Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

BREAKING: Hegseth says U.S. is sending an aircraft carrier to Latin America in major escalation of military buildup in the region.

I mean escalation, poor allocation of resources, government shutdown, blah, blah blah.

This really is "Wag the Dog" tactics to distract and feed his little piggies that we are killing those evil drug dealers.

where are they getting the money from this with the government shutdown lol

[Belize]

BREAKING: Hegseth says U.S. is sending an aircraft carrier to Latin America in major escalation of military buildup in the region.

I mean escalation, poor allocation of resources, government shutdown, blah, blah blah.

This really is "Wag the Dog" tactics to distract and feed his little piggies that we are killing those evil drug dealers.

Crazy that the Nobel Committee didn't recognize how peaceful Trump and his administration of alcoholics are.

Bigly peace

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The post is on the East Wing's physical location and whether people know it's not part of the white house

Except it explicitly, obviously is part of the White House. As I already demonstrated. You putting me on Ignore so you don't have to see debunkings doesn't mean you're not proven to be lying. It just means you don't want to admit you've lied.

You dishonestly used a shot that didn't show either the East or West wing, and which had greenery screening the corridors that connect both wings to the central house they were expanded from. They're all part of the same footprint, as any overhead plan would readily show you or anyone else who's confused about reality.

For all your complaints that others are rude, you openly gaslighting and lying to people's faces is far more rude.

And then a whine about tone policing, like you do this to your family and friends regularly and they never react to your words.

You are tone policing. You're doing it right now, in this very post.

This is what I mean by "gaslighting".

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You are tone policing. You're doing it right now, in this very post.

This is what I mean by "gaslighting".

It's wild how brazen conservatives have gotten with this, lol.

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I have some difficulty squaring the, for example, Newsom "He’s literally destroying the White House" (perpetuating the disinformation that this is that majestic 1800s facade)

Still a very obvious and blatant lie.

The East Wing is part of the White House.

and the posts here that go "oh, he just didn't file the right forms first." My thought, and it might change, is that people saw the excavator pics and are shocked and angry that Trump would dare to change anything, since they hate Trump. Theodore Roosevelt could (and did). FDR could (and did). Trump can't.

Teddy Roosevelt and FDR sought permission to make those changes. Trump didn't.

Nobody's argued Trump couldn't have gotten permission. They're pointing out he does not own the White House and has no right or authority to engage in any demolition or reconstruction of property he has no ownership rights over. It's akin to staying in a hotel suite; that doesn't give you the right to knock down walls because you'd prefer an open concept. This is not a difficult concept, and your refusal to understand this very, very simple point seems intentional.

They had known little and couldn't identify the East Wing before now, and didn't know it was behind some trees and obscured from street view. They are studiously ignoring the White House need for an indoor event space for visiting guests, because the wrong person is doing it!

This is entirely in your head. You're making this shit up wholesale, because you prefer your delusions to reality.

And no, changing a building with offices to a ballroom is not destroying the White House. One modern addition to the grounds is being replaced with another modern addition. I'm as mad about this as I am about FDR giving it two stories. Or Obama's basketball court. I think both will arouse as much anger as this will when similar amounts of time have passed.

Obama's basketball court involved adding basketball hoops to the existing tennis court, so you could use it for either. There was no demolition. You continue to have no idea what you're talking about.

[tehdang]

Did they get approval for this construction? Did they submit plans? Did they follow the rules?

Is it an emergency that needs to happen while the government is shut down?

These foundational questions that need to be asked before we get to, "GOSH THE LITERAL ENTIRE WHITE HOUSE ISN'T BEING DESTROYED YOU LIBS" dishonest pearl clutching (I think we can safely agree that Newsome is not talking about "the literal entire white house" and is using mild hyperbole to get attention for the outrageous actions happening right now, but that's just me using my little grey cells) and the demands that we point out where it's located visually or anything.

But hey, if you're a big proponent of the privately funded (bribed) Epstein Ballroom, you do you, fam.

Your perspective is that the hyperbole is innocent, and mine is that it's the entire point of the outrage. But I've already explained that over several posts now, and I won't repeat it. Reply to those posts instead of ignoring their arguments if you want to debate it. I'm as angry at Trump doing this as I am about FDR and Theodore Roosevelt and Truman and Eisenhower and many others. Which is sort of the entire point: almost every president does it, but Trump occupies a special place for participants here, so the "dishonest pearl clutching" on forms is entirely your dishonest pearl clutching.

By all means, use political invective like this is the Epstein Ballroom. That's just normal American politics. You've heard my retort already. Attachment to 1940s office buildings is weird, and America is much better off having a place to host indoor events. I even doubt future Democratic presidents will want to destroy it and go back to tents on the lawn.

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Your perspective is that the hyperbole is innocent, and mine is that it's the entire point of the outrage. But I've already explained that over several posts now, and I won't repeat it. Reply to those posts instead of ignoring their arguments if you want to debate it.

This is so deeply ironic.

I want to debate it. I responded to those posts. You're the one who put me on Ignore because you don't want to debate anything.

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Your perspective is that the hyperbole is innocent, and mine is that it's the entire point of the outrage.

It is? Then I guess you haven't read a single post here. Which I guess does make a lot of sense since you seem only interested in being a dishonest propaganda mouthpiece.

By all means, use political invective like this is the Epstein Ballroom. That's just normal American politics.

Honey, the leader of the Republican party is a child rapist who's broken more decorum and norms than any politician ever. That's the leader of your party. Your president.

He's the one that's made this "American politics".

Once again, you hate it when you're shown how repulsive Republicans are and project that onto Democrats.

Donald raped children. He's covering up the Epstein files. He's violating countless laws. The entire Republican party is working with him to do this. Actively.

And yet, you still defend almost every move of his while constantly crying that you're not actually defending him when called on it.

I do wonder how long this charade/character will continue.

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Which is sort of the entire point: almost every president does it

oh, just to point out - this is another baldface lie debunked repeatedly in this thread but, as noted, you don't fucking read anything except what propaganda you're apparently given by your handlers

[Paranoid Android]

It has begun...

Breaking: The Department of Justice announced it will "monitor polling sites in six jurisdictions [in New Jersey and California] ahead of the upcoming November 4, 2025, general election to ensure transparency, ballot security, and compliance with federal law."

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...nia-new-jersey

[Edge-]

It has begun...

Breaking: The Department of Justice announced it will "monitor polling sites in six jurisdictions [in New Jersey and California] ahead of the upcoming November 4, 2025, general election to ensure transparency, ballot security, and compliance with federal law."

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...nia-new-jersey

feds can fuck right the hell off, this is an open admission of their intent to intimidate voters

[tehdang]

It is? Then I guess you haven't read a single post here. Which I guess does make a lot of sense since you seem only interested in being a dishonest propaganda mouthpiece.

I just read in your post that you think it is "using mild hyperbole to get attention for the outrageous actions happening right now." I think it's trying to get Americans to think the actual White House is what's being torn down. Not an office building from the 1940s that is being replaced. One modern addition replaced by a different modern addition is not as outrage-generating.

Honey, the leader of the Republican party is a child rapist who's broken more decorum and norms than any politician ever. That's the leader of your party. Your president.

He's the one that's made this "American politics".

Once again, you hate it when you're shown how repulsive Republicans are and project that onto Democrats.

Donald raped children. He's covering up the Epstein files. He's violating countless laws. The entire Republican party is working with him to do this. Actively.

And yet, you still defend almost every move of his while constantly crying that you're not actually defending him when called on it.

I do wonder how long this charade/character will continue.

I just endorsed your use of political invective, so I fail to see what you're getting at. I employ a similar use of political invective to make my points.

oh, just to point out - this is another baldface lie debunked repeatedly in this thread but, as noted, you don't fucking read anything except what propaganda you're apparently given by your handlers

I thought Theodore Roosevelt's creation of the East Wing and FDR's big changes to the East Wing was a matter of historical fact, but if you want to call it propaganda, then that's an interesting choice for you. Vague gestures at "debunked" are insufficient, and saying "given by your handlers" just makes me think you want to use insults to exit the conversation. Well, just let me know if there's anything more you wish to say on the subject to me. It's given me a fun time reviewing the histories of each building and structure on the grounds, and the literal dozens of Presidents that have made changes.

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I just read in your post that you think it is "using mild hyperbole to get attention for the outrageous actions happening right now." I think it's trying to get Americans to think the actual White House is what's being torn down. Not an office building from the 1940s that is being replaced. One modern addition replaced by a different modern addition is not as outrage-generating.

It is a part of the actual White House. The East Wing of the White House.

You keep perpetuating this obvious lie, when any image or map of the White House complex will trivially debunk it. It's so incredibly lazy, and shows what a complete lack of respect for your audience you have.

Which is why people keep calling you out for being a disingenuous partisan propagandist. You're the one who started with the rude and offensive behaviour.

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I thought Theodore Roosevelt's creation of the East Wing and FDR's big changes to the East Wing was a matter of historical fact, but if you want to call it propaganda, then that's an interesting choice for you.

I'll keep noting that "every president does it" ends up being these two examples consistently. Almost like not "every president does it".

Once more you dishonestly ignore people pointing all this out and focus on irrelevant facts that are not in question.

What other presidents did major renovations involving demolition?

How many?

Did they move ahead immediately with those plans or did they follow the rules regarding making alterations to the building?

Once more I'm sure you won't answer any of these questions and I'm sure will instead latch onto some other inane detail to dishonestly spin out of proportion.

Really, you make the modern Republican party make a lot of sense.

[Rasulis]

From NYT.

The next front in the nation’s pitched battle over mid-decade congressional redistricting is opening in Virginia, where Democrats are planning the first step toward redrawing congressional maps, a move that could give their party two or three more seats.

The surprise development, which was announced by legislators on Thursday, would make Virginia the second state, after California, in which Democrats try to counter a wave of Republican moves demanded by President Trump to redistrict states to their advantage before the 2026 midterm elections …

Democrats now hold six of Virginia’s 11 congressional seats. Redistricting could deliver two or three additional seats for the party, depending on how aggressive cartographers choose to be in a redrawing effort.

Texas, NC and Missouri: GOP +7 seats. California & Virginia: Democrats +7 or +8 seats.

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It is a part of the actual White House. The East Wing of the White House.

You keep perpetuating this obvious lie, when any image or map of the White House complex will trivially debunk it. It's so incredibly lazy, and shows what a complete lack of respect for your audience you have.

Which is why people keep calling you out for being a disingenuous partisan propagandist. You're the one who started with the rude and offensive behaviour.

see it's fun

because everyone here has said we know it's not the whole white house but instead a part of it that's physically connected to the main building.

but he can't address that because his talking points would fall apart, so he dishonestly ignores it to focus on the "but it's not the whole house!" as if that's meaningful or relevant

or that because the average american can't point out the east wing that might have some bearing or relevance on this

[Breccia]

It has begun

Literal dictator behavior. The locals should kick them out since they don't have a warrant and there is no probable cause.

[Iphie]

From NYT.

The next front in the nation’s pitched battle over mid-decade congressional redistricting is opening in Virginia, where Democrats are planning the first step toward redrawing congressional maps, a move that could give their party two or three more seats.

The surprise development, which was announced by legislators on Thursday, would make Virginia the second state, after California, in which Democrats try to counter a wave of Republican moves demanded by President Trump to redistrict states to their advantage before the 2026 midterm elections …

Democrats now hold six of Virginia’s 11 congressional seats. Redistricting could deliver two or three additional seats for the party, depending on how aggressive cartographers choose to be in a redrawing effort.

Texas, NC and Missouri: GOP +7 seats. California & Virginia: Democrats +7 or +8 seats.

Gods this isn't going to end until the country is so divided that nothing will ever change. So glad I live in a parliamentary democracy with proportional representation. ( or at leastt that's the case in the Netherlands.)

[Huehuecoyotl]

Your perspective is that the hyperbole is innocent, and mine is that it's the entire point of the outrage.

And this, right here, is why people insult and demean your posts. Because once again, rather than engage with any of the actual fucking points presented to you, and whether you agree or disagree with those points, you start complaining about HOW people are making those points.

It's fucking tiring, and it's part of why your posts are ignored or laughed at. You don't want to discuss. You don't want to debate. You want to prance, and pose and clutch those pearls. Pretending that you'd be happy to discuss things, if only people weren't so....mean.

As long as you carry on with this approach, people will treat you appropriately. And you'll carry on complaining about how they treat you, and pretending like you don't fucking know that it's basically your own fault.

[Rasulis]

PrimaLend Capital Partners, a subprime auto lender with headquarters in Plano, Texas, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection defaulting on loans worth around $500m. That's the third subprime car lenders (First Brand and Tricolor) to declare bankruptcy this year.

[Fugus]

All I can hope is they turn out is so strong it blows the Republican gerrymanders out entirely and turns into a Dummymander while it causes the Democrat gerrymanders to become super efffective and give them full if not near super majorities in both houses to the point they can’t even attempt to give power away to avoid doing their jobs.