Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Trump's harshest critics remain the people he hired to work with him on purpose.



Called it.



I hope he's right. There needs to be actual consequences for Team Trump blatantly breaking the law and bringing criminal charges and lawsuits backed by nothing but bad faith and the rantings of an increasingly unstable senile retard. "Because I said so" is not a pressing, valid reason. I get that people still believe in Trump for...some reason, let's say "blatant racism" for now, but if they press his orders based on nothing other than their feelings to the extent that they're bringing baseless cases to court, they need more than "case dismissed". They need contempt charges, disbarment, or perjury charges thrown at them to remind them that's not how it works.

while i have zero confidence any Bar association is actually going to risk conservative anger and do something about all these insanely unqualified lawyers

it'd be fucking hilarious if the top lawyer in the country loses her law license while in the job lmao

[Tech614]

Why stop at health insurance? Quite frankly they're the lesser evil compared to healthcare execs.

They are one and the same. You take full state control over healthcare and there is no more insurance or healthcare execs. Go look at what a procedure like say an MRI costs in the US vs what it costs in a country with full state controlled healthcare like South Korea(and I mean cost if you're not a resident and have to pay out of pocket- its still vastly cheaper).

The current system is a scam.

[btlcryct]

So about that Comey arrest:

From CNN:


• Bombshell about grand jury: Interim US Attorney Lindsey Halligan took the stand briefly Wednesday, saying only two grand jurors reviewed the final indictment it handed up against former FBI Director James Comey. Comey’s attorney then argued Halligan’s testimony indicates, “there is no indictment” against his client.

Should it be tossed? A federal judge in Alexandria, Virginia, heard former Comey’s arguments for why his indictment should be dismissed. Comey’s attorney, Michael Dreeben, argued the case was brought at the direction of President Donald Trump and based on his animosity toward Comey. Prosecutor Tyler Lemons said that Halligan was “not a puppet” and the case was based on Comey’s alleged lie.

• The case: Comey is accused of lying during a 2020 hearing about whether he ever authorized leaks to the press and has pleaded not guilty. The judge is weighing whether Trump’s history of anti-Comey comments and a social media post asking Attorney General Pam Bondi for “justice” enough to show Comey was unfairly plucked for prosecution.


The full grand jury never reviewed the indictment it handed up against former FBI Director James Comey, interim US Attorney Lindsey Halligan conceded Wednesday.

In a shocking back and forth, prosecutors said that instead of presenting a new indictment to the grand jury after it declined to approve one of the counts, Halligan simply brought an altered version to the magistrate’s courtroom for the grand jury’s foreperson to sign.

“The new indictment wasn’t a new indictment,” prosecutor Tyler Lemons said, attempting to justify that it was only reviewed by the foreperson.

Judge Michael Nachmanoff quickly called Halligan, who was the only prosecutor who presented the case to the grand jury, to the lectern, asking her to confirm that the entire grand jury was never presented the altered indictment.

The judge started, “Am I correct -”

“No, you’re not,” Halligan interrupted. She said that there was one additional grand juror in the magistrate’s courtroom and quoted her back-and-forth with that judge.

“I’m familiar with the transcript,” Nachmanoff said. He then told her to sit down.

Calling Lemons back to the stand, Nachmanoff asked: Am I correct that the new document was never presented to the grand jury for approval?

Lemons carefully responded, “I wasn’t there, but that is my understanding.”

Comey’s attorney Michael Dreeben then argued to the judge that, given the testimony of the prosecutor, “no indictment was returned.”

“There is no indictment,” he said, adding that the statute of limitations has now elapsed against Comey on charges of lying to Congress.

Yea, that's not how this works. Seems pretty straight forward to be thrown out.

[DarkTZeratul]

I love the fact that Trump is trying to go on his revenge tour only to be stymied by the courts,

Including by multiple judges appointed by Trump.

[Glorious Leader]

If this comes off as ignorant, please let me know

But....

Why can't we meet in the middle on health care? It doesn't need to be run by the government, it can still be free market. It just needs to be regulated.

Require by federal law that all employers provide health care options. And cap the percentage of pay the employee contributes per pay period. This would add a lot of companies shopping for health care options, which if the free market does what is expected to, would foster competition and making room for more insurance providers.

If you ask me, if a company cannot afford to keep their employees healthy, they can't afford employees.

For a number of reasons typical market logic does not fair very well in healthcare. For one its not as if participants can simple exit it. Trying to treat it as the same thing as a video game console is stupid. Furthermore the emphasis on profit overrides the function of a healthcare system. Prevention is always more effective than treatment but treatment makes a bigger buck. If the system is run for profit then you get what you have now. Poor outcomes and insane costs. Indeed if a business was run in this fashion the management would be fired. No business would function with such gross waste and ineffeciency.

The ACA was as far as you could go to fix the broken system while maintaining private insurance. It was the middle ground. It was also a huge giveaway to those providers. Few people remember but the ACA was the heritage foundations blueprint for healthcare originally pitched by Mitt Romney as their answer to calls for socialized healthcare.

[Biglog]

The other big factor in US healthcare costs is lawsuits. When comparing costs to other countries that's the one thing that's significantly different in the US. Other countries have malpractice lawsuits, but the awards are far smaller than in the US. The money for the $30M+ settlements comes from somewhere, and indirectly it's the rest of us. That's why there are legal commercials every tv break. The big lawsuits have lead to expensive malpractice insurance that doctors and hospitals now have to carry, which gets passed on to everyone in higher medical bills.

But that's unlikely to change. The attorney lobby in the DC is one of the strongest lobby groups and would fight it tooth and nail.

[Draco-Onis]

At that point it all goes back to the needling. We should be commending Trump supporters of their ardent support for lgbtq+ people in leadership positions.


As a slight aside I could almost see them rationalizing it if he were the one receiving the bj in conservative’s weird homoerotic male dominance structure. But him performing it on another man? Submitting, as it were, to a queer man? Again, that’s just unthinkable!

You know what's damming? that every news organization and headline isn't talking about Bubba. All the main news networks are pretending this story doesn't exist left or right, this goes to show that journalism is dead when it comes to the main stream media.

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The other big factor in US healthcare costs is lawsuits. When comparing costs to other countries that's the one thing that's significantly different in the US. Other countries have malpractice lawsuits, but the awards are far smaller than in the US. The money for the $30M+ settlements comes from somewhere, and indirectly it's the rest of us. That's why there are legal commercials every tv break. The big lawsuits have lead to expensive malpractice insurance that doctors and hospitals now have to carry, which gets passed on to everyone in higher medical bills.

But that's unlikely to change. The attorney lobby in the DC is one of the strongest lobby groups and would fight it tooth and nail.

That's actually a myth pushed by insurance companies the data shows it only counts for less than 3% at most when it comes to healthcare cost. The big factor of the US healthcare system is that it is for profit there is no other problem, the system is designed to screw you when you need it and have no choice in the matter. That's why we are the country that invented the term medical bankruptcy.

[Valdhammer]

The other big factor in US healthcare costs is lawsuits. When comparing costs to other countries that's the one thing that's significantly different in the US. Other countries have malpractice lawsuits, but the awards are far smaller than in the US. The money for the $30M+ settlements comes from somewhere, and indirectly it's the rest of us. That's why there are legal commercials every tv break. The big lawsuits have lead to expensive malpractice insurance that doctors and hospitals now have to carry, which gets passed on to everyone in higher medical bills.

But that's unlikely to change. The attorney lobby in the DC is one of the strongest lobby groups and would fight it tooth and nail.

Tort law is also the closest thing Americans have to a social safety net. All of this is by design.

[Breccia]

BLS cancels job report for October, delays November.

"Based on what?"

On the reports being that bad.

[gondrin]

BLS cancels job report for October, delays November.

"Based on what?"

On the reports being that bad.

They are, however, releasing September. Which is already looking bad to begin with.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...3ceda29a&ei=18

[Edge-]

BLS cancels job report for October, delays November.

"Based on what?"

On the reports being that bad.

they're gonna send 3 children out in a trenchcoat to deliver the next report, aren't they

[Breccia]

Biden to attend Dick Cheney's funeral.

"Okay, but, why post here? There are two better threads for it."

Guess.

"Oh...Trump's not going, is he?"

He wasn't invited.

Let's be clear about this: Former living person Dick Cheney's family invited Joe Biden, someone with whom he had multiple major disagreements on major policy issues, such as how many Iraqis to kill without cause and whether enhanced interrogation was a sport or a hobby, and yet, Biden was invited to attend, and Biden accepted.

Trump was not invited.

UPDATE: When the WH was reached for comment, they said "Trump lowered the flags to half-mast". Which, you know, doesn't answer the question at all.

[gondrin]

Well, in something in the world of Trump that isn't politics, if Trump Media & Technology keeps dropping(stock ticker: DJT), it will literally be worth less than when before it launched its IPO.

As of now, it is at 10.29 per share. That is literally 0.35 when it launched 4 years ago. And it keeps dropping at 5% per day.

[Rasulis]

Comey indictment was never approved by grand jury

On Wednesday, prosecutor Lindsey Halligan admitted that a full grand jury never voted to approve the indictment of Comey, raising questions about whether the case is even legal. The stunning revelation came during a hearing meant to determine whether the case against Comey was a malicious prosecution. While under questioning from U.S. District Court Judge Michael Nachmanoff, Trump’s hand-selected attorney revealed the unorthodox way she secured an indictment.

The grand jury convened at the behest of President Donald Trump initially declined to indict Comey. Halligan told Nachmanoff she brought an altered indictment to the grand jury’s foreman and had them sign off on it without another vote from the full jury. Per the New York Times, Comey’s attorneys requested that the case be dismissed following the admission from Halligan.

Yikes.

[gondrin]

So, Trump is going to host Mamdani at the White House on Friday.

What can go wrong here.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...06a92fa0&ei=16

[Nilinor]

So, Trump is going to host Mamdani at the White House on Friday.

What can go wrong here.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...06a92fa0&ei=16

I say a 50/50 shot of having ICE agents behind the curtains and arrest him to have him deported to wherever they are sending them now.

[Odinfrost]

Comey indictment was never approved by grand jury



Yikes.

"The stunning revelation came during a hearing meant to determine whether the case against Comey was a malicious prosecution." is a really good way to say that, yes, it's a malicious prosecution.

[Slirith]

I say a 50/50 shot of having ICE agents behind the curtains and arrest him to have him deported to wherever they are sending them now.

Most likely scenario.

[s_bushido]

Comey indictment was never approved by grand jury

Yikes.

Honestly, I didn't have "Bondi gets disbarred while serving as AG" on my bingo card, but it seems like they're trying really hard to get that square.

[Elder Millennial]

Comey indictment was never approved by grand jury



Yikes.

I honestly don't understand how the judge didn't immediately and on the spot summarily dismiss the whole thing.

Like what is Comey in court for at this point? He is not even indicted.