Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Al Gorefiend]

a fair point!
one unfortunately undermined by the fact you totally ignored the part where i once again clarified for the simple-minded that i wasn't denigrating the idea of protest, just questioning whether or not this one in particular was going to have any impact.
if you screech that i'm a doomer who calls protests pointless and then respond to every post where i clarify that i don't think protest is pointless with another reply claiming i think protest is pointless, there comes a point where there's no longer a leg to stand on that this is my fault.

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alright i'll engage with this, let's take a look at this:
you gate-keeping whether or not someone can have an opinion based on whatever arbitrary criteria you decide is required doesn't strike me as super compelling, so you're going to have to put a bit more work in to convince me of that.
and while you're correct that nobody cares about my reasons for anything, i would somewhat flippantly ask if you've ever read this subforum before... nobody cares about anyone's reasons for anything.

maybe don't reply to my posts if you don't like them, i'm not holding a gun to your head and forcing you to click reply.

If you didnt vote you don't get to complain about the current state of things.

Thats what people told me, and I rolled with it, so I am not complaining about things.

The logic is there and simple.

[Elder Millennial]

Why doesn't he just tariff cocaine? He tariffs everything else!

/sarcasm

Unironically...that ...coupled with some strict government quality control programs and derived revenue being used on management would probably be one of the most effective and revolutionary drug crisis management programs.

Sadly...it's not stupid enough for this administration to dabble in. Perhaps if Colombia elected a far right libertarian like Milei...

[zorkuus]

Unironically...that ...coupled with some strict government quality control programs and derived revenue being used on management would probably be one of the most effective and revolutionary drug crisis management programs.

Sadly...it's not stupid enough for this administration to dabble in. Perhaps if Colombia elected a far right libertarian like Milei...

This could all be solved with a bribe plane or something.

[Malkiah]

If you didnt vote you don't get to complain about the current state of things.

i consider that a farcical lie, one i cynically suspect is perpetuated by idiots based on the assumption that enough morons using faulty logic makes something self-evidently true.
i utterly reject this lunacy in its entirety.

I am not complaining about things.

i'm not complaining about things either.
a couple pages back captain N said the protest was massively successful, and i asked him to define what goal he was using for measuring that success, and i questioned whether republicans crying on fox news about the protests was a "win" in any sort of material capacity.

this whole digression is really just another in a long series of sad instances of there being a handful of people on this forum who do not demonstrate an ability to respond well to their orthodoxy being questioned and who will utterly ignore points being made in a post so they can whine endlessly about something completely unrelated.

[PhaelixWW]

Is Vance a queen? There can't be two kings.

Hey, don't be a bigot; even royals can be gay.

Can you tell us americans: why is the official WH account posting this shit? The rest of the world demands a sane answer.

The rest of the world is going to be disappointed with a long wait if they insist on a sane answer in the next 3 years.

[fwc577]

so once again, you reply to me and demonstrate you have no concept whatsoever of what you're replying to. i don't think you've once ever managed to have an honest and accurate response to a single post of mine you have ever quoted.

i do not think protests as a concept are worthless, but i do think that this protest in particular won't have any impact on the state of things because it wasn't really a protest so much as a nationwide rally for solidarity.
i can think protests are great and also think that one event in particular will not be effective at accomplishing any sort of political goal.

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fwc577 in all their glory, everyone - this is the level of discourse they choose to represent themselves with.

Cry about it. When you have something relevant to say, you can get another reply. Until then, I won’t respond to a single piece of retarded bs in your posts from here out.

[Poopymonster]

The *NYPD* is bragging that they had a hundred thousand protesters and made zero arrests.

The Philly one was quite spirited but peaceful.
I can't say the same if ICE decides to roll in.
I mean, these were the people who threw batteries at SANTA CLAUS.

[Gabriel]

i consider that a farcical lie, one i cynically suspect is perpetuated by idiots based on the assumption that enough morons using faulty logic makes something self-evidently true.
i utterly reject this lunacy in its entirety.

Well it made Trump president.

[Corvus]

Dementia Don's has a phone call with pootie and is suddenly sprouting pootie's talking points again.

His handlers should have learnt by now not to let him talk to anyone.

[Paranoid Android]

An artillery shell fired during 250th anniversary celebration of the Marine Corps at Camp Pendleton on Saturday detonated prematurely over Interstate 5, damaging a California Highway Patrol vehicle on JD Vance's security detail

I was told closing the highway by Newsom was overreacting. Nothing to see here, it's safe people. The main reason Newsom closed was for gawkers who would slow down traffic more than the hyperbolic shell hitting a car. Damned if this didn't almost happen tho from shrapnel.

I will link this which has 2 pics of shrapnel: https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.../3m3lcoolty222

[Malkiah]

Well it made Trump president.

sorry how's that now? we must be cross talking about two different things here, because what you posted makes no sense as a response to what i meant in the thing you quoted.

the thing i was calling a farcical lie is the claim that if you don't vote you're not allowed to have an opinion.
i have to assume you don't think there's a connection between that idea and trump being elected, but i've been surprised plenty of times by the nonsense folks around here believe.
but giving you the benefit of the doubt here that we're having a miscommunication.

[Edge-]

An artillery shell fired during 250th anniversary celebration of the Marine Corps at Camp Pendleton on Saturday detonated prematurely over Interstate 5, damaging a California Highway Patrol vehicle on JD Vance's security detail

I was told closing the highway by Newsom was overreacting. Nothing to see here, it's safe people. The main reason Newsom closed was for gawkers who would slow down traffic more than the hyperbolic shell hitting a car. Damned if this didn't almost happen tho from shrapnel.

I will link this which has 2 pics of shrapnel: https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.../3m3lcoolty222

holy shit roflmao i hope california has some standing to sue the pants off of the feds for this dumbass intimidation stunt

[PhaelixWW]

holy shit roflmao i hope california has some standing to sue the pants off of the feds for this dumbass intimidation stunt

"Defund the marines" incoming.

[Rozz]

Yall, tone it back down. No need to get overly snippy with each other.

[Tech614]

sorry how's that now? we must be cross talking about two different things here, because what you posted makes no sense as a response to what i meant in the thing you quoted.

the thing i was calling a farcical lie is the claim that if you don't vote you're not allowed to have an opinion.
i have to assume you don't think there's a connection between that idea and trump being elected, but i've been surprised plenty of times by the nonsense folks around here believe.
but giving you the benefit of the doubt here that we're having a miscommunication.

Refusing the vote is refusing to exercise your opinion for meaningful cause.

You can have an opinion, it's just your opinion doesn't matter.

And it's not just about voting for the president, it starts at a local level on up. Never partaking in political voting doesn't mean you can't have an opinion, it means your opinion is irrelevant at the political level because how is a government you approve of or like more ever going to come into power by you sitting on your hands and just complaining on the internet about it?

[Corvus]

In the continuing efforts to Make Argentina Grest Again, Trump says they may buy Argentinean beef to drive down prices of beef in the US. You know, the prices that according to him were already low due to tarrifs.

https://apnews.com/article/beef-arge...9c3623f901209a


Bet US ranchers are going to love that..

[Captain N]

In the continuing efforts to Make Argentina Grest Again, Trump says they may buy Argentinean beef to drive down prices of beef in the US. You know, the prices that according to him were already low due to tarrifs.

https://apnews.com/article/beef-arge...9c3623f901209a


Bet US ranchers are going to love that..

Trump supporting farmers taking it in the backside again. The question becomes - Will Trump bail them out again or will more money be sent to Argentina and Israel?

[Edge-]

maybe farmers are much more of the "please spit in my mouth" kinda people than we've given them credit for?

[Tech614]

Bet US ranchers are going to love that..

They deserve that. They where all about Trump trying to force other countries to import US Beef even while demand was outweighing supply in the US. You know why? Cause that makes them more money, at the cost of american consumers.

You reap what you sow.

[Malkiah]

Refusing the vote is refusing to exercise your opinion for meaningful cause.

i disagree with that as a blanket assertion because several conditions of that sentence ring false to me.
it certainly can be true in some instances, but i don't accept it as a universal truth.

You can have an opinion, it's just your opinion doesn't matter.

interesting. i would find it absolutely fascinating if you could go into your view for how the cause-and-effect chain on that works, specifically with regards to how one arbitrary action can manifest an opinion mattering or not.
i'm also starting from the perspective that no opinion "matters" other than on the merits of itself, so it's a pretty long jump of faith to me even for the sake of conversation that any discussion can legitimately be cut off by just unilaterally declaring one side isn't allowed to have thoughts on a given subject.

i'm really not trying to start an argument with you here, you quoted me and made an assertion that i disagree with, but i fully grant you the right of having that opinion and of explaining, if you care to.

how is a government you approve of or like more ever going to come into power by you sitting on your hands and just complaining on the internet about it?

it isn't, but my view is that participating in an obligatory ritual that cannot change things is no different materially from not participating in an obligatory ritual that cannot change things. both of them are wankery, and i don't see any difference between them.