Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Nymrohd]

As someone living in germany, this statement is absolutely mindboggling.

Especially adding that Germany is ALSO a federal state where the different parts only really became a country relatively recently in historical terms and actually expanded far more recently than the US is. But this lack of basic bureaucracy would never happen there.

[Mayhem]

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ok fine, "EU-lite" or "Eu from the late 1700s" - the point of the comparison was broad, in that the US is a coalition of independent mini-fiefdoms unified under common cause but not expressly ruled by singular principle of law.

this also address your other question: there isn't a system in place for the federal government to communicate to states who is or isn't a citizen, nor of states to check with each other (or the federal government) on who is or isn't a citizen.

basically in the US when you're born the hospital gives you a state issued birth certificate, and that's your "proof" of citizenship operating under the assumption that if you're born in the US you're a citizen by default.
if you move from one state to the next, in order to register as a citizen of the that state you have to provide your birth certificate from the previous state to prove you're a US citizen.

Wow, that's incredibly impractical. And US citizens think that's awesome?

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The error edge described was a rare fluke and was caught before it was an issue.

And I can guarantee you that no hand-wringing conservative voter who’s looking on Trump’s crackdowns with approval know or even care a single iota about the ins and outs of how new citizens gain the ability to vote.

No doubt, I bet our "conservatives" would be happy if we had your system.

[LeGin v4]

The US has seized a Venezuelan oil tanker for "a very good reason"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy07...a63027605#post

"As you probably know, we've just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela, a large one... the largest one ever seized actually... you'll be seeing that later and we'll be talking about it later with some other people,"

[Kaleredar]

The US has seized a Venezuelan oil tanker for "a very good reason"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy07...a63027605#post

"As you probably know, we've just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela, a large one... the largest one ever seized actually... you'll be seeing that later and we'll be talking about it later with some other people,"

The trump mad-lib of “vague reference to something happening, declare said thing is the most exceptional version of that thing, dismissive reference to a nebulous group of other people” continues I see.

[draynay]

“A good reason” wouldn’t be convincing, but a “very” good reason sounds totally legit.

[Rustedsaint]

The US has seized a Venezuelan oil tanker for "a very good reason"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy07...a63027605#post

"As you probably know, we've just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela, a large one... the largest one ever seized actually... you'll be seeing that later and we'll be talking about it later with some other people,"

Because it was filed with liquid fently checkmate libs, living rentfree something or other.

[LeGin v4]

The trump mad-lib of “vague reference to something happening, declare said thing is the most exceptional version of that thing, dismissive reference to a nebulous group of other people” continues I see.

Asked whether by a reporter if the US will keep the oil on the tanker, Trump tells the reporter: "Follow the tanker."

lol

Follow the tanker, folks

[Edge-]

I don't understand the difference. Is the federal government prohibited from telling state governments about who has just become a citizen? Do they have to keep it a secret from state governments for reasons?

??? It's unnecessary and the states already do a good job of confirming voting eligibility. You need to prove citizenship when registering to vote.

I do get that. What I don't get is how someone can get registered without anyone checking for citizenship. Edge explained that somehow the DMV can register people without checking citizenship, which does, but also doesn't answer my question.

That's not what happened, nor what I described. There was a glitch, not "DMV registered without checking citizenship".

[Malkiah]

Wow, that's incredibly impractical. And US citizens think that's awesome?

yeah it's very stupid, and i don't think any US citizens think it's awesome so much as most US citizens don't really think of it at all.
it's one of those things where it doesn't come up or interfere with you unless you happen to come up against a problem, in which case it can be a whole thing.

for example: if you change your name, it's.... jfc a whole god damn thing.
you need to go through a local court hearing in the state in which you are currently a legal resident, and go through a big long process to get the state to accept your name change.
then you need to get your state name change documents and send a petition to the state you were born (if it's not the state you're in) to get a reissue of your birth certificate with your new name.
then you need to take that new birth certified + state documents and send to the social security administration to get a reissue of your social security card with your new name.
once you have your birth cert and SS card then you can apply for a driver's license, and when you do that you can register to vote.

if you're like me and you lost your wallet while driving across the country to a new state during a move, you have to coordinate between 3 different states to get like 8 different types of documents and jump through an insane number of hoops at each step to provide proof of your ID to get all of this done, it can take months.

[Breccia]

“I have determined that the following records are subject to a constitutionally based claim of executive privilege."

Admitting communications involved with Jan 6th are part of official White House business is a bold move. Honestly, the fact that he asserted such privilege itself should be used as evidence against him.

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"potential noncitizens"?

Rampant baseless claims of election fraud. All part and parcel of the "US is going full Nazi" experience.

[Gorsameth]

America just tries really really hard to pretend like the government doesn't know where its citizens live and so cannot do the thing that every single other democracy in the world has managed, of sending a ballot to everyone who is allowed to vote.

Having to pretend to sign up to let the government know your a citizen who should vote is just so funny when you think about it for more then 2 seconds.

[Kaleredar]

America just tries really really hard to pretend like the government doesn't know where its citizens live and so cannot do the thing that every single other democracy in the world has managed, of sending a ballot to everyone who is allowed to vote.

Having to pretend to sign up to let the government know your a citizen who should vote is just so funny when you think about it for more then 2 seconds.

If it went directly to every citizen then more people would vote.

Guess which party doesn’t like people voting?

[gondrin]

Admitting communications involved with Jan 6th are part of official White House business is a bold move. Honestly, the fact that he asserted such privilege itself should be used as evidence against him.

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Rampant baseless claims of election fraud. All part and parcel of the "US is going full Nazi" experience.

Honestly, there should be a challenge to the idea of Executive Privilege for domestic matters in the first place. Challenge it on the premise that the President can do their job even if all communications they have, outside of international relations, would be public domain and can absolutely be used as evidence.

The whole point of Executive Privilege is so that international communications that would deal with a sensitive nature, like getting negotiations for a treaty or communications dealing with military actions or something similar, would be able to go forward without someone else throwing a wrench in them when they are being fleshed out. Or in the case of a military action, the information doesn't get in the hands of the party the action is being committed against.

Otherwise, when it comes to domestic matters, everything the President says and does should be a matter of public record seeing as the people have a right to know what the President is doing.

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America just tries really really hard to pretend like the government doesn't know where its citizens live and so cannot do the thing that every single other democracy in the world has managed, of sending a ballot to everyone who is allowed to vote.

Having to pretend to sign up to let the government know your a citizen who should vote is just so funny when you think about it for more then 2 seconds.

Because this is a little known feature of how the government works. None, and I do mean this literally, of the agencies are allowed to talk to each other due to privacy laws.

If the Federal Government wants to get the address of someone, they have to first go to the State agency that deals with said information. That State agency might have to deal with laws pertaining of releasing information to 3rd parties where they aren't allowed to do without a court order or permission from said owner of that information.

Yes, you can get the name and address from pretty much anyone in an area in the United States just by going down to the local city hall or other local agencies handled on dealing with this stuff and pulling up deed records but they will want to know why you are pulling said records and there is usually a payment involved.

The irony is the same people now cheering on what is going on are the same ones that absolutely railed on the idea that there should be a national database of anything as they were afraid that the Federal Government would use it to "harm citizens". Guess they were right after all.

[Belize]

America just tries really really hard to pretend like the government doesn't know where its citizens live and so cannot do the thing that every single other democracy in the world has managed, of sending a ballot to everyone who is allowed to vote.

Having to pretend to sign up to let the government know your a citizen who should vote is just so funny when you think about it for more then 2 seconds.

It's the same shit they pull with taxes and the IRS. The government knows how much you owe in taxes, but it'd cut into the profits of TurboTax & co if they just told you. Also lets them jail poor people if they make a mistake.

Voting is the same way, there's a bribe lobby group somewhere I'm sure that has a hand in it, AND it lets them jail poor people/minorities if they make a mistake.

[Iphie]

Asked whether by a reporter if the US will keep the oil on the tanker, Trump tells the reporter: "Follow the tanker."

lol

Follow the tanker, folks

So...we're one step away from Letters of marque? Bananarepublic.

[Mayhem]

??? It's unnecessary and the states already do a good job of confirming voting eligibility. You need to prove citizenship when registering to vote.

It's unnecessary to auto-register your citizens at birth/when becoming citizens so they are eligible to vote? Well, I disagree.

That's not what happened, nor what I described. There was a glitch, not "DMV registered without checking citizenship".

That glitch being able to happen is because the DMV can register people without providing proof of citizenship. I'm actually mind-boggled, in 2025.

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Rampant baseless claims of election fraud. All part and parcel of the "US is going full Nazi" experience.

No no, that's probably a language barrier issue here, I'm talking about the bureaucracy behind it, literally the action of finding "potential noncitizens". Because that either says it is possible to register without showing proof of citizenship and that is an issue that should be dealt with, or they are looking into citizens info without cause which should be illegal.

Which of these two is it?

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yeah it's very stupid, and i don't think any US citizens think it's awesome so much as most US citizens don't really think of it at all.
it's one of those things where it doesn't come up or interfere with you unless you happen to come up against a problem, in which case it can be a whole thing.

for example: if you change your name, it's.... jfc a whole god damn thing.
you need to go through a local court hearing in the state in which you are currently a legal resident, and go through a big long process to get the state to accept your name change.
then you need to get your state name change documents and send a petition to the state you were born (if it's not the state you're in) to get a reissue of your birth certificate with your new name.
then you need to take that new birth certified + state documents and send to the social security administration to get a reissue of your social security card with your new name.
once you have your birth cert and SS card then you can apply for a driver's license, and when you do that you can register to vote.

if you're like me and you lost your wallet while driving across the country to a new state during a move, you have to coordinate between 3 different states to get like 8 different types of documents and jump through an insane number of hoops at each step to provide proof of your ID to get all of this done, it can take months.

Meanwhile over here if I lost my passport 3 days before travel I'd get a new one within 24 hours sent to my home. All done online.

Thanks for the information. I'm baffled.

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The irony is the same people now cheering on what is going on are the same ones that absolutely railed on the idea that there should be a national database of anything as they were afraid that the Federal Government would use it to "harm citizens". Guess they were right after all.

The irony is that private business in the US has more and ready available information about each citizen than the government. So the national database exists, it's just privatized, includes children and is sold for profit.

[DarkTZeratul]

No no, that's probably a language barrier issue here, I'm talking about the bureaucracy behind it, literally the action of finding "potential noncitizens". Because that either says it is possible to register without showing proof of citizenship and that is an issue that should be dealt with, or they are looking into citizens info without cause which should be illegal.

It is generally not possible to register to vote without proving citizenship, but since people are not infallible mistakes are sometimes (re: very very very rarely) made. Also, non-citizens sometimes (re: very very very rarely) fraudulently register to vote.

[thilicen]

Ironically, Trump's warmongering in Venezuela just makes the FIFA peace prize a lot more appropriate, with FIFA being one of the most corrupt organizations in the galaxy and all.

[Flarelaine]

It's the same shit they pull with taxes and the IRS. The government knows how much you owe in taxes, but it'd cut into the profits of TurboTax & co if they just told you. Also lets them jail poor people if they make a mistake.

While my government has been a steaming pile of crap for the last decade and a half, there's something they got right: I absolutely need not worry about income tax. Employers automatically deduct the percentage and have to do the filing as well if I ask them to. But there's no need, because the tax office also does the filing. I only need to bother if I want some deduction and even then only once if it applies to multiple years (such as for raising children, but then that's something the census office tells the tax office anyway).

And this is from the underperforming, absolute butthole of the EU.

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Ironically, Trump's warmongering in Venezuela just makes the FIFA peace prize a lot more appropriate, with FIFA being one of the most corrupt organizations in the galaxy and all.

Right up there with the IOC.

[Jtbrig7390]

This truly does sum up 2025 in a nutshell.

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