces under his parachute pants."

Trump won't make 2028 . . .The Orange Corpse is having his yearly checkup seven months early, a fourth said. Another questioned: "Why does Trump need another "yearly" checkup after 6 months?? What's wrong with his health?"

I wonder at the deadpool..

[DarkTZeratul]

Hm..
Odd detail in Trump’s medical checkup announcement sends health fears soaring

"So in Trump world, a ‘routine yearly checkup’ is twice a year. Got it. I’m sure no one in the media would dare follow up & ask why Trump drags his right leg, has a droopy mouth, slurs when he speaks, has the attention span of a gnat & wears leg braces under his parachute pants."

Trump won't make 2028 . . .The Orange Corpse is having his yearly checkup seven months early, a fourth said. Another questioned: "Why does Trump need another "yearly" checkup after 6 months?? What's wrong with his health?"

I wonder at the deadpool..

I will laugh so hard if Biden outlives Trump.

[Dontrike]

Hm..
Odd detail in Trump’s medical checkup announcement sends health fears soaring

"So in Trump world, a ‘routine yearly checkup’ is twice a year. Got it. I’m sure no one in the media would dare follow up & ask why Trump drags his right leg, has a droopy mouth, slurs when he speaks, has the attention span of a gnat & wears leg braces under his parachute pants."

Trump won't make 2028 . . .The Orange Corpse is having his yearly checkup seven months early, a fourth said. Another questioned: "Why does Trump need another "yearly" checkup after 6 months?? What's wrong with his health?"

I wonder at the deadpool..

Can we start a deadpool? I'll put up $50 if he dies in 2027.

[alach]

Can we narrow the odds? Dates and causes? I'd put my money on a collapse of trump's mental state, and here is 10 minutes of my evidence by Seth Meyers.



This sounds morbid, but I got a strong suspicion that bookies in New York have been doing it for awhile now.


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Super duper important update!!!!
Lets all say it together.
Better Luck Next Time, trump.

Nobel Peace Prize 2025 live: Venezuela’s Maria Corina Machado wins

(now watch him lash out in a rage and give the go ahead to kill more Gazans and Ukrainians. Half-jk)

[Gorsameth]

Can we narrow the odds? Dates and causes? I'd put my money on a collapse of trump's mental state, and here is 10 minutes of my evidence by Seth Meyers.


This sounds morbid, but I got a strong suspicion that bookies in New York have been doing it for awhile now.

You can't bet on the collapse of Trumps mental state.

That already happened a decade ago.

[Breccia]

Arguably the only-

Still no comment on Trump's dictatorial behavior.

Still no comment on Trump's claims of "MASSIVE" election fraud.

Still no comment on, let's face it, the vast majority of things Trump has done since taking office that have specifically and directly hurt the country and economy for no gain.

Your continued declaration, by your silence, that you accept, support, and approve of Trump's actions will be quoted as such.

[En Sabah Nur]

https://xcancel.com/atrupar/status/1...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
These people are dangerously retarded and will continue to get people killed.

Interesting way to phrase that. They're going to "make" the evidence

Honestly thought this was some AI shit at first...

Super duper important update!!!!
Lets all say it together.
Better Luck Next Time, trump.

Nobel Peace Prize 2025 live: Venezuela’s Maria Corina Machado wins

He's tried to act nonchalant about it a few times, but he desperately wanted it. What a darn shame.