Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Kaleredar]

Lindsey Graham has pretty much confirmed that Trump wants to start a war with Venezuela.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...latin-america/

If trump is hoping to gin up support by starting a war a la bush, then he’s probably barking up the wrong tree.

I thought Trump was supposed to be the “peaceful president?”

[tehdang]

By this argument the oval office isn't the white house.

And like I was just saying about the East Wing, I think many Americans wouldn't correctly identify the oval office as being part of a different building.

[alach]

If trump is hoping to gin up support by starting a war a la bush, then he’s probably barking up the wrong tree.

I thought Trump was supposed to be the “peaceful president?”

I remember last term, for some reason he thought being called a war-time president was cool, and went to lengths to label himself as that, going so far to make a comment that having Covid was the same as being a war-time president.
But yeah, Biden and Kamala were the presidents of war and he just preached peace.

[Mayhem]

And like I was just saying about the East Wing, I think many Americans wouldn't correctly identify the oval office as being part of a different building.

Aha, so the President and his executive staff are working in a different building than the White House, that building is called the West Wing, because Americans are stupid and don't know what words mean.

Though I'd love to see the official source you can find that says the West Wing isn't part of the White House.

[Muzjhath]

And like I was just saying about the East Wing, I think many Americans wouldn't correctly identify the oval office as being part of a different building.

A wing of a building is part of a building. Generally built later than the core of a building.

The west wing is part of the white house. Same as the east wing is/was.

This doesn't remove the fact that you're being disingenuous about what people are criticising with Trump.
Aka approval for what he's doing. Which other people got.

[tehdang]

A wing of a building is part of a building. Generally built later than the core of a building.

The west wing is part of the white house. Same as the east wing is/was.

This doesn't remove the fact that you're being disingenuous about what people are criticising with Trump.
Aka approval for what he's doing. Which other people got.

You're starting to burrow into semantics. You understand that modern additions to the complex aren't as beloved as that from the 19th century (well, the rebuild)? Maybe this 21st century addition must survive, for replacing it would be destroying the White House for you? I don't view the modern changes as you do.

Like you said, a wing of a building is part of the building. Which is why detached buildings referred to as wings get confused by people viewing the news stories as an actual part of the White House. This will be an important history lesson for America. Heck, the Washington Post just had an opinion piece on it yesterday, let's check it out:

"Trump joins a long list of presidents who have left their imprint on the White House. Theodore Roosevelt replaced greenhouses to construct the West Wing. William Howard Taft constructed the first Oval Office in 1909. Richard M. Nixon converted a swimming pool into the press briefing room in 1970. The modern East Wing wasn’t even built until World War II to cover up an underground bunker. Harry S. Truman gutted the White House interior and added the balcony that bears his name. Purists decried it. Now it’s a hallmark.WaPo on the NIMBYS"

I look forward to the logical conclusion of your angle, which is that the grandkids of Americans today must consider the ballroom as part of the White House and not to be destroyed. And, like the Washington Post, "The State Dining Room seats 140. The East Room seats about 200. Trump says the ballroom at the center of his 90,000-square-foot addition will accommodate 999 guests. The next Democratic president will be happy to have this."

[DarkTZeratul]

I look forward to the logical conclusion of your angle, which is that the grandkids of Americans today must consider the ballroom as part of the White House and not to be destroyed.

You complain that people call you a disingenuous bootlicker, and then you pull out the circular logic bullshit that is this argument. People are complaining that Trump destroyed part of the White House. You try to defend that it actually isn't part of the White House, and when people tell you yes it is, you pivot to "well then no should be allowed to undo what Trump is doing."

All to yet again defend the reckless, unilateral, illegal actions of a president you keep insisting you never voted for and don't actually like.

[Muzjhath]

You're starting to burrow into semantics. You understand that modern additions to the complex aren't as beloved as that from the 19th century (well, the rebuild)? Maybe this 21st century addition must survive, for replacing it would be destroying the White House for you? I don't view the modern changes as you do.

Like you said, a wing of a building is part of the building. Which is why detached buildings referred to as wings get confused by people viewing the news stories as an actual part of the White House. This will be an important history lesson for America. Heck, the Washington Post just had an opinion piece on it yesterday, let's check it out:

"Trump joins a long list of presidents who have left their imprint on the White House. Theodore Roosevelt replaced greenhouses to construct the West Wing. William Howard Taft constructed the first Oval Office in 1909. Richard M. Nixon converted a swimming pool into the press briefing room in 1970. The modern East Wing wasn’t even built until World War II to cover up an underground bunker. Harry S. Truman gutted the White House interior and added the balcony that bears his name. Purists decried it. Now it’s a hallmark.WaPo on the NIMBYS"

I look forward to the logical conclusion of your angle, which is that the grandkids of Americans today must consider the ballroom as part of the White House and not to be destroyed. And, like the Washington Post, "The State Dining Room seats 140. The East Room seats about 200. Trump says the ballroom at the center of his 90,000-square-foot addition will accommodate 999 guests. The next Democratic president will be happy to have this."

Once again you dodge the actual issue.

Getting permissions for what happens.

[Breccia]

Trump pressures DOJ to investigate alleged 2020 election fraud: ‘We now know everything’

Now, I believe I asked for Trump supporter input on the "MASSIVE" election fraud months ago, and instead of replying to a direct question on a pertinent topic, we're getting "well achually it's a different building" for the last ten pages.

Donald Trump called on the Department of Justice to investigate the 2020 election with “gusto,” reviving claims that it was “rigged and stolen.”

Trump made the plea in a Truth Social post, in which he downplayed the recent sports betting scandal involving an NBA player and head coach, calling the 2020 presidential election a “far bigger SCANDAL.”

“What’s worse, the NBA Players cheating at cards, and probably much else, or the Democrats cheating on Elections. The 2020 Presidential Election, being Rigged and Stolen, is a far bigger SCANDAL. Look what happened to our Country when a Crooked Moron became our ‘President!’ We now know everything. I hope the DOJ pursues this with as much ‘gusto’ as befitting the biggest SCANDAL in American history!” Trump said.

The president also warned that such alleged fraud would only continue into the 2026 midterm elections, urging Republicans to “GET SMART … BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!”

Trump’s Sunday statement is one of the most public calls he has made to date for the DOJ to investigate the 2020 election, a race he lost to Joe Biden by over 7 million votes.

Trump previously called for a special prosecutor investigation into the election, also suggesting there was evidence that it was stolen.

“Biden was grossly incompetent, and the 2020 election was a total FRAUD! The evidence is MASSIVE and OVERWHELMING. A Special Prosecutor must be appointed. This cannot be allowed to happen again in the United States of America! Let the work begin!” he said in June.

That bolded. Wow.

Now, again, I have already asked for Trump supporter input on this very topic. As Trump is continuing to make it a political topic, I believe it's fair to ask again.

Any and all Trump supporters, what and where is the "MASSIVE" and "OVERWHELMING" election fraud evidence? Somehow, I think "the biggest SCANDAL in American history" is more deserving of a response than "despite being objectively corrected multiple times, I still insist it's a different building because I'd rather defend that point to the death than Russia, Gaza, inflation, the shutdown, or Trump raping children".

[alach]

Trump pressures DOJ to investigate alleged 2020 election fraud: ‘We now know everything’

Now, I believe I asked for Trump supporter input on the "MASSIVE" election fraud months ago, and instead of replying to a direct question on a pertinent topic, we're getting "well achually it's a different building" for the last ten pages.



That bolded. Wow.

Now, again, I have already asked for Trump supporter input on this very topic. As Trump is continuing to make it a political topic, I believe it's fair to ask again.

Any and all Trump supporters, what and where is the "MASSIVE" and "OVERWHELMING" election fraud evidence? Somehow, I think "the biggest SCANDAL in American history" is more deserving of a response than "despite being objectively corrected multiple times, I still insist it's a different building because I'd rather defend that point to the death than Russia, Gaza, inflation, the shutdown, or Trump raping children".

He is such a little triggered bitch baby. This is obviously a tantrum to Biden winning a Lifetime Achievement award yesterday.

He said that Kennedy believed in "the fundamental goodness of the American people" and the "power of our democracy." He said both are values he believes in and upholds.

"In over 50 years of public life, this is one of the worst I've seen. Our very democracy is at stake in my view," Biden said in his speech. "It's no time to give up. It's time to get up. Get up now!"

Biden also briefly referenced Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert, saying that "late-night hosts that continue to shine a light on free speech, knowing their careers are on the line."

trump does love to bring up the Big Lie alot but I doubt this time it was a coincidence.

[PenguinChan]

You're starting to burrow into semantics. You understand that modern additions to the complex aren't as beloved as that from the 19th century (well, the rebuild)? Maybe this 21st century addition must survive, for replacing it would be destroying the White House for you? I don't view the modern changes as you do.

Like you said, a wing of a building is part of the building. Which is why detached buildings referred to as wings get confused by people viewing the news stories as an actual part of the White House. This will be an important history lesson for America. Heck, the Washington Post just had an opinion piece on it yesterday, let's check it out:

"Trump joins a long list of presidents who have left their imprint on the White House. Theodore Roosevelt replaced greenhouses to construct the West Wing. William Howard Taft constructed the first Oval Office in 1909. Richard M. Nixon converted a swimming pool into the press briefing room in 1970. The modern East Wing wasn’t even built until World War II to cover up an underground bunker. Harry S. Truman gutted the White House interior and added the balcony that bears his name. Purists decried it. Now it’s a hallmark.WaPo on the NIMBYS"

I look forward to the logical conclusion of your angle, which is that the grandkids of Americans today must consider the ballroom as part of the White House and not to be destroyed. And, like the Washington Post, "The State Dining Room seats 140. The East Room seats about 200. Trump says the ballroom at the center of his 90,000-square-foot addition will accommodate 999 guests. The next Democratic president will be happy to have this."

Demolishing an entire wing during a government shutdown, without any prior approval, not paying those workers as being the same caliber as those other examples is more than a stretch.

It’s just illegal. Straight up.

[Endus]

And like I was just saying about the East Wing, I think many Americans wouldn't correctly identify the oval office as being part of a different building.

Except it isn't.

Both East and West Wings are part of the White House. This is the weirdest fucking lie to double down on.

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You're starting to burrow into semantics. You understand that modern additions to the complex aren't as beloved as that from the 19th century (well, the rebuild)? Maybe this 21st century addition must survive, for replacing it would be destroying the White House for you? I don't view the modern changes as you do.

Like you said, a wing of a building is part of the building. Which is why detached buildings referred to as wings get confused by people viewing the news stories as an actual part of the White House.

Neither Wing of the White House is detached from the older central part of the White House..

Why are you inventing complete fiction. The footprint of the building includes both Wings and the connecting corridors. As literally any map or overhead view would show you. Anyone can see you're wrong about this just by looking at the White House. You're in full-on "the sky is pink with yellow polka dots" territory, here.

[tehdang]

Once again you dodge the actual issue.

Getting permissions for what happens.

Your post focused on the different buildings, and never mentioned the forms.

You complain that people call you a disingenuous bootlicker, and then you pull out the circular logic bullshit that is this argument. People are complaining that Trump destroyed part of the White House. You try to defend that it actually isn't part of the White House, and when people tell you yes it is, you pivot to "well then no should be allowed to undo what Trump is doing."

All to yet again defend the reckless, unilateral, illegal actions of a president you keep insisting you never voted for and don't actually like.

Yes, this is disingenuous. Check out the original post. I comment on whether Americans actually know what was demolished (I doubt it), and the merits of replacing it with a ballroom. You'll notice that the replies consider both to be irrelevant comments not worth taking up. Weird to go a massive step forward and call that bootlicking.

And of course he should file plans with the NCPC, which is currently shut down. You may not like who appoints the chair, and who 8 of the 12 members are. But certainly express your desire that Schumer fully open or partially open the government so that this commission may review the plans.

Demolishing an entire wing during a government shutdown, without any prior approval, not paying those workers as being the same caliber as those other examples is more than a stretch.

It’s just illegal. Straight up.

This would be making past presidents all lawbreakers and impeachable (well, impeachment being a political process, technically they all were impeachable.) Congress is fully capable of changing the law to define major changes and apply new restrictions. It might do so precisely because the history of the white house is one of constant revision, and the history of prior approval is scant, even when such changes draw an uproar. As stands, presidential appointees are a full half of the commission, and Rand Paul (R-KY) and James Comer (R-KY) make 8.

I'd have to see a story on "not paying those workers." The project has private donors, after all. Several historical renovations to the white house grounds have been entirely funded by private donors.

[En Sabah Nur]

This is a lot to unpack at this time of day. Good Lord.

[alach]

This is a lot to unpack at this time of day. Good Lord.

He wanted to break his record of 3000 lies in a single term by becoming more efficient and attempting to do them all in a single post. Got to hand it to him, that has to be a record breaking Lies per Line.

[Breccia]

This is a lot to unpack at this time of day. Good Lord.

The vast majority of this post is objective falsehoods. Trump is lying or insane. And we know this, because any time I ask our resident Trump supporters to explain what Trump is saying, they hide behind "well achually it's a different building" instead of the issues their chosen leader is bringing in public on purpose.

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In fact, since showing Trump is an objective liar is trivial, I'll just do some of it right now.

Across 13 states, residential customers are seeing their electricity prices rise by $17 to $27 per month. That’s more than $300 a year in extra household costs on energy alone. The culprit isn’t just your air conditioning. AI data centers are consuming record amounts of energy, driving up electricity prices, and straining an already fragile energy grid. So far this year, utilities have requested $29 billion in rate hikes as a direct response to AI demand.

Trump and the Republican Party promised to lower costs for Americans. But in gutting clean energy incentives and encouraging Big Tech to rapidly expand energy-intensive AI infrastructure with minimal oversight, they have sent energy costs sky-high. And this is just one part of the GOP’s broader agenda of deregulation and privatization that prioritizes corporate profit over public well-being.

AI data centers, the massive warehouses of equipment powering large language models like ChatGPT, require constant, high-intensity energy. Companies likeAmazon, Microsoft, Meta, and xAI are building them at a scale and speed that utilities weren’t designed to handle. U.S. data center energy demand is on track to nearly double by 2030, reaching up to 9% of total U.S. power use. These energy demands are reshaping the grid in real time, forcing utilities to delay clean energy upgrades and restart fossil fuel plants. Some tech firms, such as Amazon Web Services, are even lobbying to connect existing baseload power plants directly to their facilities, diverting supply from the public.

And that's just one source. I found another: Trump's own EIA. That page lists the Average Price of Electricity to Ultimate Customers by End-Use Sector, and in all sections - Residential, Commercial, Industrial and Transportation - costs are up across the country, and in the vast majority of the states (I think Georgia was the sole exception).

Trump is lying, either because he knows the truth hurts his position, or because he's too retarded or insane to read the figures he himself has.

[Belize]

Your post focused on the different buildings, and never mentioned the forms.

Some of us have asked you repeatedly to rationalize why demolition started before forms/plans have been submitted.

But you keep ignoring the question. Curious.

[Endus]

Some of us have asked you repeatedly to rationalize why demolition started before forms/plans have been submitted.

But you keep ignoring the question. Curious.

It's pretty fuckin' simple. Trump's effectively a tenant. He does not own the White House and has little authority to do anything but redecorate. As you could if you rented a house, for instance. But demolishing half the house to rebuild it, without permission of the actual owner? That shit's criminal.

Could he have gotten permission? That's not the question. It's clear he did not seek permission, and does not have the authority to make this decision himself.

Anyone hand-waving this is complicit in the dishonesty and criminality of his actions.

[Xyonai]

Trump Denies disaster relief to Maryland and Illinois while, at the same time slow-walking approving aid for states that voted for him.

President Donald Trump approved major disaster declarations for Alaska, Nebraska, North Dakota and the Leech Lake Band of Ojibwe late Wednesday, while denying requests from Vermont, Illinois and Maryland and leaving other states still waiting for answers.

The decisions fell mostly along party lines, with Trump touting on social media Wednesday that he had “won BIG” in Alaska in the last three presidential elections and that it was his “honor” to deliver for the “incredible Patriots" of Missouri, a state he also won three times.

The disaster declarations authorize the Federal Emergency Management Agency to support recipients with federal financial assistance to repair public infrastructure damaged by disasters and, in some cases, provide survivors money for repairs and temporary housing.

While Trump has approved more disaster declarations than he's denied this year, he has also repeatedly floated the idea of “ phasing out ” FEMA, saying he wants states to take more responsibility for disaster response and recovery. States already take the lead in disasters, but depend on federal assistance when the needs exceed what they can manage alone.

Trump has also taken longer to approve disaster declaration requests than in any previous administration, including his first, according to an Associated Press analysis.

The states approved for disaster declarations include Alaska, which filed an expedited request after experiencing back-to-back storms this month that wrecked coastal villages, displaced 2,000 residents and killed at least one person. Trump approved a 100% cost share of disaster-related expenses for 90 days.

North Dakota and Nebraska will also receive public assistance for August severe weather, and the Leech Lake Band of Ojibwe in Minnesota was approved for both public and individual assistance for a June storm that felled thousands of trees across its tribal lands.

Trump denied four requests, including Maryland's appeal for reconsideration after the state was denied a disaster declaration for May flooding that severely impacted the state's two westernmost counties.

Gov. Wes Moore, a Democrat, denounced the decision in a statement Thursday, calling the final denial “deeply frustrating.”

“President Trump and his Administration have politicized disaster relief, and our communities are the ones who will pay the price,” said Moore. The state has been supporting impacted individuals itself, deploying over $450,000 for the first time from its State Disaster Recovery Fund.

Maryland met the conditions necessary to qualify for public assistance, according to a preliminary damage assessment, but Trump, who has the final decision on the declarations, denied the state's July request. Maryland appealed in August with further data showing the counties experienced $33.7 million in damage, according to the state, more than three times its threshold for federal assistance.

Trump also denied Vermont a major disaster declaration for July 10 floods after the state waited over nine weeks for a decision. The damages far exceed what some of the small towns impacted can afford on their own, said Eric Forand, Vermont's emergency management director.

“It’s well over the annual budget or two years’ budget (of some towns), to fix those roads,” Forand said.

The other denials included an application from Illinois for individual assistance for three counties impacted in July by severe storms and flooding, and one from Alaska to rebuild a public safety building that burned in a July electrical fire.

Asked why the states were denied, White House spokesperson Abigail Jackson said, “President Trump provides a more thorough review of disaster declaration requests than any Administration has before him.” She said Trump was “ensuring American tax dollars are used appropriately and efficiently by the states to supplement — not substitute, their obligation to respond to and recover from disasters.”

Several states and one tribe still await decisions on their requests.

Not knowing whether public assistance is coming can delay crucial projects, especially for small jurisdictions with tight budgets, and sometimes leaves survivors without any help to secure temporary housing or repair homes now too dangerous to live in.

Before its approval Wednesday, the Leech Lake Band of Ojibwe was straining to cover the costs of clearing thousands of trees felled across its reservation by a June thunderstorm. As a tribe, it is entitled to apply for assistance independently of the state where it is located.

The tribe had spent about $1.5 million of its own funds so far, said Duane Oothoudt, emergency operations manager for the Leech Lake Police Department.

The tribe was "doing a lot of juggling, using reserve funding to operate and continue paying our contractors,” Oothoudt said just hours before being notified of the disaster declaration, nine weeks after submitting the request.

With federal funding approved for both public and individual assistance, Oothoudt said Thursday his one-man emergency management department would focus on helping survivors first.

“There's a lot of work to do,” he said. “People were hurt by the storm.”

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And of course he should file plans with the NCPC, which is currently shut down. You may not like who appoints the chair, and who 8 of the 12 members are. But certainly express your desire that Schumer fully open or partially open the government so that this commission may review the plans.

Or, hear me out because this is crazy; if the government body that approves construction plans isn't currently in session, then don't fucking start construction plans until they're back in session. What an utterly asinine way to frame this and trying to blame Dems for Trump's stupid decisions.

[Edge-]

And like I was just saying about the East Wing, I think many Americans wouldn't correctly identify the oval office as being part of a different building.

I see we're still on, "American's don't know the floor plan for the White House" as a justification for demolishing an entire wing without following any established rules, having a plan in place that was approved, or anything else.

Also done as a rush-job while the government shut down.

But really, if your average American can't draw a detailed diagram of every room of the White House does it even matter?

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Trump Denies disaster relief to Maryland and Illinois while, at the same time slow-walking approving aid for states that voted for him.

lmao get fucked, fellow americans that voted for this

absolutely get fucked