Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Fugus]

man, i really do hate to quibble here over a pretty minor semantics thing, but i feel really compelled to push back against this.
i don't think trump came and made them feel comfortable with the mask off, i think trump came along because they had gotten comfortable with the mask being off, and trump is just what happens when the mask is off.

True enough. I feel more like we can split the difference on this one.

The voters lost their minds and start hanging effigies of Obama from trees and setting them on fire and going racist as well while the politicians moved some but still tried to have a sheen of civility to them even as they pushed for horrible things to hurt the black man in office.

Then Trump came along and owned them in the primaries saying out loud what they only hinted at and got away with it his entire first term showing them they can just overwrite one scandal with another and just ignore stuff at which the point the politicians felt comfortable enough to take that mask off even more.

Now, they have barely even a thread of that mask in place and are a hair away from speaking like a racist, sexist, conspiracy theorist, cosplay Christian Stifler.

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Sure. Slow. Like...

...decades, right.

Because at various points, Democrats would succeed somewhat in pushing back against the threat.

We can quibble about "stopped", but I mean "stopped short of their ultimate goal", which I take to include stalling it out to decades giving time to mount a more effective defense and waiting for those aging conservative boomers to just phase out of US politics.

Even before Trump their plan was to ultimately just cut it entirely or reduce it massively for those coming into the systems while their base who was already collecting was grandfathered in.

Their end game was the same, they just didn’t want to take the blame which they will now own.

Trump is a monster, but the case is he didn’t corrupt the Republicans at all, they were already this, he just got them to let the mask slip off.

If the Republicans wanted to stop any of this, they could. They just won’t.

[Malkiah]

Sure. Slow. Like...

...decades, right.

Because at various points, Democrats would succeed somewhat in pushing back against the threat.

We can quibble about "stopped", but I mean "stopped short of their ultimate goal", which I take to include stalling it out to decades giving time to mount a more effective defense and waiting for those aging conservative boomers to just phase out of US politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate

there is a regressive political project currently in the works in the US to reshape society into a christofascist authoritarian hellscape.
this project is generational, and these people while not exactly "patient" in the traditional sense are relentless.
the transition from the republican party being soulless monstrosity ghouls to the republican party being fanatical death cult lunatics started in the mid 80s and more or less wrapped up around 2010 or so.
trump was their baby steps, the new movement flexing its muscle and finding out what kind of change it could put out into the world.
this train has gone and fully derailed, you're gonna see this kind of shit from them get so much worse in the next 15-20 years.

[PhaelixWW]

Trump is a monster, but the case is he didn’t corrupt the Republicans at all, they were already this, he just got them to let the mask slip off.

I never once, not even a little, said that Trump corrupted the GoP, nor did I ever claim that the goals weren't nearly the same (and the difference is mostly in Trump's need to feed both his greed and narcissism, so it's just "extra").

I just said that Trump was worse because he didn't allow the stalling mechanisms that career politicians usually do. He actually decided to do the horrible things that the deplorables all want to see happen, but rarely like speaking about openly.

He both capitalized on and pushed forward this current brand of fascist bigot populism to its highest form.

[gondrin]

holy shit roflmao i hope california has some standing to sue the pants off of the feds for this dumbass intimidation stunt

I just love the fact that it involved the same person who wanted it in the first place. JD "Sofa fucker" Vance.

[Fugus]

Yeah, definitely expect it to get worse even after Trump.

They know this is their last chance to lock anything in as the younger generations have largely rejected them and unless they go full Taliban on education, religion, women and minorities like yesterday they will never get it.

So expect them to use every lever they’ve got to push it and lock in any gains they can. And these are people who would rather burn this nation to the ground than watch it succeed in a way that proves them wrong. There are “religious” people who would rather rein in hell than serve in heaven to use their own sayings.

[gondrin]

I never once, not even a little, said that Trump corrupted the GoP, nor did I ever claim that the goals weren't nearly the same (and the difference is mostly in Trump's need to feed both his greed and narcissism, so it's just "extra").

I just said that Trump was worse because he didn't allow the stalling mechanisms that career politicians usually do. He actually decided to do the horrible things that the deplorables all want to see happen, but rarely like speaking about openly.

He both capitalized on and pushed forward this current brand of fascist bigot populism to its highest form.

Eh, I put most of the blame right on Congress. Because they could put a stop to it at any point in time. Granted, Trump is at fault for everything he is doing but, much like the sheriffs/police not running into a school after a school shooter that is actively causing harm to children, Congress could easily put a stop to it. They have as much blame in this as the person causing the act. Congress, for all intents and purposes, has no issue with Trump doing what he is doing because most of the majority party wants it to happen.

Everyone with 2 eyes and a half-working brain could see that Trump was going to do exactly what is going on. The GOP, up until Trump, actively wanted to do what Trump is doing but do it behind the scenes so they don't take blame for it as Fugus has said.

[Fugus]

I never once, not even a little, said that Trump corrupted the GoP, nor did I ever claim that the goals weren't nearly the same (and the difference is mostly in Trump's need to feed both his greed and narcissism, so it's just "extra").

I just said that Trump was worse because he didn't allow the stalling mechanisms that career politicians usually do. He actually decided to do the horrible things that the deplorables all want to see happen, but rarely like speaking about openly.

He both capitalized on and pushed forward this current brand of fascist bigot populism to its highest form.

Understood, my point is that outside of the Tarrifs, there wasn’t much he was pushing for that the entire party wasn’t already pushing for.

The difference is he didn’t try and hide it to pretend he wasn’t doing it and just did it while making sure the world knew.

He got it done sooner which they like but also forces them to own it which they spent decades trying to avoid accepting that blame in the public mind.

He is worse though, I agree. But the silver lining is that they can’t deny this is what they wanted when they are in full control and could stop it all at any time.

The Tarrifs, they shut down, ICE, they could stop any of it in a day or two if they wanted. They just choose not to because this is what they have wanted and worked for and set the stage for for decades.

The courts was a multi decade effort from McConnell just to legislate from the bench to help set the stage for stuff like this. He just didn’t want someone like Trump to be the one using it. But still chose he would rather have Trump doing it than removing him and actually fixing stuff.

[Breccia]

There is a viral post going around that MSNBC used footage from a 2017 rally and claimed it was for the 2025 rally. Big surprise: Some Guy On Twitter was lying.

I think you'll find this link here

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2...s-protest.html

the same link I shoved in my Alabama relatives' faces, will handle the rest. The guy on Twitter who lied use the 2025 rally twice, and claimed MSNBC used 2017 twice. Problem is, the 2017 rally was in a different part of the park, and there are satelite images of both. Plus, of cousre, dozens of national and local news agencies were filming Boston and showed a packed crowd.

[Valdhammer]

Yeah, definitely expect it to get worse even after Trump.

They know this is their last chance to lock anything in as the younger generations have largely rejected them and unless they go full Taliban on education, religion, women and minorities like yesterday they will never get it.

So expect them to use every lever they’ve got to push it and lock in any gains they can. And these are people who would rather burn this nation to the ground than watch it succeed in a way that proves them wrong. There are “religious” people who would rather rein in hell than serve in heaven to use their own sayings.

Another thing people need to realize is that “after Trump” will only happen when Trump dies or when he himself decides to cede power to someone else. There will not be another Democratic president in a generation. Maybe when dust settles on 2026 people will start to realize that we have had our last free election in 2020.

[Elder Millennial]

Another thing people need to realize is that “after Trump” will only happen when Trump dies or when he himself decides to cede power to someone else. There will not be another Democratic president in a generation. Maybe when dust settles on 2026 people will start to realize that we have had our last free election in 2020.

Basically this.

Honestly I don't expect the US to have a peaceful transfer of power again before the late 2030's or mid 2040's. People forget just how long the likes of Putin, Orban, Chavez/Maduro etc have been in fucking power.

Putin's been power for 25 years.

Orban has been in power for 15 years.

Chavez/Maduro have been in power for 26 years.

If Trumpism ends up having the staying power of either Putinism or Chavism...we are all well fucked until the 2050's.

[Kaleredar]

Another thing people need to realize is that “after Trump” will only happen when Trump dies or when he himself decides to cede power to someone else. There will not be another Democratic president in a generation. Maybe when dust settles on 2026 people will start to realize that we have had our last free election in 2020.

Well Thankfully Trump is a senile old man in poor health. He’s not a “young” plucky dictator in his 50s or 60s like so many other authoritarians are.


And if you’re saying all elections are basically pointless now, you might as well start practicing armed rebellion, no?

[Captain N]

And if you’re saying all elections are basically pointless now, you might as well start practicing armed rebellion, no?

Out of morbid curiosity how long do you think it will be before the regime starts banning the ownership of firearms? If we take Vlad's comment that we've seen the last free election in 2020 and that Trump will stay in power for as long as he wants to, exactly how long before those 2A loving farmers who just lost their soybean and likely their beef sales start going after the person who caused it? We've already had Trump say during his first term to just take the guns and figure it out later.

[Kaleredar]

Out of morbid curiosity how long do you think it will be before the regime starts banning the ownership of firearms? If we take Vlad's comment that we've seen the last free election in 2020 and that Trump will stay in power for as long as he wants to, exactly how long before those 2A loving farmers who just lost their soybean and likely their beef sales start going after the person who caused it? We've already had Trump say during his first term to just take the guns and figure it out later.

They lack the administrative tact to do so in any way that doesn’t wind up with a lot of those 2a gun nuts shooting whomever comes to take their guns.

I find it far more likely that they don’t want to stir the pot with their own otherwise-loyal base and rely on the fact that left-wing people are as a whole either gun-averse or too well-mannered to use them violently or as a threat.

[Edge-]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...y/86789658007/

Thousands of Alaskans won’t be able to return home for at least 18 months after Typhoon Halong slammed remote villages along the state’s western coast last weekend, destroying the area’s infrastructure, Alaska Gov. Mike Dunleavy warned in an Oct. 17 letter to President Donald Trump.

Dunleavy, a Republican, asked the White House in the letter for a major disaster declaration that would allow federal funding for what’s expected to be a monthslong recovery effort from the storm.

Well, Alaska did vote for Donald.

I'm sure they'll be thrilled with his leadership and swift support of Americans impacted by natural disasters.

(kek)

*now in the correct thread

[Elder Millennial]

Out of morbid curiosity how long do you think it will be before the regime starts banning the ownership of firearms? If we take Vlad's comment that we've seen the last free election in 2020 and that Trump will stay in power for as long as he wants to, exactly how long before those 2A loving farmers who just lost their soybean and likely their beef sales start going after the person who caused it? We've already had Trump say during his first term to just take the guns and figure it out later.

You vastly underestimate how easy it is to channel those specific idiots against the people Trump hates.

Trump will throw massive cash subsidies at the farming sector. Then he will blame "the globalist democrats" for the troubles in the farming sector, and those guns will be swiftly pointed at the "coastal elites".

[Edge-]

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[Elder Millennial]

Out of morbid curiosity how long do you think it will be before the regime starts banning the ownership of firearms? If we take Vlad's comment that we've seen the last free election in 2020 and that Trump will stay in power for as long as he wants to, exactly how long before those 2A loving farmers who just lost their soybean and likely their beef sales start going after the person who caused it? We've already had Trump say during his first term to just take the guns and figure it out later.

They don't need to take people's guns. As we've already seen from the ICE fiasco. They just need to practice selective law enforcement. Shoot some left wing protesters? Self defense. Pardons. No prosecution.

Shoot one right winger, send in the fucking army.

Trump might die tomorrow, Trumpism will persist.

[Paranoid Android]

Oh SCOTUS about to do some shit here...

Supreme Court will review gun law that was used to convict Hunter Biden

The Supreme Court has agreed to decide the constitutionality of a longstanding federal law banning possession of guns by anyone who illegally uses or is addicted to drugs.

It’s the same law that Hunter Biden was convicted of violating last year. He was pardoned by his father, former President Joe Biden, before he was sentenced.

It was a dumb law or crime when they tried to link Hunter with this, but shockingly pro-gun Republicans who want anyone to be able to buy a gun was all sudden for this law.

Going to luv this ruling where I'm betting the 2nd Amendment will all sudden be protected.

[Edge-]

Oh SCOTUS about to do some shit here...

Supreme Court will review gun law that was used to convict Hunter Biden



It was a dumb law or crime when they tried to link Hunter with this, but shockingly pro-gun Republicans who want anyone to be able to buy a gun was all sudden for this law.

Going to luv this ruling where I'm betting the 2nd Amendment will all sudden be protected.

lmao more guns for druggies!

[Kaleredar]

You vastly underestimate how easy it is to channel those specific idiots against the people Trump hates.

Trump will throw massive cash subsidies at the farming sector. Then he will blame "the globalist democrats" for the troubles in the farming sector, and those guns will be swiftly pointed at the "coastal elites".

The tariffs have created problems too deep for just throwing money at people to really even bandaid, let alone “solve.” Every industry in the US is being hit, from soybeans to beef to manufacturing to tourism. Is trump bailing out… everyone?