Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Adam Jensen]

Jim Acosta kicked out of the Whitehouse. CNN credentials revoked.

Trump should be ashamed. He's a very rude person. The way he treats America is horrible. He's very horrible.

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Why do we allow this fucking moron do press conferences?

[Jtbrig7390]

I don't think he put his hands on her at all, just being stubborn. In fact, he was quite reserved; I don't see anything in that video that shows him being aggressive at all.

So you admit Trump and Sanders was lying about it then?

[Belize]

So you admit Trump and Sanders was lying about it then?

Of course he'll never admit to undermining his own position.

He'll beat around the bush and play semantics until playing the victim card at how unfair we are with him and he'll vanish until the next time a loser of a pundit whispers sweet nothings into his ears.

[Jtbrig7390]

Of course he'll never admit to undermining his own position.

He'll beat around the bush and play semantics until playing the victim card at how unfair we are with him and he'll vanish until the next time a loser of a pundit whispers sweet nothings into his ears.

Oh I know and it seems you are right cause hes already gone. The moment he said " don't think he put his hands on her" is the moment he lost this argument and I think he realized that.

[Dacien]

So you admit Trump and Sanders was lying about it then?

Oh Sanders is absolutely wrong about it. I hesitate to call anyone a liar any time any where as a general rule. There are a lot of outs for someone who might believe wrongly, or is convinced in their own head against all evidence otherwise, to throw around the accusation of lying. I've never accused anyone here of lying in all my time here. I may say that they're not being accurate, but I won't say they're lying.

You can be wrong and not lying at the same time.

It reminds me of the time one of my instructors gave bad information about something, and one of my classmates told him, "You're lying." He wasn't lying. He believed wrongly, and was convinced of it. I try not to step into that trap.

That said, is it much more likely that this is a calculated narrative knowingly put forth by a Press Secretary who knows it to be false than it is for her to simply be wrong? Absolutely. Still not going to call her a liar.

[Canpinter]

Oh Sanders is absolutely wrong about it. I hesitate to call anyone a liar any time any where as a general rule. There are a lot of outs for someone who might believe wrongly, or is convinced in their own head against all evidence otherwise, to throw around the accusation of lying. I've never accused anyone here of lying in all my time here. I may say that they're not being accurate, but I won't say they're lying.

You can be wrong and not lying at the same time.

It reminds me of the time one of my instructors gave bad information about something, and one of my classmates told him, "You're lying." He wasn't lying. He believed wrongly, and was convinced of it. I try not to step into that trap.

That said, is it much more likely that this is a calculated narrative knowingly put forth by a Press Secretary who knows it to be false than it is for her to simply be wrong? Absolutely. Still not going to call her a liar.

here is the thing, we have obvious video evidence easily available, no one can be in her position and be so dumb as to not know shes misinformed

[Edge-]

hes the thing, we have obvious video evidence easily available, no one can be in her position and be so dumb as to not know shes misinformed

Hey now. She's the White House Press Secretary with an office of staff and aides, how can you expect her to be prepared and factual with such meager resources?

[draynay]

That said, is it much more likely that this is a calculated narrative knowingly put forth by a Press Secretary who knows it to be false than it is for her to simply be wrong? Absolutely. Still not going to call her a liar.

Not a liar even when she lies, got it.

[Wyrt]

Oh Sanders is absolutely wrong about it. I hesitate to call anyone a liar any time any where as a general rule.

All she fucking does is lie.

[Canpinter]

Not a liar even when she lies, got it.

you don't know, she could have a massive brain tumor that makes her say the wrong thing without noticing. or she could be a mutant who's power lets her see into the star trek mirror universe without her knowing, so you cant say for sure shes intentionally lying.

[Bdatik]

That said, is it much more likely that this is a calculated narrative knowingly put forth by a Press Secretary who knows it to be false than it is for her to simply be wrong? Absolutely.

So, a lie.

Still not going to call her a liar.

Grow some balls for once, good lord.

[Jtbrig7390]

Oh Sanders is absolutely wrong about it.

Still not going to call her a liar.

So wait you admit shes wrong but won't admit shes lying. Her being WRONG is due to her LYING.....

Even you can't believe the bullshit you just said.

[Breccia]

Oh Sanders is absolutely wrong about it.

*ahem*

Really. Watch the divergent narratives begin to build in real time.

That both sides of this event are going to draw wildly different conclusions and build wildly different narratives?

You were saying? Something about being self-contradictory?

[Dacien]

So wait you admit shes wrong but won't admit shes lying. Her being WRONG is due to her LYING.....

I look at the video and I think she's absolutely wrong. What does she see in the video? That she saw Acosta's hand reach down to grab her arm? That he grabbed her hand when he reached for the microphone towards the end? And what does she consider "putting hands on" anyway? Seems pretty straightforward, but it can also mean to simply be physically confrontational with someone.

I would be accusing her of something based on something she independently interprets. Not going to do it.

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You were saying? Something about being self-contradictory?

Sanders is wrong and Acosta was out of line, I'm breaking with both sides here. Guilty.

[Jtbrig7390]

I look at the video and I think she's absolutely wrong. What does she see in the video? That she saw Acosta's hand reach down to grab her arm? That he grabbed her hand when he reached for the microphone towards the end? And what does she consider "putting hands on" anyway? Seems pretty straightforward, but it can also mean to simply be physically confrontational with someone.

I would be accusing her of something based on something she independently interprets. Not going to do it.

And her interpretation leads to her lying.

You can't say shes wrong and say you don't think shes lying. That's not how it works in the real world sorry.

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Sanders is wrong and Acosta was out of line, I'm breaking with both sides here. Guilty.

Well you are right about Sanders being wrong, but the rest is bullshit. Its you trying to do the "both sides at fault" stick you do.

[Endus]

I would be accusing her of something based on something she independently interprets. Not going to do it.

When your interpretation of events is at odds with what actually happened, and what actually happened is clearly visible on video tape, you have two real options; either you're delusional and losing the capacity to distinguish between your hallucinations and reality, or you're lying.

Barring literal mental illness, we have a word for when someone's interpretation of events is different from what happened. That word is "lie".

[Breccia]

Its you trying to do the "both sides at fault" stick you do.

It's admission of trolling. Reported as such.

On topic: WHCA has, of course, condemned the act and calls for its reversal.

In a fictitious statement, the WHCA said "it's clear Acosta was trying to grab her by the pussy. Therefore, he absolutely belongs in the White House."

[Pendulous]

There really is a tweet for everything

[Jtbrig7390]

There really is a tweet for everything

Its like we are in the fucken twilight zone.

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And now we have Sanders on the official press sec Twitter account doubling down on her lie with posting an edited video from a conspiracy guy to "prove" it. You just can't make this shit up. What the fuck is going on in America?

edit: forgot the link https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1060374680991883265