Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Moralgy]

The question was not if Elon was rich. The dude claimed he was the richest person in the history of the world. You do understand how dumb this is when he has to borrow money for any large scare purchases like Twitter?

Do you understand the amount of wealth past royalty or even modern Saudis are working with and no they don't pay taxes on it rofl.

Also that's not just how rich people money works. That is literally how money works in general in this country. Unless you are living pay check to pay check I really hope you aren't just sitting on a savings account and doing nothing with it. So thanks for the useless explanation on how the moronic credit system works. Not sure how many people here needed it.

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This is why the military has to take an oath to defend the constitution. Not saying they will actually do it, we haven't got to that point yet but they are supposed to be the final check against this, not the courts.

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By the military. The oath literally says to defend the constitution against all threats domestic and foreign and that is the first part of the oath before it says to follow the orders of the POTUS.

Again I'm not saying it would work out this way and they would do their job the swore an oath to do, but that is the final check when everything else is defying the constitution.

ur right but unfortunately the military only has allegiance to trump if we are being real. if he wanted it, he could never not be president because there are no real checks on him as of right now.

[Kaleredar]

Says who?

Presidents have been killed for less. In fact, all the president who have been killed were in fact killed for less. Trump was almost killed twice for less.

If he'd refused to step down or entertain Biden's victory in the election, and had mobilized the FBI and the national guard to enforce that, and the courts wouldn't take up the case, what other options are there?

And none of that happened previously.

You're acting like the laws will always be enforced in good faith, and that's already not the case at the national level. See the ICE abuses.

Couldn’t you say that’s never been the case?


You’re all just “begging the question” of “what if someone allows something to happen?” Which is ultimately the case for any law, anywhere, and therefore isn’t really relevant. My point is that if trump wants to be god-king then it’s not pedantic parliamentarian procedure that’s going to technically legally allow him to do so, and at that point your idle musing are no different than saying that if we all really wanted it then Obama could be returned for a third term next Tuesday and Trump be forced to wear a chicken costume for the rest of his life.

[Dontrike]

"You're wrong" is all Trump has to say about grocery prices going up, because the dumbass has nothing else, but lies.

President Donald Trump desperately tried to pivot the conversation away from his tanking economy in an interview with 60 Minutes Sunday. When probed by Norah O’Donnell about grocery prices, Trump first flailed, before outright lying.

When the president brought up the stock market, O’Donnell pointed out that many Americans may not feel the effects of market growth in their wallets: “When the stock market is doing well, that doesn’t affect everybody. Not everybody is invested in the stock market—”

“It does,” insisted Trump. “Oh it does, it does.”

O’Donnell pushed ahead, observing, “Grocery prices are up.”

Trump ignored her, choosing to instead over-exaggerate the growth of 401(k) retirement savings accounts. O’Donnell, not taking the bait, tried again to get the president to answer her question: “But for people that don’t have 401(k)s, who are not invested in the stock market—they’ve seen their grocery prices go up.”

“No, you’re wrong.” Trump responded. “They went up under Biden, right now they’re going down. Other than beef, which we’re working on.”

In reality, grocery prices are not down—they’re up. Grocery prices are 2.7 percent higher than they were last September and 1.4 percent higher than January, when Trump triumphantly returned to office. They’re also still on the rise, according to data released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics last Friday. Overall, grocery prices have increased almost 30 percent in the last five years.

Though this is far from the first time that Trump has lied on camera, pretending that grocery prices are down is particularly egregious. The president campaigned on lowering prices, and has lied repeatedly about the fact that his nonsensical tariffs and cruel mass deportation campaign—which targets many of the people who grow and harvest our food—have hurt consumers.

Meanwhile, Trump is gilding the Oval Office and building a ballroom. At least he’s not out of touch!

[Endus]

This is why the military has to take an oath to defend the constitution. Not saying they will actually do it, we haven't got to that point yet but they are supposed to be the final check against this, not the courts.

Is that preventing the National Guard from doing Trump's bullshit?

Oaths are, again, utterly worthless if they're not enforced. And when those who do the enforcing are on the regime's side, or will be removed from their positions for enforcing those oaths and replaced by someone who won't, there's no enforcement and the oaths don't matter. It's the same problem with the legal system. You cannot expect a suborned system to act as a check on those who suborned it.

At that point, we're into "consent of the governed" territory, and the only way for that check to occur is for enough of the people of the nation to actually stand up and do something to stop this from continuing. And no, I don't mean protests. Protests are the warning, the implicit threat. You've gotta follow through on that threat when the authorities don't bend, or that threat doesn't exist, and your protest was just a performative art experience.

[Anastacy]

In light of his more recent Tweet...

[Tech614]

Is that preventing the National Guard from doing Trump's bullshit?

There is a big difference from standing around in cities for photo ops and what we're talking about.

Once again, I'm not guaranteeing the military would uphold their end of the bargain. But we haven't reached the levels where I would expect them to yet.

There is a reason ICE is the ones actually harming the population and doing the real dirty work for him, if it was so easy to get the military to do it he wouldn't need ICE. It would be far more effective for physically fit people to be chasing down brown people than fat fucks who get winded running 5 feet.

[Belize]

Somewhat off-topic, but, as someone that needs to fly out of a major international airport here soon, fuck Trump and the GOP for not paying the TSA and ATC.

I think I've aged 5 years from the stress of needing to coordinate multiple people getting to the airport early enough to sit in line for potentially 3 hours

[Rasulis]

As a reminder, Trump's own figures directly refute this. And we've reached the point where his actions (firing BLS for example) mean his statements cannot be trusted. Also he's Trump and lies all the time about everything.

And he rapes children.

Economy Statement for the Treasury Borrowing Advisory Committee

Inflation remained above the target of 2 percent in the third quarter (see Table 2 – Inflation Indicators). As of September 2025, inflation—as measured by the headline consumer price index (CPI)—was 3.0 percent on a twelve-month basis. The elevated annual growth partly reflects the strong price pressures from September 2024 to January 2025, in which headline CPI rose by 4.1 percent at an annualized rate. From January 2025 to September 2025, CPI growth was more moderate at 2.5 percent at an annual rate.

• CPI inflation for energy goods and services picked in the third quarter to an average 0.4 percent per month, after rising an average 0.2 percent per month in the second quarter. The increase in energy prices largely reflected higher gasoline prices.
• Food prices for both groceries (food at home) and food services (food away from home) increased moderately in the third quarter. The CPI for food at home rose 0.3 percent per month on average, while the CPI for food away from home increased an average of 0.2 percent per month.

Monthly core CPI inflation averaged 0.3 percent in the third quarter. Over the twelve months through September 2025, the core inflation rate was 3.0 percent. So far this year, annual core inflation has ranged between 2.8 percent and 3.1 percent, save for the 3.3 percent rating realized in January from when President Trump assumed office.

• Core goods prices increased 0.2 percent on average per month in the third quarter, ticking up 0.1 percentage points from the rates in the previous three quarters. Core goods prices began rising in September 2024, which has elevated core goods inflation to 1.5 percent over the year ending September 2025.
• Inflation for rent of housing services (rent of primary residence and owners’ equivalent rent) averaged 0.3 percent per month in the third quarter, where it has held for the previous three quarters. Over the year through September 2025, rent of housing inflation was 3.7 percent, the slowest annual pace since December 2021.
• Inflation for non-housing core services picked up to 0.3 percent on average in the third quarter, with about half of the growth stemming from higher prices for airfares and lodging away from home. Over the year through September 2025, non-housing core services inflation was 3.8 percent, down from 5.2 percent over the year through September 2024.

Inflation as measured by the PCE price index has notable differences in weights and methodologies versus the CPI. Over the past 20 years, twelve-month CPI inflation has exceeded PCE inflation by about 0.36 percentage points on average. Over the year through August 2025, headline PCE inflation was 2.7 percent, or 0.2 percentage points below headline CPI inflation for that month. Similarly, core PCE inflation was 2.9 percent, below the 3.1 percent inflation rate as measured by the CPI.

Out of the mouth of the Treasury Department controlled by Trump's handpicked cronies.

[Breccia]

Out of the mouth of the Treasury Department controlled by Trump's handpicked cronies.

Admitting 3%? Admitting food prices are going upwards quickly? I guess I owe them an apology. I wonder if it's because the people still there are lifers who believe in facts, or if they just have no reason to sucking up to the person who chose not to pay them. Either way, nothing in this is surprising except that they said it out loud.

[Edge-]

"You're wrong" is all Trump has to say about grocery prices going up, because the dumbass has nothing else, but lies.

Wait wait I know this one!



Funny how quickly history repeats itself.

[Rasulis]

Admitting 3%? Admitting food prices are going upwards quickly? I guess I owe them an apology. I wonder if it's because the people still there are lifers who believe in facts, or if they just have no reason to sucking up to the person who chose not to pay them. Either way, nothing in this is surprising except that they said it out loud.

I think statisticians owe no loyalty to anything other than altar of the mathematical god.

Consumer Price Index Summary (October 24, 2025)

The price of gasoline has been flat.

However, electricity is up 5.1%. Nearly double the inflation rate.

As we are entering the cold season, the price of natural gas is up 11.7%.

It's not good.

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Somewhat off-topic, but, as someone that needs to fly out of a major international airport here soon, fuck Trump and the GOP for not paying the TSA and ATC.

I think I've aged 5 years from the stress of needing to coordinate multiple people getting to the airport early enough to sit in line for potentially 3 hours

Flying to Singapore on the 11th and coming back on the 25th for Thanksgiving at home. Bad timing but it needs to be done.

By late Monday, 112 flights were delayed and one was canceled at SFO, according to FlightAware. That followed 272 delays and six cancellations on Sunday, and 179 delays on Saturday.

Yeah. Not good.

[Muzjhath]

The question was not if Elon was rich. The dude claimed he was the richest person in the history of the world. You do understand how dumb this is when he has to borrow money for any large scare purchases like Twitter?

Do you understand the amount of wealth past royalty or even modern Saudis are working with and no they don't pay taxes on it rofl.

Also that's not just how rich people money works. That is literally how money works in general in this country. Unless you are living pay check to pay check I really hope you aren't just sitting on a savings account and doing nothing with it. So thanks for the useless explanation on how the moronic credit system works. Not sure how many people here needed it.

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This is why the military has to take an oath to defend the constitution. Not saying they will actually do it, we haven't got to that point yet but they are supposed to be the final check against this, not the courts.

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By the military. The oath literally says to defend the constitution against all threats domestic and foreign and that is the first part of the oath before it says to follow the orders of the POTUS.

Again I'm not saying it would work out this way and they would do their job the swore an oath to do, but that is the final check when everything else is defying the constitution.

The military is deployed domestically because of a natural emergency from a nebulous leftwing threat

[DarkTZeratul]

The military is deployed domestically because of a natural emergency from a nebulous leftwing threat

Thus far they've not really been DOING much, though. The Republicans simply disregarding the election results entirely and declaring themselves still in power would likely be a step too far for many of them.

In any case, though, once we're at that point it kind of doesn't fucking matter what happens; that would be tantamount to the government declaring civil war on its own states and then we're so far beyond the pale it's kind of impossible to predict what will happen; none of it will be good, but I don't think you can assume that the military as a whole will or won't do anything given that it's made up of people from all across the country, of all political persuasions. And you can be damn sure the generals aren't going to be happy with the Trump administration simply seizing power.

Treating it as a foregone conclusion is quite literally the doomeriest of positions, because you're asserting that the administration literally cannot be stopped by anything. Unless you're openly advocating for violence (because there's literally no other choice at that point), it's not a position that really invites any kind of debate or discussion at all. You're giving up in advance and telling everyone that hope is dead and nothing matters we're all fucked no matter happens.

[gondrin]

Expelled by whom? The Marshals are a branch of the DOJ, and guess who controls that agency... And the sergeant at arms was appointed by McCarthy. What makes you think he'd comply?

The US Marshals are part of the Judiciary as they are an Article 3 branch enforcement mechanism. However, they can be used by the Justice Department and Congress for things if necessary. Their primary job is to protect the Judiciary. Everything else is secondary.

[Gabriel]

This is why the military has to take an oath to defend the constitution. Not saying they will actually do it, we haven't got to that point yet but they are supposed to be the final check against this, not the courts.

Actually, the constitution of the United States, and the existence of the 2nd amendment, implies that the people should just shoot politicians who ignore the constitution.

[gondrin]

Thus far they've not really been DOING much, though. The Republicans simply disregarding the election results entirely and declaring themselves still in power would likely be a step too far for many of them.

In any case, though, once we're at that point it kind of doesn't fucking matter what happens; that would be tantamount to the government declaring civil war on its own states and then we're so far beyond the pale it's kind of impossible to predict what will happen; none of it will be good, but I don't think you can assume that the military as a whole will or won't do anything given that it's made up of people from all across the country, of all political persuasions. And you can be damn sure the generals aren't going to be happy with the Trump administration simply seizing power.

Treating it as a foregone conclusion is quite literally the doomeriest of positions, because you're asserting that the administration literally cannot be stopped by anything. Unless you're openly advocating for violence (because there's literally no other choice at that point), it's not a position that really invites any kind of debate or discussion at all. You're giving up in advance and telling everyone that hope is dead and nothing matters we're all fucked no matter happens.

And to add onto this. And this isn't directed to you specifically.

This is why I keep bringing up things like, at that point in time that people are claiming, that the States themselves can decide they now no longer are part of the United States and the United States, as a singular nation, would no longer exist as the States themselves no longer have Representation that they voted in. It would literally be an illegitimate government. As much as it pains me to say it, this is the exact reason why the Southern States decided as they felt that their representation in Congress was no longer valid for their own reasons(such as wanting to keep slavery when the Federal Government wanted to outlaw it) so they now declared the US Federal Government illegitimate.

At that point, it doesn't matter what Trump or the GOP does, there will be mass violence and mass bloodshed. Because people will not tolerate it. And the last time I checked, neither Trump, anyone in the military, anyone in the administration nor the GOP is invulnerable. And the last time I checked, anywhere they can hide can be breached or broken into. Maybe not easily but it isn't immune from being targeted and broken into. Hell, this was the literal plot of the movie Civil War where a President forced himself into a 3rd term and the nation basically stopped existing at that point.

Because the thing that literally makes the United States Federal Government a thing and therefor the United States as a singular nation a thing, you know the US Constitution, is no longer valid. Because that document is literally the thing that gives Congress, the Presidency and the Judiciary its ability to do whatever.

And this is to all the doomerism, instead of wasting energy on fretting and worrying, use that energy and plan and prepare. Because it is always better to prepare for the worse and hope for the best instead of letting what happens just happen and complain about it later.

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Actually, the constitution of the United States, and the existence of the 2nd amendment, implies that the people should just shoot politicians who ignore the constitution.

Basically, it is there so that if in the event the government decides to not follow the will of the people, such as denying their Representation that they voted in, that they can basically call for a new government by force, if necessary.

This doesn't include the Presidency seeing as the people don't vote for the President.

[Gabriel]

Basically, it is there so that if in the event the government decides to not follow the will of the people, such as denying their Representation that they voted in, that they can basically call for a new government by force, if necessary.

This doesn't include the Presidency seeing as the people don't vote for the President.

It doesn't really say anything about voting. Just that you gotta have guns to stay free, ergo; if your freedom is threatened, you should use the gun.

[Twdft]

It doesn't really say anything about voting. Just that you gotta have guns to stay free, ergo; if your freedom is threatened, you should use the gun.

Who decides what counts as fredom threatened?

Germany has the following in its Basic Law article 20 (4)

All Germans shall have the right to resist any person seeking to abolish this constitutional order if no other remedy is available.

The original German seems a little more precise to me, I would translate it to "undertakes to abolish" instead of "seeking to".

[Gabriel]

Who decides what counts as fredom threatened?

Germany has the following in its Basic Law article 20 (4)

All Germans shall have the right to resist any person seeking to abolish this constitutional order if no other remedy is available.

The original German seems a little more precise to me, I would translate it to "undertakes to abolish" instead of "seeking to".

History /10characters.

[alach]

So trump decided to throw himself a lavish little party down in Mar-a-lago this halloween, on the same day food assistance ran out...

Trump slammed for lavish Gatsby-themed Halloween party as vital food funding lapses for millions of Americans

President Donald Trump has been blasted for attending a lavish Great Gatsby-themed Halloween party at Mar-a-Lago hours before a vital food assistance program relied upon by millions of Americans was about to lapse.

Some 42 million Americans rely on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program but because of the on-going government shutdown, funding for the critical scheme ended on November 1.

Meanwhile, Trump was pictured enjoying himself at the Halloween bash at his Palm Beach residence, surrounded by guests in Roaring 20s-style getup

Two things,
1) How very Epstienish...
2) and truly a man of the people that he promised he would be. Not at all the billionaire type that most of us expected him to be. /s

Hope every American that can will get out there and vote today to show the republicans you don't approve of their behaviour and give their nasty greaseball of a leader a metaphorical black eye.