Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Place wants to charge me $2 to read it.

US judge approves DOJ decision to drop Boeing criminal case

A U.S. judge on Thursday approved a Justice Department request to dismiss a criminal case against Boeing, allowing the planemaker to avoid prosecution on a charge stemming from two fatal 737 MAX plane crashes that killed 346 people, but he harshly criticized the government's decision.

Judge Reed O'Connor, of the U.S. District Court in Fort Worth, Texas, disagreed with the department that dismissing the case is in the public interest but said he had no authority to reject the decision. The deal with Boeing "fails to secure the necessary accountability to ensure the safety of the flying public," he noted.

And it gets worse.

Boeing in 2024 had agreed to plead guilty to a criminal fraud conspiracy charge after the fatal 737 MAX crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia in 2018 and 2019 but the Justice Department reversed course in May and dropped the demand Boeing plead guilty.

In September, O'Connor held a three-hour hearing to consider objections to the deal, questioning the government's decision to drop a requirement that Boeing face oversight from an independent monitor for three years and instead hire a compliance consultant. He heard anguished objections from relatives of some of those killed in the crashes in Indonesia in 2018 and Ethiopia in 2019 to the non-prosecution agreement.

O'Connor, in his ruling on Thursday, noted the government's position: "Boeing committed crimes sufficient to justify prosecution, failed to remedy its fraudulent behavior on its own during the (deferred prosecution agreement) which justified a guilty plea and the imposition of an independent monitor, but now Boeing will remedy that dangerous culture by retaining a consultant of its own choosing."

O'Connor said the families were correct in asserting that "this agreement fails to secure the necessary accountability to ensure the safety of the flying public."

The government argued Boeing has improved and the Federal Aviation Administration is providing enhanced oversight. Boeing and the government argued O'Connor had no choice but to dismiss the case.

O'Connor said in 2023 that "Boeing's crime may properly be considered the deadliest corporate crime in U.S. history."

This is not a case of not enough evidence, or no victims, or boys will be boys, or that's just locker-room talk, or "I never met the guy". This was a massive crime and Trump ordered the charges, for which Boeing admitted guilt, dropped anyhow. And everyone remembers how much Trump likes Boeing, as demonstrated in his first term.

This is open blatant corruption. if there is a reasonable alternative, which I highly doubt, I would love to hear it. But we all know nobody will come forth with one.

[Rasulis]

“If there are problems developing on the inflation side, it’s going to be a fair amount of time before we see that. That makes me even more uneasy.”

— Austan Goolsbee, President, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago

He was complaining that the lack of inflation data due to the ongoing U.S. government shutdown makes him “even more uneasy” about cutting rates.

[Kathandira]

I get the feeling that high interest rates make banks more money. Banks having more money, means more can be borrowed by the wealthy. The more they borrow, the less taxes they need to pay as it is debt. Feels pretty scummy if that is what is happening.

[gondrin]

I really have to wonder how long till states start putting in the infrastructure where the state collects the tax personally and then they send it to the federal government later. And then start doing that to divert the money to fund the federal programs the fed is supposed to cover before the federal government gets it so they can’t cancel or divert it.

The problem here is that no amount of state level infrastructure or laws passed would do much of much as the moneys that businesses withhold for federal taxes(from their employees and other sources) is remitted directly to the Federal IRS. For this to be the case, there would have to be a fundamental change on how taxes are withheld to begin with and the laws surrounding it. Otherwise, all that will happen is that the businesses(or independent contractors) would be the ones that are stuck in the middle and be punished by the federal IRS for tax evasion.

Other problem is that the IRS would never allow this to happen(nor should they). Seeing as during a Democrat administration, there would be states like Texas and Florida that would use it to their advantage constantly to pressure the federal government to do what those states wanted over the objections of what states like New York wanted.

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US judge approves DOJ decision to drop Boeing criminal case



And it gets worse.



This is not a case of not enough evidence, or no victims, or boys will be boys, or that's just locker-room talk, or "I never met the guy". This was a massive crime and Trump ordered the charges, for which Boeing admitted guilt, dropped anyhow. And everyone remembers how much Trump likes Boeing, as demonstrated in his first term.

This is open blatant corruption. if there is a reasonable alternative, which I highly doubt, I would love to hear it. But we all know nobody will come forth with one.

And this is ultimately one of the best and worst things about how the entire justice system works in the US.

This falls under the worst part of it as you have someone dead to rights but the actual authorities refuse to actually do anything about it. And no Judge can make them as they cannot make an entity sue another entity.

The most we can hope for is the families or people harmed by Boeing by these events sue them seeing as there is direct evidence that shows that those families were harmed.

[Breccia]

The most we can hope for is the families or people harmed by Boeing by these events sue them seeing as there is direct evidence that shows that those families were harmed.

This is my hope as well. If the judge was willing to say that on the record, that sounds like enough to win a lawsuit, in a fair trial of course.

[PfeffermintShake]

Some Trump toady just collapsed during some stupid Trump press conference.

Uhhh Thoughts and prayers. And maybe a metaphor for the US economy.




Raising the legs like metaphor for "TRUMP DEMAND LOWER PRICES THANKGIVING!"

[DarkTZeratul]

Some Trump toady just collapsed during some stupid Trump press conference.

Uhhh Thoughts and prayers. And maybe a metaphor for the US economy.




Raising the legs like metaphor for "TRUMP DEMAND LOWER PRICES THANKGIVING!"

Feels like those labels are both unnecessary and contradictory, since those things are actively destroying the economy instead of trying to help it.

[Edge-]

Some Trump toady just collapsed during some stupid Trump press conference.

Uhhh Thoughts and prayers. And maybe a metaphor for the US economy.




Raising the legs like metaphor for "TRUMP DEMAND LOWER PRICES THANKGIVING!"

I think this is a pretty good image. Hope the guy is alright, but I appreciate Donald slouched in his chair and the other guy looking over with a smirk.

[PfeffermintShake]

Uh... ironically it happened during a conference warning about the risks obesity and dementia. The Writers are really fucking with us.

[Gabriel]

Some Trump toady just collapsed during some stupid Trump press conference.

Uhhh Thoughts and prayers. And maybe a metaphor for the US economy.




Raising the legs like metaphor for "TRUMP DEMAND LOWER PRICES THANKGIVING!"

"God these peasants are trying to make me look bad"

[Kathandira]

Uh... ironically it happened during a conference warning about the risks obesity and dementia. The Writers are really fucking with us.

What a leader. Standing there gawking, then turning towards the cameras looking lost and confused.

Not any call for medical staff to come to the room, or any requests to give space, or to keep calm. Nothing. Just awkwardly standing around helpless.

[Edge-]

What a leader. Standing there gawking, then turning towards the cameras looking lost and confused.

Not any call for medical staff to come to the room, or any requests to give space, or to keep calm. Nothing. Just awkwardly standing around helpless.

Just for a point of comparison -



Notable differences include:

Obama was standing, capable of standing for long periods of time.

Obama noticed what was going on before she feinted.

He actually checked on her and helped mid-speech.

Ensured a staffer would get her assistance before continuing.

Made a joke in the process.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Just for a point of comparison -



Notable differences include:

Obama was standing, capable of standing for long periods of time.

Obama noticed what was going on before she feinted.

He actually checked on her and helped mid-speech.

Ensured a staffer would get her assistance before continuing.

Made a joke in the process.

If Trump does try and stand for a third term, and Obama does decide to stand against him as a result, then I guarantee that Trump won't agree to a single debate with him. I don't care how much of a narcissist he is, there's no way he thinks he's going to come out on top in that match up. No physically, not mentally, not linguistically. Not in terms of humour, or warmth, or empathy. Not on detail, not on vision.

That's assuming that he's even capable of standing at all by then.

[Dontrike]

What does Trump think about rising prices and "affordability"? Well he thinks beef is a beautiful word, and then tries to give his voters lies to eat instead of food or plans to fix it.

Donald Trump was forced to respond to an ardent supporter’s concerns over prices in America during a Fox News interview Wednesday.

Trump, speaking to Special Report anchor Bret Baier after giving an economic speech in Miami, Florida, said Republicans who lost Tuesday’s elections could have addressed the topic of affordability better. Baier then read to him a message from North Carolina retiree Regina Foley, a lifelong Republican who voted for Trump three times but is “not happy” about costs.

“I want the Republicans to keep control of Congress in 2026, but something HAS to be done fast!” she urged. “I don’t see the best economy right now—Wall Street numbers do not reflect my Main Street money. Please do something, President Trump.“

Baier then asked: “What do you say to Regina and people like her?”

“I do say this,” Trump, 79, replied. “Beef we have to get down. I think of groceries—you know, it’s an old fashion word but it’s a beautiful word. Beef we have to get down, but we’ve got prices way down and think of this: energy. She drives a car, probably, and her energy prices are way down. And energy is so all-encompassing. It’s so big that when energy goes down everything comes down. Everything follows it. And I have energy down to five or six-year lows now."

Baier, 55, then asked if Trump felt prices are coming down because of that.

“I think they’re coming down, but they’re down already,” he said. “I think the biggest problem is Republicans don’t talk about it. They don’t talk about the word ‘affordability,’ and the Democrats lie about it.”

Baier himself had told Fox & Friends earlier Wednesday that the election results in New York, New Jersey and Virginia should spur Republicans to re-examine that economic issue.

“This dichotomy between how Wall Street’s doing and how big business is doing and how you feel about it at home is something Republicans really have to look at closely,” Baier said.

He also agreed with Trump that him not being on the ballot hurt Republicans.

“He was not on the ballot and when he’s not, it doesn’t produce the same emotion,” Baier added. “But it does produce emotion on the other side—the anti-Trump voter—and they came out in droves as well.”

Trump has also acknowledged that the ongoing government shutdown—now the longest in history—is doing more harm than good to Republicans. The GOP controls both the House and the Senate.

Republicans keep pushing this idea that if Trump was on the ballot, you know the guy causing the mess and why people voted against republicans, that republicans would have won. Baier sounds about as stupid as Trump does.

[Rasulis]

DC sandwich thrower Sean Dunn found not guilty of assaulting federal agent

They should have tried him in Mississippi. Trying to get a unanimous guilty verdict in DC would be almost impossible. <s>

[Kathandira]

Just for a point of comparison -



Notable differences include:

Obama was standing, capable of standing for long periods of time.

Obama noticed what was going on before she feinted.

He actually checked on her and helped mid-speech.

Ensured a staffer would get her assistance before continuing.

Made a joke in the process.

I miss when there was genuine class in our leadership. Not "high society" nonsense with gold plated everything pretending to be classy.

[Rasulis]

More Than 1 Million Jobs Have Been Cut This Year, Report Says

Actual number around 1.1 million. Comparable to great recession years.

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I miss when there was genuine class in our leadership. Not "high society" nonsense with gold plated everything pretending to be classy.

We elected a guy with a golden toilet as our president. I am surprised that he hasn't melted the US gold reserve and used them to gild the walls of the Whitehouse. Inside and outside.

[Breccia]

“I think they’re coming down, but they’re down already,”

Troll fucking comment from IMPOTUS. No, they're not down. No, they're not coming down. Even his own WH staff says this.

Unrelated: Americans' household debt hits new record high, according to report

Americans’ household debt levels – including mortgages, car loans, credit cards and student loans – are now at a new record high, according to data released Wednesday by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Total household debt reached $18.59 trillion from July through September of this year, up by $197 billion from the previous quarter. Overall debt levels are up by $4.4 trillion since the end of 2019, just before the pandemic recession.

In a call with reporters Wednesday, researchers at the New York Fed said overall household balance sheets do remain “pretty strong,” though there are some signs of weakness among younger borrowers.

The report also shows Americans’ student loan debt hit a new record, at $1.65 trillion. A lot more borrowers are missing their payments, as well; nearly 10% of all student debt was reported as 90 days delinquent, or more.

The report also shows Americans’ outstanding credit card balances increased by $24 billion to $1.23 trillion in the third quarter of this year – an all-time high. Credit card debt is up nearly 6% compared to one year ago.

Auto loan balances held steady at $1.66 trillion, according to the report.

“While there is some distress at the household level – in line with that K-shaped economy where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer – the macro picture is fairly bright,” Rossman said.

When Trump called himself the King of Debt, y'all thought he meant his own.

[Odinfrost]

More Than 1 Million Jobs Have Been Cut This Year, Report Says

Actual number around 1.1 million. Comparable to great recession years.

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We elected a guy with a golden toilet as our president. I am surprised that he hasn't melted the US gold reserve and used them to gild the walls of the Whitehouse. Inside and outside.

He's trying to see if he can get himself a golden throne out of fort knox

[PhaelixWW]

More Than 1 Million Jobs Have Been Cut This Year, Report Says

Actual number around 1.1 million. Comparable to great recession years.

Uh, no. Not even close.