Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Valdhammer]

There is and has only ever been 1 metric that counts, people's wallet. (not the economy because that is no longer tied to what the wallet of John Doe experiences).

Inflation cost the Democrats 2024, even if the US did better in handling it then the rest of the world, and Trumponics will cost the Republicans 2026 and 2028.

Yes and no. People’s economic condition will motivate people to vote, but who they vote for will depend upon who they blame for their economic situation.

Some on the left and in this thread believe that they will blame Trump and the Republicans because they are currently in power. That’s the logical thing to do. And that may even prove true to some extent. At the same time I personally know loads of people who have lost their jobs during 2025 and who are blaming anyone and anything except Trump and Republicans. Earlier this week I had a neighbor tell me all of the problems we are having today started under Obama and it will take Republicans a few more years before we really start to see things change for the better.

This sort of fantastical reasoning will only become more widespread as more and more media sources become controlled by Trump loyalists.

Despite this, I still think that unless there is mass scale interference with the 2026 elections, Democrats will win the House. The Senate will be much trickier though.

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There is and has only ever been 1 metric that counts, people's wallet. (not the economy because that is no longer tied to what the wallet of John Doe experiences).

Inflation cost the Democrats 2024, even if the US did better in handling it then the rest of the world, and Trumponics will cost the Republicans 2026 and 2028.

If people's wallets were all that ever mattered, no American would ever vote anything but Democrat.

Democrats have been, since Nixon, the only party that's benefited the average citizen's wallet positively. Reagan onward, Republicans have always cost the working classes (everyone but the top 5% or so).

The reality is that hate and ignorance are also strong motivators in the electoral process. Republicans will gleefully vote for a guy (Trump, specifically, in all three elections he's been in) despite the negative impact on their wallets, and because Trump points a finger at the people those ignorant fuckwits hate and says the bigoted shit they want to hear about victimizing those people.

[btlcryct]

If people's wallets were all that ever mattered, no American would ever vote anything but Democrat.

Democrats have been, since Nixon, the only party that's benefited the average citizen's wallet positively. Reagan onward, Republicans have always cost the working classes (everyone but the top 5% or so).

The reality is that hate and ignorance are also strong motivators in the electoral process. Republicans will gleefully vote for a guy (Trump, specifically, in all three elections he's been in) despite the negative impact on their wallets, and because Trump points a finger at the people those ignorant fuckwits hate and says the bigoted shit they want to hear about victimizing those people.

I read his post as when it comes to financial stuff, 99% of the population only cares about their wallet. Not overall that's all they care about. Average Joe doesn't care about the GDP or the stock market. Other than maybe in a 401K, they don't have a stock portfolio. They're feeling it at the gas pump, at stores and paying their bills. Beyond that, I do agree. Trumpers will willingly pay more for things if they can hate people not like them.

[Gorsameth]

If people's wallets were all that ever mattered, no American would ever vote anything but Democrat.

Democrats have been, since Nixon, the only party that's benefited the average citizen's wallet positively. Reagan onward, Republicans have always cost the working classes (everyone but the top 5% or so).

The reality is that hate and ignorance are also strong motivators in the electoral process. Republicans will gleefully vote for a guy (Trump, specifically, in all three elections he's been in) despite the negative impact on their wallets, and because Trump points a finger at the people those ignorant fuckwits hate and says the bigoted shit they want to hear about victimizing those people.

You ascribing to much intelligence to the average 'undecided' voter.

'Do I feel like my bills are higher then they were 2 years ago? If yes vote for opposing party'.

Whether one party is better then the other is to high thinking for them, if they did that then as you correctly say, no one would ever vote Republican.
And no I am not talking about the Republican or Democrat voter, those blocks will always vote for their own side no matter what, but they only make up some 30% of the country each.

[fwc577]

And Trump had poorly performing rallies and the “red wave” fizzled and the Republican odds weren’t looking great going into 2024 and yet now they’ve got free reign to exploit the US and its people as much as they want.

I'm not sure what's difficult to understand here. There is a big difference between polls, rallies, and actual election turnout.

You seem to understand that much based on your reply, you just seem to be having trouble putting this thinking into perspective.

Republicans / Trump have been performing VERY POORLY in special elections over the last 60 days. There are many factors for this, including the most important factor, the state of the US economy, which is in the absolute shitter at the moment.

This isn't about polling data. This isn't about rally turnout. This is about actual election results, which are speaking a tune that indicates Republicans are going to have a BAD 2026.

[En Sabah Nur]

This is why you don't live tweet these things, folks.

[Edge-]

This is why you don't live tweet these things, folks.

they detained someone under suspicion and then released them after questioning

unsurprising racist nazi fuckstick grandpa doesn't know what the fuck is going on

[En Sabah Nur]

they detained someone under suspicion and then released them after questioning

unsurprising racist nazi fuckstick grandpa doesn't know what the fuck is going on

There seems to be an increasing number of things he has absolutely no idea about. Especially things he absolutely should know about.

Maybe this is his approach to governance, too, which would explain a shit happens" mentality.

Trump on the shooting at Brown University: “Things can happen”

[Breccia]

Putting that percentage increase on there seems like a deliberate twist of the knife, to be honest.

FOX News might be cherry picking by using 2020, but there's no good way to interpret these results. There was an outbreak in 2015 that made all the headlines with 100+ cases, with 2015's total being under 200 even with that. Trump personally oversaw 10x that value.

Trump's own CDC shows in literal graphic detail that the highest year since 2000, other than this one, is 2019. Trump owns three of the worst five since 2000 and has been intentionally making things worse.

[Draco-Onis]

FOX News might be cherry picking by using 2020, but there's no good way to interpret these results. There was an outbreak in 2015 that made all the headlines with 100+ cases, with 2015's total being under 200 even with that. Trump personally oversaw 10x that value.

Trump's own CDC shows in literal graphic detail that the highest year since 2000, other than this one, is 2019. Trump owns three of the worst five since 2000 and has been intentionally making things worse.

Frankly I think the numbers are worse since the CDC is gutted and Trump's motto is if you don't count it then it doesn't exist (learned from COVID). The measles problem is probably significantly worse not to mention whatever other pestilence they have unleashed.

[PhaelixWW]

Frankly I think the numbers are worse since the CDC is gutted and Trump's motto is if you don't count it then it doesn't exist (learned from COVID). The measles problem is probably significantly worse not to mention whatever other pestilence they have unleashed.

I don't think there's a single thing that Trump, RFK Jr., or the CDC could do to keep local hospitals from reporting accurate measles numbers. Those hospitals aren't about to fuck around with it. Measles isn't a novel virus, and it can't be brushed off as "just the flu" by people who want to serve an idiotic political agenda.

So unless the CDC were to actually outright lie, which I can't see, I imagine those particular numbers are about as accurate as they ever are.

[gondrin]

There seems to be an increasing number of things he has absolutely no idea about. Especially things he absolutely should know about.

Maybe this is his approach to governance, too, which would explain a shit happens" mentality.

Trump on the shooting at Brown University: “Things can happen”

Donald "Things can happen" Trump.

[Dontrike]

And the latest focus of Trump and his team isn't about affordability, 'cause that's a hoax, and people being unable to afford healthcare soon. Nope, it's about Trump making his "I'm clearly a tyrant," archway. Remember, Trump thinks your kids should have less during Christmas as long as he gets to have his little pedophile pedestal.

Amid concerns that he has failed to address a worsening affordability crisis, with health insurance premiums about to spike dramatically for over 20 million Americans, Donald Trump revealed on Sunday that his domestic policy chief’s main priority is building a triumphal arch for Washington DC.

Speaking at a White House holiday party, the president praised Vince Haley, his former speechwriter and a longtime aide to Newt Gingrich who now leads the White House Domestic Policy Council.

“Vince is unbelievable on policy,” Trump said. “And we have a policy thing that’s going to be unbelievable happening.”

The nature of that policy initiative might indeed be hard to believe for Americans struggling to make ends meet.

“I put Vince in charge of the triumphal arc,” Trump said, using the French word for arch. “We’re building an arc, like the Arc de Triumph,” the president added, mixing English and French, in remarks shared on social media by the White House.

“We’re building it by the Arlington Bridge, the Arlington cemetery, opposite the Lincoln Memorial. You could say Jefferson, Washington, everything, ‘cause they’re all right there,” Trump continued, referring to prominent monuments in the nation’s capital dedicated to three of his predecessors.

“And it’s something that is so special. It will be like the one in Paris,” Trump said, referring to the Arc de Triomphe, constructed between 1806 and 1836 at the western end of the Champs-Élysées, honoring those who died fighting for France in the French revolutionary and Napoleonic wars.

“But to be honest with you,” Trump said, the new arch Haley will be in charge of constructing will be much better than the one Napoleon Bonaparte ordered up. “It blows it away. Blows it away in every way.”

According to the president, his domestic policy chief was stunned by a model of the triumphal arch the first time he saw it.

“Vince came in one day and his eyes were teeming,” the president said, apparently reaching for the word “beaming” in his memory and not finding it.

“I mean, he couldn’t believe how beautiful it was. He saw it, and he wanted to do that,” Trump said.

“That’s your primary thing,” the president said to Haley. “There is nothing that can compete with that.”

Americans struggling with increased costs due to tariffs imposed by Trump on imported goods – or those whose health insurance premiums are set to double or triple in the coming weeks – might disagree with the president’s claim that the construction of an Arc de Triomphe knockoff should be the main focus of his chief domestic policy adviser.

[Edge-]

“I put Vince in charge of the triumphal arc,” Trump said, using the French word for arch. “We’re building an arc, like the Arc de Triumph,” the president added, mixing English and French, in remarks shared on social media by the White House.

very "america first"

[DarkTZeratul]

You ascribing to much intelligence to the average 'undecided' voter.

'Do I feel like my bills are higher then they were 2 years ago? If yes vote for opposing party'.

Basically, this. A lot of people voted for Trump 2.0 because they felt they were better off under Trump 1.0 than they were under Biden. And, for many of them, this was true! It's just that this was true largely because Trump was coasting on Obama's economy and Biden was busy digging us out of a post-pandemic hole. And while those people who understood this likely did not for Trump, a great many people didn't look or think any more deeply into it than "things were better in 2019."

[s_bushido]

I'd almost forgotten about that stupid-ass arch he wants to build. Between this, the ballroom, and his history of slapping his name (and gaudy gold leaf) on everything, he must think that simply having more stuff with his name attached to it means he's leaving behind a good legacy.

[Gorsameth]

I'd almost forgotten about that stupid-ass arch he wants to build. Between this, the ballroom, and his history of slapping his name (and gaudy gold leaf) on everything, he must think that simply having more stuff with his name attached to it means he's leaving behind a good legacy.

Yes he does.
He walks around and sees the great monuments of old and thinks that the great men whom they represent are great because they have monuments, instead of realising they had monuments build in their honour because they were great.

Just like a child would.

[Draco-Onis]

I don't think there's a single thing that Trump, RFK Jr., or the CDC could do to keep local hospitals from reporting accurate measles numbers. Those hospitals aren't about to fuck around with it. Measles isn't a novel virus, and it can't be brushed off as "just the flu" by people who want to serve an idiotic political agenda.

So unless the CDC were to actually outright lie, which I can't see, I imagine those particular numbers are about as accurate as they ever are.

Local hospitals are going out of business more and more each day, the people that follow the anti Vaxx agenda are extremists. I saw an interview of the parents of the girl in Texas I think that died of measles, they said it was a good thing and wouldn't do anything different. Those people will not report cases if their kids get it and won't go to hospital until it's too late which is why I think the numbers are underreported.

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Yes he does.
He walks around and sees the great monuments of old and thinks that the great men whom they represent are great because they have monuments, instead of realising they had monuments build in their honour because they were great.

Just like a child would.

It's only a matter of time before he builds himself a golden statue if not here in Israel.

[PhaelixWW]

Local hospitals are going out of business more and more each day, the people that follow the anti Vaxx agenda are extremists. I saw an interview of the parents of the girl in Texas I think that died of measles, they said it was a good thing and wouldn't do anything different. Those people will not report cases if their kids get it and won't go to hospital until it's too late which is why I think the numbers are underreported.

Mmm, which is why I added the "as they ever are" bit. Notably, what you're describing has nothing to do with the current administration or the CDC.

[Rustedsaint]

Any bets on him demolishing another monument to make room for his “arc” only for it to be hit by delays/firings till he out of office(one way or another)