Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Tech614]

You say they've wanted to do it for decades... but they haven't, because something always stopped them.

Reagan destroyed black communities, started the destruction of the american middle class, started the destruction of all of our social safety nets implemented following the great depression and started trying to skirt around voting rights to keep the disenfranchised from voting.

Oh my sweet naive baby boy, they absolutely did it before Trump, the only difference is they didn't get up on a podium and brag about it.

[Edge-]

Oh my sweet naive baby boy, they absolutely did it before Trump, the only difference is they didn't get up on a podium and brag about it.

Before they'd say, "States rights."

Now they just outright say,

"We want to disenfranchise Black voters who vote Democrat and deny them representation. Intentionally."

It's a lot more words, but at least they're finally being honest about it.

[Gorsameth]

why would they bother doing that though when they can and will continue winning elections legitimately? especially given that the broader US regressive political project doesn't specifically require them to be in majority power? (i mean obviously it helps, but it doesn't need to be the case all the time).

shit like gerrymandering and logistical vote suppression i'd consider just par for the course for regressives, and also those things are allowed under the setup in the US.
but an outright takeover of the election process or large scale subversion... i have trouble seeing the advantage there since they have pretty good odds of legitimately winning a given election.

of course, i also thought they'd never be stupid enough to actually overturn roe v. wade because of how useful it was for slurping up donations and drumming up election enthusiasm, so i suppose you can never tell what you're going to get when you have religious fanatics in power.

Try what Trump does in France and the country will literally be on fire from protests within a week.

[Belize]

What an apt metaphor:

Teardown of the Whitehouse has begun.
All for what's going to end up being a gaudy and fugly ballroom. 250 million in taxpayer money. But hey, Trump isn't taking his 400K salary, look how much he's saving the country !


Fucking cunts.

[Edge-]

What an apt metaphor:

Teardown of the Whitehouse has begun.
All for what's going to end up being a gaudy and fugly ballroom. 250 million in taxpayer money. But hey, Trump isn't taking his 400K salary, look how much he's saving the country !


Fucking cunts.

no money for social safety net programs

but donald gets to cover the white house in gold and build a ballroom and puppykiller gets a pair of private jets and really tell us more about how republican voters seemingly have a humiliation fetish

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by the way

have any republicans commented on the president posting an AI video of himself dropping shit on americans other than speaker dick, who just call it a joke but didn't say what the punchline was?

just wondering what the standards for "acceptable presidential behavior" are so that i can keep them in mind moving forward

i guess the press secretary sending

"your mom"

as an official response is also precedent given that republicans seem unconcerned with gender-bent goebbels constant dishonesty and hostility towards the press

man, so many new precedents that republicans will have to shut the fuck up about because they're the ones that established them

[Elder Millennial]

Try what Trump does in France and the country will literally be on fire from protests within a week.

That theory about the French will be put to test if someone like LePen wins the elections.

France didn't have a proper right wing authoritarian in power since Vichy France. DeGaulle flirted with it in the late 60's and got close but eventually backed down after losing a referendum on a constitutional reform, but notably he never even considered rigging elections.

Liberals, left or right might be responsive to protests ...but a fascist like LePen...that's to be seen.

[Draco-Onis]

That theory about the French will be put to test if someone like LePen wins the elections.

France didn't have a proper right wing authoritarian in power since Vichy France. DeGaulle flirted with it in the late 60's and got close but eventually backed down after losing a referendum on a constitutional reform, but notably he never even considered rigging elections.

Liberals, left or right might be responsive to protests ...but a fascist like LePen...that's to be seen.

LePen cannot run maybe as a shadow member but not on the ballot and too much has been made of LePen's position though she aligns with a lot of right wing if you look into her policies they are very left wing. The politics of France are far more complicated than America's, the current reason France is in chaos is due to the centrists ignoring election results to maintain the status quo. Macron has been the worse thing to happen to French politics in a long time, he is pretty universally hated but refuses to relinquish power.

French democracy is far more robust than America's, it would take Herculean levels of effort to even attempt what Trump is doing.

[Elder Millennial]

LePen cannot run maybe as a shadow member but not on the ballot and too much has been made of LePen's position though she aligns with a lot of right wing if you look into her policies they are very left wing.

1. Which is why I said "someone like LePen". As in an actual fascist.
2. Her policies are not left wing. Her stated policies are POPULIST. What her stated policies and what her real policies would be are two completely different things. But knowing the average French voter, they might just vote for ethnic cleansing and the restoration of the Catholic Church as a branch of the state in exchange for 1 less weekly work hour and a pension rise and call that "leftist".

[Edge-]

https://www.chp.ca.gov/news-alerts/n...atrol-vehicle/

Initial CHP announcement of their findings after a marine shell damaged one of their vehicles -

The California Highway Patrol (CHP) published an internal report on an incident that occurred on Saturday, October 18, in which metal shrapnel from explosive ordnance fired over the Interstate 5 freeway detonated overhead prematurely, striking and damaging a CHP patrol vehicle. The incident happened in the area where CHP officers were supporting a traffic break along I-5 near Camp Pendleton during an exceptional U.S. Marine Corps live-fire training demonstration over the freeway, and where the CHP had elected to stop traffic during the live-fire exercise.

“This was an unusual and concerning situation,” said CHP Border Division Chief Tony Coronado. “It is highly uncommon for any live-fire or explosive training activity to occur over an active freeway. As a Marine myself, I have tremendous respect for our military partners, but my foremost responsibility is ensuring the safety of the people of California and the officers who protect them.”

Although no injuries were reported, CHP personnel immediately notified the Marine Corps at the scene, who then canceled firing additional live ordnance over the freeway, and the area was swept for further evaluation. The CHP has filed an internal report on the incident, with a recommendation to conduct an additional after-action review into the planning, communication and coordination between federal, state, and local government around the event on Saturday, October 18, to strengthen protocols for future demonstrations and training events near public roadways.

Because as noted: This seems like another rushed Trump-job.

Given that, is it a surprise that one of the rounds exploded...prematurely? Didn't a certain adult film star have some comments on that matter some while ago?

[PhaelixWW]

no money for social safety net programs

but donald gets to cover the white house in gold and build a ballroom and puppykiller gets a pair of private jets and really tell us more about how republican voters seemingly have a humiliation fetish

It's a real "let them eat cake" moment.

That's just Trump acting like a queen more than a king, I guess.

[Paranoid Android]

@Belize already posted, but xtra commentary.

I think for some reason the demolition and building of a ballroom onto the White House is my breaking point. The idea that any President can just do major reconstruction or change w/o Congress approval is a Wtf moment. It's literally called The People's House.

So my next President (if) who is a blue haired, Transgender, black/latino, Communist can build a the Lenin/Marx/Moa wing for the people?

The White House insists it does not need approval from the National Capital Planning Commission for the demolition work, only for new construction. The commission is responsible for approving construction work and major renovations to government buildings in the Washington area. Its chairman is Will Scharf, who also is the White House staff secretary and a top aide to Trump.

The commission has not approved the construction and it was unclear whether the White House had submitted the ballroom plans to the agency. The commission’s offices are closed because of the government shutdown.

My goodness, their argument is they don't need approval for demolition. So that will be good to here when (if) the next Democrat President elected please tear this down. I might be a single issue voter here that they have to run on "I will personally bulldoze this mother* down".

Nice loophole that since government shutdown the commission can't approve none of this. But again, eff it cause you know they are going to do this no matter what.

Remember Trump is saying this all private donations

Here is a link to all the people who donated to destroying the White House: https://bsky.app/profile/aozorasf.bs.../3m3o35oq3q22h

A Few:

Amazon
Apple Inc.
Google
Meta Platforms Inc.
Microsoft Corp.

Etc., etc.

[Kaleredar]

@Belize already posted, but xtra commentary.

I think for some reason the demolition and building of a ballroom onto the White House is my breaking point. The idea that any President can just do major reconstruction or change w/o Congress approval is a Wtf moment. It's literally called The People's House.

So my next President (if) who is a blue haired, Transgender, black/latino, Communist can build a the Lenin/Marx/Moa wing for the people?

The White House insists it does not need approval from the National Capital Planning Commission for the demolition work, only for new construction. The commission is responsible for approving construction work and major renovations to government buildings in the Washington area. Its chairman is Will Scharf, who also is the White House staff secretary and a top aide to Trump.

The commission has not approved the construction and it was unclear whether the White House had submitted the ballroom plans to the agency. The commission’s offices are closed because of the government shutdown.

My goodness, their argument is they don't need approval for demolition. So that will be good to here when (if) the next Democrat President elected please tear this down. I might be a single issue voter here that they have to run on "I will personally bulldoze this mother* down".

Nice loophole that since government shutdown the commission can't approve none of this. But again, eff it cause you know they are going to do this no matter what.

Remember Trump is saying this all private donations

Here is a link to all the people who donated to destroying the White House: https://bsky.app/profile/aozorasf.bs.../3m3o35oq3q22h

A Few:

Amazon
Apple Inc.
Google
Meta Platforms Inc.
Microsoft Corp.

Etc., etc.

My only qualm is that it would cost taxpayer money to tear down whatever gaudy thing Trump throws up and then even more money to rebuild what he had torn down. In the grand scheme of things probably not much money, but democrats don’t tend to operate in the theater of “abject pettiness” like Trump does. The single most “petty” thing we’ve seen Dems do in a good long while is newsom’s move to district California, and even that’s being done pending voter approval and in direct response to the republicans unilaterally redistricting Texas to disenfranchise minorities.

[Paranoid Android]

My only qualm is that it would cost taxpayer money to tear down whatever gaudy thing Trump throws up and then even more money to rebuild what he had torn down. In the grand scheme of things probably not much money, but democrats don’t tend to operate in the theater of “abject pettiness” like Trump does. The single most “petty” thing we’ve seen Dems do in a good long while is newsom’s move to district California, and even that’s being done pending voter approval and in direct response to the republicans unilaterally redistricting Texas to disenfranchise minorities.

Again, this is privately funded, if you take Trump's word. Even taxpayer money this is about being able to make major changes to any "intuitional" government building on a whim. The Trump precedent of him doing what he wants with no checks is crazy, this in someone way the worst case for representation.

but democrats don’t tend to operate in the theater of “abject pettiness”

Yes this is great but I swear have this Institutionalist, we are civil and above them is why we are getting our ass kicked. I read here and other places of "what about the rules?" and Trump says "Fuck It". Don't people understand we are getting trucked right now.

The theatre of Day 1 My Transgender, Black/Latino President wearing their Zhongshan suit (Mao's suit) bulldozing this to the ground is what needed. Why da fuck would you keep that up forever as a testament to this fascist?


@Endus

This is what we are dealing with. That somehow the Left/Liberals have to follow the law and don't dare upset the boat. Letting a fascist change a government building and immediately admitting defeat is frustrating. I know you have the same feelings.

[Fugus]

Here is what I hope for, they get this arch built with Trumps statue at the top. The moment the Democrats gain power, they take this precedence to remove the statue at the top and replace it with a statue of Obama or, if the thought of a black man is still too much, replace him with FDR who actually made America great with all the policies Trump and the Republicans hate and removed us from greatness when they destroyed them.

Then take the statue of Trump and move it to a museum that goes into great detail about his rapes and connections to Russia, Israel, and Epstien, how he damaged the nation and failed at basically everything he ever did and how the Republicans sold out their nation and their child’s at his alter because he preached their hatred was somehow a virtue.

[Endus]

@Endus

This is what we are dealing with. That somehow the Left/Liberals have to follow the law and don't dare upset the boat. Letting a fascist change a government building and immediately admitting defeat is frustrating. I know you have the same feelings.

Like I said; protests are Step 1. The No Kings got 2% of the population out, history says you need closer to 3.5% to hit a tipping point for social non-violent revolution. Anyone satisfied with the No Kings protests as if that's all you need to do is not someone interested in meaningful change.

And part of that action is civil disobedience. Which isn't just saying "fuck off, pigs!" to cops and ICE and shit, it's a lot more. It means actions that could land you in jail. If you're not willing to risk that, you're not that invested in resisting the regime. As I've said before, there's a historical term for German citizens who didn't resist against the Nazi Reich like that. And that word is "Nazi". It's the Oskar Schindlers and such that we lionize, those who actually did something, not the useless hand-wringers who thought it was terrible but didn't want to do anything, whether out of apathy or fear.

The American "left" aren't off course to that goal. Yet. But the protests were Step 1. It's time for Step 2. And Step 2 isn't "maybe, more protests?" If the regime doesn't cave, you need to follow through on the threat. Or the threat's meaningless. Maybe that's a general strike like they're talking in Illinois, maybe something else. There needs to be action, and that's action's going to cost you. Freedom has a price, and that price only rises the more of it you give away.

However, on a greater note, the White House is just a fuckin' house. We burned it down once for you, and you built it back from that, it'll recover from Trump's bullshit, too. Putting too much emotional investment into material symbols like that won't ever be helpful.

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Here is what I hope for, they get this arch built with Trumps statue at the top. The moment the Democrats gain power, they take this precedence to remove the statue at the top and replace it with a statue of Obama or, if the thought of a black man is still too much, replace him with FDR who actually made America great with all the policies Trump and the Republicans hate and removed us from greatness when they destroyed them.

Then take the statue of Trump and move it to a museum that goes into great detail about his rapes and connections to Russia, Israel, and Epstien, how he damaged the nation and failed at basically everything he ever did and how the Republicans sold out their nation and their child’s at his alter because he preached their hatred was somehow a virtue.

Really, a lesson that Americans as a people need to learn is how to accept and internalize their own past evils. Exemplified in the chickenshit racist parents who whine like fucking toddlers when their kids learn elements of American history that don't make America look good. Those people are all assholes. Your kids should learn most of the Founding Fathers were violent slavers who beat and raped their slaves. That the USA was built on that slave trade, and protecting slavery was so integral its protection was built into the Constitution before the Bill of Rights was. That the Jim Crow era was unrepentant evil. And we're just talking about American abuses of black people; let's not ignore the abuses heaped on other ethnicities (particularly the Chinese and Japanese in separate eras, and Muslims much more recently), on women, on the LGBTQ+ community, and so on.

If you don't teach kids about the evils of the past, they'll repeat them, or at least not understand the warning signs when it starts to come around again. See all the chucklefucks who rail against labelling Trump and his regime as "fascist", even though it objectively is so. They never learned what fascism was or why it's terrible. And thus, they grew up to be so ignorant that fascist rhetoric would seem inviting.

Even Nixon got off way too fuckin' light. You need to hold those at the heights of power to higher standards, with greater punishments for failure, not lesser.

[Breccia]

FOX News gleefully reports *ding* that the White House reconstruction funds partially came from private donors.

The White House Ballroom is being privately funded by many generous Patriots, Great American Companies, and, yours truly. This Ballroom will be happily used for Generations to come!

And I'm sure they did so with no expectation of anything in return.

Trump celebrated the public bribery by not releasing the Epstein files.

[Rasulis]

https://www.chp.ca.gov/news-alerts/n...atrol-vehicle/

Initial CHP announcement of their findings after a marine shell damaged one of their vehicles -



Because as noted: This seems like another rushed Trump-job.

Given that, is it a surprise that one of the rounds exploded...prematurely? Didn't a certain adult film star have some comments on that matter some while ago?

All they had to do was not shoot artillery shells across freeway and railroad tracks. Problem solved.

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Trump's Plan to Import Beef from Argentina Just Hit a Wall With Texas Ranchers.

You voted for him.

[gondrin]

Here is what I hope for, they get this arch built with Trumps statue at the top. The moment the Democrats gain power, they take this precedence to remove the statue at the top and replace it with a statue of Obama or, if the thought of a black man is still too much, replace him with FDR who actually made America great with all the policies Trump and the Republicans hate and removed us from greatness when they destroyed them.

Then take the statue of Trump and move it to a museum that goes into great detail about his rapes and connections to Russia, Israel, and Epstien, how he damaged the nation and failed at basically everything he ever did and how the Republicans sold out their nation and their child’s at his alter because he preached their hatred was somehow a virtue.

Nah, don't replace it with FDR or Obama. Have it replaced with the cartoon balloon baby Trump. Keep it Trump but make it a mockery of him and if there are any plaques, change them to something mocking him. Make people hate the sight of it. Or, make it a statue of Trump and Epstein together.

And the first thing the Democrats should do is basically revoke any and all things related to the Trump Presidential Library and take command of his "gifted" plane and send it back to where it came from.

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All they had to do was not shoot artillery shells across freeway and railroad tracks. Problem solved.

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Trump's Plan to Import Beef from Argentina Just Hit a Wall With Texas Ranchers.

You voted for him.

Those ranchers can go fuck the right off. As far as I am concerned, import the beef and sell it right beside their beef for half the price. Much like the soybean farmers that now are complaining that China isn't buying anything, the cattle ranchers that voted for Trump and now are affected by him in a negative way are falling on deaf ears.

[Fugus]

Nah, don't replace it with FDR or Obama. Have it replaced with the cartoon balloon baby Trump. Keep it Trump but make it a mockery of him and if there are any plaques, change them to something mocking him. Make people hate the sight of it. Or, make it a statue of Trump and Epstein together.

And the first thing the Democrats should do is basically revoke any and all things related to the Trump Presidential Library and take command of his "gifted" plane and send it back to where it came from.

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Those ranchers can go fuck the right off. As far as I am concerned, import the beef and sell it right beside their beef for half the price. Much like the soybean farmers that now are complaining that China isn't buying anything, the cattle ranchers that voted for Trump and now are affected by him in a negative way are falling on deaf ears.

If we are going to go that route, we would need to convert the arches into public restrooms where the urinals all have Trumps face with an open mount on the back and a taco stand permanently placed just outside during business hours. Making sure to turn it into museum of all his abuses and how the Republicans went along with it like I suggested moving his statue to.

And maybe have a clay statue of him permanently doing that motion he did when he mocked the disabled reporter making it look like he is the one with that disability. And the lights on the walls have pictures of Trump staring at the eclipse looking at them.

And the funny thing about those farmers. Many still supported him evidently skimming through the comments.

[Muzjhath]

Those ranchers can go fuck the right off. As far as I am concerned, import the beef and sell it right beside their beef for half the price. Much like the soybean farmers that now are complaining that China isn't buying anything, the cattle ranchers that voted for Trump and now are affected by him in a negative way are falling on deaf ears.

That would be so hilarious because Argentinian beef is better than US beef in almost all cases just because Argentina does grass-fed almost exclusively.