Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Xyonai]

A ballroom is for balls. It isn't the 19th Century any more, and Trump's not an aristocrat.

And again; the function he's choosing to build is very much secondary. There'd be similar complaints if he were putting in a movie theater or a basketball court or a WWE arena. The primary issue is that the East Wing was not Trump's to bulldoze. He had no authority to touch it in any meaningful way beyond mild redecoration or maintenance.

IIRC I think the East Wing actually had a Movie Theatre in it, installed in the 40s, and the WH does have a Basketball Court already.

This isn't to refute your points, just feel like sharing some knowledge.

[Fugus]

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Yikes. I have someone I see becoming this at work - at the early age of 20. Single, virgin, pubic beard hair, chubby, does nothing in life but complain. They are clearly an incel and vapidly consuming red-pill things and religion behind their very obviously leftist mother. Point straight facts at these people constantly, I do. Some things have stuck thankfully, but often they still regurgitate nonsense. At some point I don't know what it is but natural selection. You can lead a horse to water but if all they wanna do is take a shit in it instead, whelp. Let 'em drown from afar I guess. I've had friends drift in the last decade or two but none so far as this bad.

What gets me though, is that often they'll cringe and recoil from the truth. They won't change, they just get better at hiding it.

Thank god this friend isn’t like that.

He is actually really skinny, does have a beard though, just a really small one.

Also isn’t a virgin but don’t think he has been in a relationship in a while and the girls he has been with from his mid 20s on I can best describe as “damaged” to put it nicely. He met them online. And not many sane girls want a 30+ year old still living with their parents and will need a ride because they dont have a license and can’t drive.

Also never been a complainer, the politics stuff mainly came up with because of me or we would walk past his parents watching the “News” when I came over and would talk about it when we got in the room so we didn’t make his parents mad. During Trumps first term his dad actually made a list of actors who didn’t like Trump so he could boycott them.

The boy is willing to work and isn’t a pain to be around at all, he just has no desire to move out from his parents, is afraid to drive, and he faints at the sight of his own blood.

He isn’t the incel type though, he is actually more the “failure to launch”

I think he might have a chance if he lived in the city where he could walk or take pubiic transit everywhere. But that doesn’t work here. Don’t even think he is afraid to move out on his own, he just has no desire to.

His biggest issue on a personal level outside of that was during his teenage years and early twenties he kept lying to try and make himself look better than he was, but wasn’t very good at that.

Wouldn’t qualify him as the incel type at all, no bitterness there that he has shown. Just complacency.

Edit: I honestly think the ideal life for him would be living a city where he could walk or take public transport everywhere while working a normal job that isn’t overnight and then so long as he got laid every so often and could smoke once a day, he would be content and able sustain himself and live his life. He largely doesn’t want to be a parent and doesn’t have any major drive to be in a relationship or really anything. I don’t think he would even care if he lived alone or with roommates so long as they got along.

[Edge-]

So you're okay with the new ballroom, you just wish it had passed a commission that's currently being defunded by Democrats?

I agree. Schumer should fund the government.

Surely this emergency construction can wait until the government is funded? Or are rules be damned because Daddy needs his ballroom?

[tehdang]

I'm genuinely curious if you can answer it, what do you personally benefit from the current administration in office? If not personal, or not only, then what else?

I mean the current government is still operating even when 'defunded' so that point is moot.

Let's let a little more time pass from today's "obviously bad faith poster" response to "I enjoy how tehdang is constantly ridiculed" or "they probably love seeing you waste time doing this. They know they're wrong and in the wrong, they don't care." You can choose to dismiss and ridicule. That's talking at somebody instead of with somebody. Please respect that I read and understand that mode of engagement, and frankly must choose to wait for the next conversation to see if you can engage earnestly and sincerely.

Surely this emergency construction can wait until the government is funded? Or are rules be damned because Daddy needs his ballroom?

Schumer can keep this going as long as he has a lock on his Senate Democrats, or enough of them. I really wish he would select a date to end the filibuster and fund the government, but it's indefinite. So go ahead and demand Schumer negotiate with Republicans to open certain agencies and committees (maybe in exchange for Military funding), since it sounds like you really want their working order in there.

[Malkiah]

Don’t see how someone could honestly believe what tehdang and them says, get refuted with evidence literally hundreds of times over years and still come back thinking they are never wrong about any of it especially when many of their own sources even said they were when you read them.

i mean that's the thing, you are assuming that someone like that has the capacity to process the concept of them being wrong, and i think that assumption is incorrect.
you're doing critical thinking, a linear progression of logic which states that you follow evidence and then collate that evidence into a working theory, and you're operating as if everyone else works like this.

i think you're smart enough to realize that there are people who start with an answer, only see that which confirms the answer, and either dismiss anything which doesn't support the conclusion or just blue screen over it and reboot, and the incompatible data gets deleted at best or categorized as "jewish conspiracy" at the worst.

[Mayhem]

What happens if he dies before its done? Is this thing expected to finish before his term is up?

Oh, it will be built at warp speed, because they'll use the cheapest materials possible. Plywood, with lots of stucco, concrete, with lots of stucco, and plastic, with lots of gold.

Also, it most likely will be a replica of some grand ballroom in Europe because they can't have even one original thought.

[Endus]

Let's let a little more time pass from today's "obviously bad faith poster" response to "I enjoy how tehdang is constantly ridiculed" or "they probably love seeing you waste time doing this. They know they're wrong and in the wrong, they don't care." You can choose to dismiss and ridicule. That's talking at somebody instead of with somebody. Please respect that I read and understand that mode of engagement, and frankly must choose to wait for the next conversation to see if you can engage earnestly and sincerely.

See how this works? He doesn't want to answer your question, @PenguinChan because it will make him look bad, but he's somehow going to reframe that refusal to try and present it as your fault, because he can't even take responsibility for his own bad-faith decisions. It's always that someone else is being "unfair", even while he spends all his time lying to you. Which he'll never acknowledge.

If you keep it up, he'll put you on Ignore with the rest of us who've cottoned on to his schtick and who he knows he can't misdirect any more.

[Odinfrost]

Wouldn't be able to, the mountain is so unstable he'd knock the current faces down while reducing whats left of the mountain to rubble.

That said, looking at the east wing, I wouldn't put it past him to still demand it and find some sycophants that would try.

Would be the perfect metaphor for his presidency.

[Mayhem]

I'll give you props. At least you quoted the post you pretended to reply to, which @Elder Millennial and @Belize couldn't do (replacing the quoted post with tripe of their own invention). But it still only expresses your emotional reaction like them. I know you don't like it, but I'm left similarly confused at why a bunch of offices are sacrosanct, and moving state functions from tents on the lawn to an actual ballroom isn't preferable. Oh god, better call everybody a boot-licker, deepthroater, or Russian talking point reposter to avoid substantive discussion.

And then two posts later complain that it's the other guy that's running from the debate. Quit the pearl clutching and tell me your attachment to FDR's project from actual living memory. The next president can literally redo the entire decoration if he or she sees fit! This seems like just the primal id reacting in a performative fashion. I already know you deflect to Russia, deepthroating, and boot-licking no matter the subject, so the continued performance of it isn't actually adding anything of value.

And I refuse to call y'all the contentless insults that you studiously repeat.

I mean you could start by explaining why it is needed to have a ballroom, there, at the White House. State functions don't randomly spawn at the White House; they don't have to happen there. If you can't explain why a ballroom is needed, then I think you and everyone know you're just bullshitting, again.

[PenguinChan]

Let's let a little more time pass from today's "obviously bad faith poster" response to "I enjoy how tehdang is constantly ridiculed" or "they probably love seeing you waste time doing this. They know they're wrong and in the wrong, they don't care." You can choose to dismiss and ridicule. That's talking at somebody instead of with somebody. Please respect that I read and understand that mode of engagement, and frankly must choose to wait for the next conversation to see if you can engage earnestly and sincerely.

I may be a bit of an ass but it was an honest ask because I don't comprehend or understand your outlooks on these things so I had to genuinely ask blatantly. If you aren't comfortable with publicly posting here, you could always DM me. If that is still too much and you're uncomfortable with that, well, aight. Maybe another time or thread.

[Mayhem]

Schumer can keep this going as long as he has a lock on his Senate Democrats, or enough of them. I really wish he would select a date to end the filibuster and fund the government, but it's indefinite. So go ahead and demand Schumer negotiate with Republicans to open certain agencies and committees (maybe in exchange for Military funding), since it sounds like you really want their working order in there.

Ah, so when the government isn't funded, the laws, rules, and regulations stop existing, and everyone, especially Trump, can just do as they please?

Let's keep that in mind.

[PenguinChan]

See how this works? He doesn't want to answer your question, @PenguinChan because it will make him look bad, but he's somehow going to reframe that refusal to try and present it as your fault, because he can't even take responsibility for his own bad-faith decisions. It's always that someone else is being "unfair", even while he spends all his time lying to you. Which he'll never acknowledge.

If you keep it up, he'll put you on Ignore with the rest of us who've cottoned on to his schtick and who he knows he can't misdirect any more.

Well to throw them a bone I have openly dismissed them or definitely disagreed 100% with things they said so I'm not exactly a friend in tehdang's eyes. But I am also genuinely curious about their reasons for their support. Hate or like them they definitely HAVE reasons and I would love to hear them, even if in DM's.

[Fugus]

i mean that's the thing, you are assuming that someone like that has the capacity to process the concept of them being wrong, and i think that assumption is incorrect.
you're doing critical thinking, a linear progression of logic which states that you follow evidence and then collate that evidence into a working theory, and you're operating as if everyone else works like this.

i think you're smart enough to realize that there are people who start with an answer, only see that which confirms the answer, and either dismiss anything which doesn't support the conclusion or just blue screen over it and reboot, and the incompatible data has been deleted at best or categorized as "jewish conspiracy" at the worst.

I fully understand people who can’t process the concept of being wrong. Unfortunately too many of them from experience.

My thing is none of them choose to actually discuss them without either avoiding locations that actually push back unless they are coming with the express intention to troll and BS their way though it.

That’s the thing, if were legit in his views or intent, he would have stopped trying within the first few months at the most extreme.

Even if he were 100% incapable of accepting he was wrong, he would have wrote us off as crazy or something else and move on instead of continuing it.

What I can’t conceive of is someone who would:

- Refuse to even contemplate the nation that they can’t be wrong,

- Go to a site that consistently proves they are wrong with evidence to back it up and dismantles virtually every take you ever have,

- Proceed to go through that loop for hundreds to thousands of pages over years

And never either admit they were wrong or just write the entire place off as a lost cause of crazies rather than admit they might be the issue if they actually were attempting to have a legit discussion.

Only people I see who do all that never were debating begin with and don’t care if what they are saying is true or not when they say it and if it isn’t it’s just that much more fun to watch it get fact checked by people who already know I won’t check their sources but feel almost religiously compelled to fact check the false information regardless.

I just don’t see a person who would get proven wrong hundreds of times literally for years and not move on while making excuses to protect their ego or questioning their views. To someone with that level of OCD prideful ignorance, this place would be the 9th gate of hell, not something they enjoy conversing in.

[PenguinChan]

What happens if he dies before its done? Is this thing expected to finish before his term is up?

That's a good question. If it's not done before he ends up passing away due to complications or unfortunate circumstances, would republicans bother upholding it or just scrap it?

[Malkiah]

My thing is none of them choose to actually discuss them without either avoiding locations that actually push back unless they are coming with the express intention to troll and BS their way though it.

i see what you mean and so i'm not trying to argue with you on this, but i see two alternate paths:
1. from what you've said about your experiences, that's real life and in person and that's kind of a whole different dynamic. on the internet you can clash with someone endlessly and it's a very different thing.
2. to put it bluntly, i have known those who would keep coming back to it and so i know what it looks like. you're fond of anecdotes... my mother isn't expressly republican in any way, but living out in rural BFE pennsylvania she has gained some kind of hillbilly osmosis and absorbs fringe right-wing narratives, even though to my knowledge she never watches TV or peruses any online content.
she'll call me up one day just to tell me about how she read in the local newspaper that they're putting cat boxes in the classrooms for janitors to shit in, and before we even get to the part where that story is bullshit i have to wade through dealing with how and why she thinks she read that in the newspaper when obviously she didn't.
is she just straight up lying to me? is she entering early stage dementia? did she put her head in a microwave?
no, she just lives out in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere, a place where everyone considers regressive ideology to be the natural order of society, and whatever lunacy percolates through the bars and craft halls in those areas becomes reality to her, because she's a fucking moron who never learned how to think properly.

so she calls me, and we family-argue about the news and politics, and then she gets all huffy and says "well you just think you know everything" when i start giving her sources, and she shuts down and laments how she hates talking about politics.
and then two weeks later she calls me to tell me that hulk hogan is joining the high school girl's wrestling team or something and it all starts over again.

i know you know people like this, it's not that unusual.

That’s the thing, if were legit in his views or intent, he would have stopped trying within the first few months at the most extreme.

it honestly feels kinda weird to be discussing another person and their motivations, but like... i do want to gently remind you, that YOU would have stopped, but that doesn't mean everyone else would have.

Even if he were 100% incapable of accepting he was wrong, he would have wrote us off as crazy or something else and move on instead of continuing it.

why is that? and i mean that sincerely... why is that an assertion you're making? because YOU wouldn't do that?

What I can’t conceive of is someone who would:
- Refuse to even contemplate the nation that they can’t be wrong,
- Go to a site that consistently proves they are wrong with evidence to back it up and dismantles virtually every take you ever have,

i don't want to beat a dead horse here but you seem to keep not quite grasping this so let me try again:
you're not proving him wrong (to him) - none of you are. stop thinking of this in those terms.

I just don’t see a person who would get proven wrong hundreds of times literally for years and not move on while making excuses to protect their ego or questioning their views. To someone with that level of OCD prideful ignorance, this place would be the 9th gate of hell, not something they enjoy conversing in.

well sure but what you're actually seeing is someone who has never been proven wrong and is the only sane voice in a stewpot of crazies.
hey @Edge there are always some number of people in r/conservative who despite being in r/conservative will post with a liberal ideology and argue against people, right? despite knowing what r/conservative is and despite how utterly futile it is?
(you are the one who has posted that you read r/conservative on the regular aren't you? if i have brain-farted utterly on which person around here has mentioned doing that, i apologize)

i'm not saying this is for sure the case with anyone here, i'm just saying that i know they consider themselves to be as right as we consider ourselves to be, and a bunch of you howler monkeys screeching at him every time he posts (for the 2-3 posts this community is capable of going before devolving into personal attacks) isn't going to reframe that in their minds.
you don't have to change your thinking on this at all obviously, but IMO you gotta stop being so one-sided in how you frame your perspective on this if you want to get any keener insight.

[Fugus]

@Malkiah

I guess it’s best to drop it but I really see it differently than you. Even with your story they called you because they a friend or loved one considered you a trust worthy source for it. The exact opposite that they would consider this place.

Sad to say, a huge portion of my exposure in real life is dealing with family. In laws mostly, but still family. But mostly out of the picture for me nowadays since that sister has passed and their own kids largely don’t try to involve that side of their family much. But still living in NC and still got lots of it around here even without them.

As for why they would stop after years of being proven wrong with evidence they refuse to read let won’t accept. Even if they were that dense, most would just to spare their own nerves rather than the back and forth.

Think of it this way, when people keep telling you are wrong and contradicting you over and over again while genuinely believing it, it gets exhausting dealing with that does it not? Unless they are loved ones or those you trust, would you invite that conversation hundreds of times?

I won’t lie, I used to actually respond to them all the time on Facebook and I would just fact check them. But even being 100% honest and fact checking them without any anger or snark at all when I did it back then. I was doing it literally to troll them because I found it hilarious watching them rage and lose their shit whenever they posted stuff hoping to see anger and insults for others only get a calm response factually proving them wrong with sources. Their rage back then was why I fact checked them. I never lied or anything like that, just removing their ability to deny the facts in that post and making them look the fool without coming off as a liar and not giving them the reaction they wanted was enough to put them over the edge, doubly so when I dealt with them enough to point out their own double standards using stuff they had tried to say in the past. Largely because their own family and friends saw them do it. Was really funny when I would get messages from people on their friends lists thanking me and laughing at their reactions.

Same with those posting in the Conservative Reddit threads with opposing views. Yes, they are posting the truth. Yes, they are just fact checking. But also, how much joy do they have watching them lose their shit at the facts they don’t like and the pretzels they twist themselves into to do it. Or watching them get so hot and bothered they would ban the user to run from those views and facts to preserve their safe space.

Oh well, I’m off. Later man and be safe. I just see them as trolling because I see the patterns when I did it on Facebook or a friend of mine who used to love trolling the AOL chat rooms in the 90s which is another sorry entirely.

Even if I only trolled by telling the truth to liars, the whole reason why I was doing to them was at its heart to get a reaction. Well, that and to keep others from believing them as easily after they know they are proven liars and their views are based on lies.

[Edge-]

the next preside should demo the Epstein Ballroom and install a ball pit.

[Dontrike]

While Trump demolished the White House to build Epstein's Pedophile Palace he had time to say something that even a bowl of Alphabets cereal would find to be utter gibberish.

Critics mocked President Donald Trump on Wednesday after he claimed that drugs trafficked by sea have a specific name: “ocean drugs.”

Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio defended the recent U.S. strikes on the ships of suspected traffickers, which have come under criticism given that the United States is not at war, and those aboard the ships have not been convicted of any crime.

Even some Republicans have spoken out against it, with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) slamming it as “summary execution.”

But Rubio insisted that the administration knows exactly who is on the boats and what they’re doing.

“We know what these boats are,” he said. “If you’re running drug boats, you’re in grave danger.”

That’s when the president cut in to crow about the success.

“And drug usage is way down. And drug usage coming from the sea, they call it ‘ocean drugs.’ A little term that they use. The ocean drugs is very close to non-existent right now,” Trump said. “So the ocean drugs and the sea drugs ― drugs by sea they call it also ― that’s almost down to nothing as you can imagine.”

Trump did not cite any data for his claim that “drug usage is way down.” Overdose deaths have been declining since 2023, but current numbers on usage are harder to come by.

Ocean drugs are found in ocean water because it's the wettest in terms of water.

[tehdang]

I may be a bit of an ass but it was an honest ask because I don't comprehend or understand your outlooks on these things so I had to genuinely ask blatantly. If you aren't comfortable with publicly posting here, you could always DM me. If that is still too much and you're uncomfortable with that, well, aight. Maybe another time or thread.

It just shits up the thread to assert that none of the contrary positions or opinions are held in good faith, and turn around and ask for opinions and positions. Like you're the colonial governor, and you're looking down your nose at the peasant barbarians, wondering among your peers how they arrived at such a pitiful state or could possibly think as they do.

Whatever real steps turned a fellow forum poster into an object of your ridicule, it requires a pause and a breath to re-make that person into a subject with a voice and a different worldview.

[Mayhem]

It just shits up the thread to assert that none of the contrary positions or opinions are held in good faith, and turn around and ask for opinions and positions. Like you're the colonial governor, and you're looking down your nose at the peasant barbarians, wondering among your peers how they arrived at such a pitiful state or could possibly think as they do.

Whatever real steps turned a fellow forum poster into an object of your ridicule, it requires a pause and a breath to re-make that person into a subject with a voice and a different worldview.

You're losing it when you talk about yourself in the third person.

This day is getting better and better.